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Who is excited? I sure am. Good job Sashi!






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RT subject to change IMO, but wow. That's spicy and it's the kind of spicy that I like!

I sense power running right up the gut with this build. And a lot of it, too.

Coleman has a legit shot. He did OK as a rookie. He could see significant improvement. Greco and even Erving might challenge. . . . I'd say it looks good. And we have depth.

Drango was 78 if I recall and Greco 84?

Didn't Coleman only play in the final?

I really like the additions today. Zeitler was my #1 hope. So glad we signed him

He played in 7 games in 2016.

I'd need to check, maybe. Listening to the 1-3pm show on 850am today I know the hosts were fairly confident Coleman has a shot at being RT. I know one of our RTs got a decent grade from PFF and played 3 or 4 games??

Just for reference, Erving was the only other Tackle for the Browns with a grade...39.6


Drango at OG was 72.2, Greco was 81.5, and Bailey was 53.1

Going to be really fun watching Crow and Duke run with some holes in front of them.

As a RT?????

That I don't know. I do not remember him playing that much. Maybe he saw action on field goal unit. His stats just shows 7 games played 0 starts.

Okay, thanks.

I am not positive, but I thought he only got in at RT in that last game. I could be wrong.

But whatever........our OL is certainly a lot better today than it was yesterday.

Got the best Center and Guard available? Ill take that! Not retaining Mack and Schwartz last year sort of hurts now. Our line might of been Cowboy-esqe!

Not a stat guy, but weren't almost all of Crow's big runs up the middle??

The problem is Hue doesn't know how to run the ball.

The myth of Schwartz's pro-bowl or HOF level play escalates daily it seems. . . I wanted Schwartz to stay, I think it was mishandled when he left ... But I don't think in the long run we're missing him that much. His play last year was rated a couple points higher than Coleman according to PFF. I'd have to look it up to be sure.

Come on! How can you compare him to Coleman, when the latter played less than one full game at RT?

People go off on mac [rightfully so] for outrageous comments, but comments just as outrageous [on the homer side] are made constantly and no one bats an eye.

Thank you. I batted an eye but you took care of it.

I'd like to know how PFF compares the ratings they gave us to other OL's around the league. The numbers they gave our guys mean nothing to me without some comparison. Not saying it's BS, just that I don't anything about it.

This is more like it. Should help the points and TOP if we get solid improvement out of this upgrade. Can we be tougher in our division? I think we can, I think we can . . . .

Champion my causes? I don't even know what you mean.

I was simply saying that it's not correct to try and compare Coleman to Schwartz.

RT and OC are still ?? until we see how Tretter / Reiter / Coleman / Erving / Drango / Greco compete for roles and perform I guess. We made some good strides yesterday but it needs to translate to better play on the field. Hell, if we pick up an UDFA OL who ends up starting at a decent level I'd be happy. Don't care who they are as long as they give us performance and attitude.

From yesterday's conversation I thought somebody mentioned he played 7 games - I just looked it up. He took 62 snaps.

Anyway the point is not to compare Schwartz to Coleman. And maybe mentioning Coleman distracted from my point. The point is that while I thought it was a mistake to not resign him, he is not the same caliber as Mack, not close. AND without the same rash of injuries as we struggled with last year, this year I expect our RT play to be competent without Schwartz.

Maybe because our defense gives up points like candies and we're usually playing from behind?

So then where did you come up with him grading out better than Schwartz?

this was a smart move by our FO. OL have been tough to draft recently due to the spread O in college ... we basically got proven commodities. (plus, this year's draft is not good at the OL spots)

So we can now totally focus on DB, QB, and skill guys

I didn't say that. Please show me where I said something that could even be twisted out of context to suggest that I said that......

My bad. You did say that Schwartz rated a couple points better than Coleman. I appoligize.

No problem, and I muddied my message when I mentioned Coleman.... Again - my intended point wasn't that Coleman is good or going to be a future star. My point being that while I like Schwartz, I just don't think it was such a cardinal sin when we didn't resign him. A mistake yes. Something that should be branded on this FO and never to be forgotten and always to be regurgitated anytime a poster doesn't like a move? No. . . . and truth be told we don't know all the facts about that situation.

I happen to like PFF a lot and place a lot of credit in their reviews.... Schwartz played a full season which counts for a lot, he's more than solid/average. But saying the Browns would have the same OL play as the Cowboys because of Schwartz being here ... I disagree.

Hue doesn't run....D sucks, down 14+, and your C stinks, LG hurt, RG hurt....he doesn't run, he couldn't do anything really....AND how many QBs did we go thru....last year was last year, hopefully we won't have injuries AGAIN...what water is J Thomas on.....GO Browns!!!!

JT drinks Talent Water.

Fair enough. However, there were times where it was close and we wouldn't run the ball.

Crow needs to get the ball 20+ times a game. I am not sure Hue can do that. I hope so.

I think the coaching staff made plenty of game management and game call mistakes last year. I am certain it chaffed Hue and I think Hue's honest enough to accept the responsibility. I also think some of the cuteness was trying to compensate for a weak roster. . . . . The thing I am personally most certain of is that Hue really, really, really wants to win (or hates losing - take your pick). I think with the OL - there is every chance Crow will carry the rock a lot. Duke too. Whatever it takes to win.