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So we can draft a rookie, or possibly trade a bunch of picks next draft to trade up for a rookie..
But we cannot trade for a guy because he lacks experience? 
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It's being talked about and debated over and over but I do believe JG is our best option for a QB draft or trade. But as I said on an earlier post, I don't believe the Pats are going to trade him at this point for anything. He is insurance for TB. They have a good shot at getting to another SB with JG and their supporting cast.
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I don't think JG or any QB available in the draft are franchise guys. I would work on upgrading the rest of the team and then get the QB next year.
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Im not buying the smokescreen. I see a deleted post from a verified account that agent says was "Hacked" A coach that LOVES draft picks spending his 1st and 2nd rd picks a month before the draft and a rumor the browns front office erupted in cheers over something yesterday. I think a deal is in place already and just waiting till the draft to announce.
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Im not buying the smokescreen. I see a deleted post from a verified account that agent says was "Hacked" A coach that LOVES draft picks spending his 1st and 2nd rd picks a month before the draft and a rumor the browns front office erupted in cheers over something yesterday. I think a deal is in place already and just waiting till the draft to announce. It's certainly a possibility. I think the history of the Browns and Pats recent trades make it very plausible. Why the need to deny it all and what is to be gained by not announcing this? If Pryor left partly because of who is going to throw him the rock in Washington, wouldn't it be more likely he'd consider the same deal from Cleveland if Garopollo is the k own starter? If it is true I hope it's no more than this year's 12 and a second rounder, preferably from next year.
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Im not buying the smokescreen. I see a deleted post from a verified account that agent says was "Hacked" A coach that LOVES draft picks spending his 1st and 2nd rd picks a month before the draft and a rumor the browns front office erupted in cheers over something yesterday. I think a deal is in place already and just waiting till the draft to announce. I have no idea if what you are saying is true or not, but I like you being able to think outside of the box. Nice.
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j/c
Just read on twitter and thought funny pointing out why Garopollo is coming to Cleveland...
What number did Cooks wear in New Orleans? Garopollo?
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LOL...........that settles it.
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I don't think JG or any QB available in the draft are franchise guys. I would work on upgrading the rest of the team and then get the QB next year. I lean in this direction as well. For one thing I don't think BB / NE want to let JG go right now.. too many unknowns for them. Also.. I think the potential price for JG is too high. We need to be building a team first. I fully expect us to trade out of the 12 spot.
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I don't think JG or any QB available in the draft are franchise guys. I would work on upgrading the rest of the team and then get the QB next year. I lean in this direction as well. For one thing I don't think BB / NE want to let JG go right now.. too many unknowns for them. Also.. I think the potential price for JG is too high. We need to be building a team first. I fully expect us to trade out of the 12 spot. Latest report is 4 firsts. Only one talking about trading for JG is us. I don't think it happens
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Latest report is 4 firsts. Only one talking about trading for JG is us. I don't think it happens
What? Come on. The #12 and a 2nd rd pick next year is already looking good considering Billy boy just traded away his #32 and a 3rd rd pick for Cooks.
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you stay at 12 and grab a guy.
Swish, I love reading your posts, and respect you as a brother on this board. But "grab a guy" at 12 is a horrible idea. You don't just sit there and take whoever happens to fall. You're letting other teams decide who you get.
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You are so much more politically correct than guys like me.
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you stay at 12 and grab a guy.
Swish, I love reading your posts, and respect you as a brother on this board. But "grab a guy" at 12 is a horrible idea. You don't just sit there and take whoever happens to fall. You're letting other teams decide who you get. I feel what you're saying. I personally am all aboard the Watson train, but honestly if Hue wants Trubisky, then it's whatever. That's what I meant by "grab a guy", as I'm still not sure who they like in the draft....if any.
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You are so much more politically correct than guys like me.
Kudos. Interesting. With the Cooks trade, NE's first pick in this draft is #72 in the 3rd round. Hey Schefter. You just got bailed out. Garoppolo IS NOW available. Mark it down.
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See I read that as going all in for Tommy's last ride, but can easily see it being they know JG is going to net them a ton of picks.
I guess we won't know until around the draft for sure I buy in to Toms last ride. I don't think the Pats are interested in trading JG.
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Pats have a ton of "must keep" free agents next year. Edelman, amendola , Nate solder and dion Lewis to name a few. On top of that Brady and gronk salaries are going up a combined $12 million. BB has laid the ground work for JG to get $10 next year as a backup which they can't afford. JG walk next year so any trade of picks only buys you one year then you pay what you woukd pay next year without picks.
Only way patriots hold on to JG is if TB has commited to play just one more year despite earlier reports of 5 years.
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See I read that as going all in for Tommy's last ride, but can easily see it being they know JG is going to net them a ton of picks.
I guess we won't know until around the draft for sure I buy in to Toms last ride. I don't think the Pats are interested in trading JG. I don't think Brady is playing 5 more years. And he is an injury away from retirement like all players - maybe more likely with his age than most - but he's most definitely got more than one season left based on elite play last year and a SB. I don't buy Tom's last stand.
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You could be right. We might still be able to get JG. I just don't think the odds are all that great.
It will depend on the FO. We have the ability to go all in for the kid. It will just depend on how we view him compared to the picks it will require to get him.
Bill has the leverage right now. As we get closer to the draft, and Bill really does want the picks over JG, that leverage starts to swing our way because he faces the real possibility of getting nothing for the guy.
It's an interesting chess match.
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Just think...all of this could have been avoided had we just drafted Wentz last year.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Just think...all of this could have been avoided had we just drafted Wentz last year. Yep - but just as a hypothetical I think it would be just as probably that, because the Browns were so crappy and the OL was so injured and poor, we'd all be arguing over whether we needed to move on and admit that the Browns were dumb and over-reached for a Div 1AA QB who no other team in the NFL would have drafted that high.... I'll grant you that Wentz and Kessler did not play at all alike when you watched the games - But bottom line Wentz has similar stats to Kessler for completition and YPA .... I think Wentz would have played worse on the Browns.
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It's an interesting chess match.
That's for dang sure. It's actually making this off season fun. And as another post mentioned - I think we have options. JG might be the best of them (imo) but there are other positive options out there
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Pats have a ton of "must keep" free agents next year. Edelman, amendola , Nate solder and dion Lewis to name a few. On top of that Brady and gronk salaries are going up a combined $12 million. BB has laid the ground work for JG to get $10 next year as a backup which they can't afford. JG walk next year so any trade of picks only buys you one year then you pay what you woukd pay next year without picks.
Only way patriots hold on to JG is if TB has commited to play just one more year despite earlier reports of 5 years. That was an informative and logical post. Well done.
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Just think...all of this could have been avoided had we just drafted Wentz last year. Yep - but just as a hypothetical I think it would be just as probably that, because the Browns were so crappy and the OL was so injured and poor, we'd all be arguing over whether we needed to move on and admit that the Browns were dumb and over-reached for a Div 1AA QB who no other team in the NFL would have drafted that high.... I'll grant you that Wentz and Kessler did not play at all alike when you watched the games - But bottom line Wentz has similar stats to Kessler for completition and YPA .... I think Wentz would have played worse on the Browns. I didn't want the Browns to draft Wentz, but I can admit I was wrong. He played w/a crappy offense in Philly and he struggled at times. But man, you can see he has what it takes to be a good qb. He's big. He has a very good arm. He is mobile. And we knew all of that coming in. What was impressive was that he showed he could call audibles based on what the defense was showing him. He threw w/anticipation. He went through his progressions fairly quickly. He was not timid in the face of heavy pressure, and he received a ton of that. I'm not saying everyone, but there are people who can recognize good quarterbacking even if the results aren't that great.
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I liked Wentz, but we didn't take him.
Not sure how it will pan out, but I'd like him over Kessler, but that's old news at this point.
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You are so much more politically correct than guys like me.
Kudos. LOL. You are the first person who has ever called me "politically correct" in all my years on Earth. If we ever get a chance to meet in person (which I would welcome), you'd probably agree. All of those touchy-feely leadership seminars may have made me more tactful and cautious in what I say.
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Just think...all of this could have been avoided had we just drafted Wentz last year. And then win 2 games last year, and after SF trades #1 to NE for Jimmy G for Garrett, we trade back to the mid teens again..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Just think...all of this could have been avoided had we just drafted Wentz last year. Yep - but just as a hypothetical I think it would be just as probably that, because the Browns were so crappy and the OL was so injured and poor, we'd all be arguing over whether we needed to move on and admit that the Browns were dumb and over-reached for a Div 1AA QB who no other team in the NFL would have drafted that high.... I'll grant you that Wentz and Kessler did not play at all alike when you watched the games - But bottom line Wentz has similar stats to Kessler for completition and YPA .... I think Wentz would have played worse on the Browns. I didn't want the Browns to draft Wentz, but I can admit I was wrong. He played w/a crappy offense in Philly and he struggled at times. But man, you can see he has what it takes to be a good qb. He's big. He has a very good arm. He is mobile. And we knew all of that coming in. What was impressive was that he showed he could call audibles based on what the defense was showing him. He threw w/anticipation. He went through his progressions fairly quickly. He was not timid in the face of heavy pressure, and he received a ton of that. I'm not saying everyone, but there are people who can recognize good quarterbacking even if the results aren't that great. I think Wentz looked like a future HOFer for 3 out of his first 5 games. After that I think he looked good for a rookie, but Dak eclipsed him comfortably. Would I want Werntz insterad of being in where we are ? Yes. That said - there is a very real chance that if the Browns had drafted him, he would have struggled on this team and people would be saying we over reached and that we were still looking for a franchise QB. I am not saying that is a certainty - I am saying there is a real chance. 20-35%. It's my opinion and I don't think I am being unrealistic.
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If we would have just drafted Jimmy like i knew we should have instead of manziel then we wouldn't have to be in a position to have to give up the bank to get him
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If we would have just drafted Jimmy like i knew we should have instead of manziel then we wouldn't have to be in a position to have to give up the bank to get him If we'd just taken Derek Carr like I wanted to ... along with Mack ... 
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I don't think you are being unrealistic. I just don't care what people say. I'd rather have a good qb.
It's in the past and we can't change it.
Hopefully, we can get our guy this year. I think you and I both like Jimmy G. Some others don't.
It's really hard to evaluate qbs coming out of college anymore. We just gotta hope the FO/Hue make the right choice this time.
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IF...I didn't have balls I'd be a girl. Perhaps not a really cute one, though... 
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Dak had best O line and good/great running back- he won't have won a game in Cleveland with what happened to us O wise...AND being behind all the time. All OC say same thing, ya need to be able to run when you want...we couldn't, and throw effectively, didn't...with our O line improvements and depth I think Kessler with his experience and work ethic shouldn't be written off easily. Should we offer Pats the scary ransom some are pedaling on internet....NO, RGIII is one example, you are one play away from using your Backup...we aren't near ready to invest multiple 1st rd draft picks in QB backup.....GO Browns!!!
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... there are other positive options out there Wonder what it would take to pry Stafford out from the Lions? Simply a random thought; just thinking out loud.
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Let's drop back a little.
The first we "heard" about Garoppolo was from Lombardi.
Leak.
Then all the speculation. Expected.
Then Schefter says emphatically not going to happen no matter what is offered.
If you were Belichick and you wanted the maximum how would handled this Garoppolo scenario?
If teams know the Garoppolo situation and knew it was in question wouldn't it be better if they thought you had no real interest in trading him? Would that not mean if approaching the Pat's about the deal you knew you had to come hard? It sets the pricing expectation as maximum.
Belichick is playing this game and has no intention of giving away his hand or Garoppolo.
He is going to get all he can get. The Browns know it and it will take a premium to get him.
In the end it will take number 12 and maybe a fourth this year and a second next year.
No matter how much smoke is out there; logic says even though the Pat's would like to keep Garoppolo they just can not afford to not trade him.
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Let's drop back a little.
The first we "heard" about Garoppolo was from Lombardi.
Leak.
Then all the speculation. Expected.
Then Schefter says emphatically not going to happen no matter what is offered.
If you were Belichick and you wanted the maximum how would handled this Garoppolo scenario?
Man I like that recap/summary!! Makes the possibility that JG is going to be playing for the Browns next year much more probable (well - for someone not the Pats).....
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I'd rather have a good qb.
It's in the past and we can't change it.
Agree 100%. Let's hope it is JG and that he is the QB that we thought he'd be ... then we can crown his ass (Dennis Green style)
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Im not buying the smokescreen. I see a deleted post from a verified account that agent says was "Hacked" A coach that LOVES draft picks spending his 1st and 2nd rd picks a month before the draft and a rumor the browns front office erupted in cheers over something yesterday. I think a deal is in place already and just waiting till the draft to announce. I said pretty much the same thing yesterday. I thought it was a long shot and called it my "stupid post". But after their trade of the #32 pick for Cook, it seems less stupid today. BB loves a lot of draft picks and has always seemed to devalue the WR position. Yet here he sits with no first or second round pick a little over a month from the draft. While it still may be a long shot, I would not be as surprised today as I would have been yesterday if there isn't some legs to this possibility.
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....No matter how much smoke is out there; logic says even though the Pat's would like to keep Garoppolo they just can not afford to not trade him.
Logic also says that the pats can't afford to pay JG $10million next year to be a backup considering who else the have to sign and with Brady and gronk commanding an additional $12 million in cap space. Who will call BBs bluff and wait to get JG for free next year?
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