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I have avoided this thread, and haven't read what has been written. I'm just going to state my piece and probably won't come back to this thread.

Gordon is still a Brown, but he has burned all his chances and good will. If activated, he can come in and earn a job. No special considerations, no babysitters, no guarantees. Either stay clean, toe the line and prove himself better than our other options, or there's the door. Good luck finding another job.


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Maybe FA has everyone too tired to argue. This thread has been a remarkably positive one. Even if you're not into the spiritual stuff.


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Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Maybe FA has everyone too tired to argue. This thread has been a remarkably positive one. Even if you're not into the spiritual stuff.
dont jinx it oob


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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So did Gordon get reinstated? His tweet about the football gods being good was pretty vague.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
So did Gordon get reinstated? His tweet about the football gods being good was pretty vague.
hes tweeted cryptic things the past few months ... seeking attention IMO


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I don't think Josh is seeking attention. I think it is more overcoming anxiety. He did similar last season up until reinstatement. I think Josh has some real demons to overcome. I am really praying this kid makes it back. I can't think of better coaches, Hue and Al.

Josh can be the poster child of the Browns. Hitting rock bottom clawing his way back tying to get back on top. Then again, my perception is completely off and he is a closet case. Let's hope I'm right.

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Originally Posted By: bugs
I don't think Josh is seeking attention. I think it is more overcoming anxiety. He did similar last season up until reinstatement. I think Josh has some real demons to overcome. I am really praying this kid makes it back. I can't think of better coaches, Hue and Al.

Josh can be the poster child of the Browns. Hitting rock bottom clawing his way back tying to get back on top. Then again, my perception is completely off and he is a closet case. Let's hope I'm right.
i hope so bugs


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Given our record since the return, Josh Gordon might already be the face of the franchise. LOL

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Given our record since the return, Josh Gordon might already be the face of the franchise. LOL
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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He failed after he got reinstated...probably celebrating rolleyes
Instead of coming back to the team he put himself in rehab.

And yeah if that is the case you are right in the fact he was clean last year prior to putting himself in rehab.

As for the testing procedure.

I know as an Abuser and is reinstated he has to take a test at least once a week. I know they test him throughout the suspension so ASSumed it was around that once a week thing. Not a rule factoid.

Still the guy has a problem with rules. I think he got reinstated and then had some liquor celebrating. Not realizing that he must abstain from Liquor as well as pot. I think in this regard he is just more STUPID than a bad guy. It appears he has gotten away from the pot.

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The guy is 100% unreliable. Get rid of him first chance available. He does not represent what we are trying to build at this time. His talent is undeniable, his availability when it matters will always be a mystery. You cannot go forward out of the basement with guys like him on the roster. It gives the team/ organization a look of desperation and dysfunction .

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Please no.

https://twitter.com/JOSH_GORDONXII/status/839968042197090305

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i have a confession: i'm currently hating myself right now, because once again, i'm slowly gaining hope that we will see Gordon on the field this season.


Me too Swish, me too. banghead fingerscrossed willynilly

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1) Josh Gordon checked himself into rehab when he found out the baby is his.
2) Josh Gordon drank alcohol on the team's jet after their final game. He did not realize that the NFL season wasn't technically over.

Not making excuses. Just needed to correct the context and time line.

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there's no doubt his decision making has been AWFUL. he and johnny take the cake


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain
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I have avoided this thread, and haven't read what has been written. I'm just going to state my piece and probably won't come back to this thread.

Gordon is still a Brown, but he has burned all his chances and good will. If activated, he can come in and earn a job. No special considerations, no babysitters, no guarantees. Either stay clean, toe the line and prove himself better than our other options, or there's the door. Good luck finding another job.


I agree mostly .... the difference is I try to give him an environment that helps him succeed. Proactively... I think some might think of that as "babysitting" .... which I wouldn't. But he would live or die by his own actions. Zero Tolerance.


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jc

i have a confession: i'm currently hating myself right now, because once again, i'm slowly gaining hope that we will see Gordon on the field this season.


Me too Swish, me too. banghead fingerscrossed willynilly


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As I stated...one year here clean and good. Then we RFA tender him for the first round compensation then its either match or take the compensation!

If he plays well then falls back in suspension...for sure it is Over.
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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
1) Josh Gordon checked himself into rehab when he found out the baby is his.
2) Josh Gordon drank alcohol on the team's jet after their final game. He did not realize that the NFL season wasn't technically over.

Not making excuses. Just needed to correct the context and time line.


Team plane drinking was why he fell into the suspension...but when he put himself into rehab after being reinstated last year it was cause he had a tainted test...which I don't know if true but the only report on it I read said it was for drinking not drugs...it was not the plane drinking as that was well over a year of the timeline we were talking about.


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He wasn't suspended this year because of a failed test. He checked himself into rehab well before they suspended him for the rest of the year. If you only read one source, it was probably a lie. Anytime you can't find two collaborating stories for the same news piece, it's probably just an opinion. I hate the media.

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I am totally apathetic to the situation, but that whole thing about having a drink on a plane after our season was over was just nitpicking by the league if you ask me.


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Originally Posted By: MrTed
I am totally apathetic to the situation, but that whole thing about having a drink on a plane after our season was over was just nitpicking by the league if you ask me.


Which is probably proof as that story is not true.

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Originally Posted By: MrTed
I am totally apathetic to the situation, but that whole thing about having a drink on a plane after our season was over was just nitpicking by the league if you ask me.


Which is probably proof as that story is not true.


But even the coach on the team plane admitted it?

These Josh Gordon conspiracy theories are a lot of fun.

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That he only had one drink?????????????

Uhmmmmmm..........that is not the way I remember it.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
That he only had one drink?????????????

Uhmmmmmm..........that is not the way I remember it.


Josh said he had 4 drinks on the plane. Still doesn't change any of the facts in the story. He didn't realize the season wasn't over, thus he was still under supervision. He thought he was done with the season and drank.

Now whether he drank Yuengling or some vodka cranberries is a different discussion.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
That he only had one drink?????????????

Uhmmmmmm..........that is not the way I remember it.


Josh said he had 4 drinks on the plane. Still doesn't change any of the facts in the story. He didn't realize the season wasn't over, thus he was still under supervision. He thought he was done with the season and drank.




It was one of ^those^ moments!

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Oh my goodness.

I was responding to a direct quote that said:

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So let me get this straight EO ,, Drinking is Bad , Bad , Bad ; But it's excusable to hit a woman ?

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Oh my goodness.

I was responding to a direct quote that said:

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I am totally apathetic to the situation, but that whole thing about having a drink on a plane after our season was over was just nitpicking by the league if you ask me.




One drink or four who cares? The point of the post wasn't the amount it was that the NFL was nitpicking. Or should I say, picking on him? Going overboard to make an example of him?

Boy, talk about straining at gnats ands swallowing camels...


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I don't think the NFL is picking on him. I think he has had way more chances than many people get in life.

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Here is an article about the NFL's drug policy:

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Five things you probably didn’t know about the NFL’s drug policy


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Tuesday July 12th, 2016


The NFL’s marijuana policy has been all over the news lately, from criticism of the league’s stance by the likes of Eugene Monroe, Derrick Morgan and Jake Plummer to SI Films’ upcoming in-depth look at Ricky Williams’s relationship with the drug and the sport. But how much do you really know about the sport's actual testing, intervention and discipline procedures? We dug into the details to bring you five things you might not know about the current rules.




1. The league’s substance abuse policy predates its PED protocol. Commissioner Pete Rozelle first introduced a loose recreational drug code, focused on education, in 1971; the preseason testing structure still used today came into being as part of the ’82 CBA—and suspensions didn’t begin until ’89. Separate language for steroids didn’t appear until ’83.

2. Players outside the “intervention program”—those who’ve never had a violation—are tested just once a year. Anyone under contract is tested once between April 20 (yup: 4/20) and Aug. 9. The player is given at most a three-hour warning before being visited by a collector, who must directly witness the player providing the urine sample.

3. For every player suspended under the policy, five to 10 others anonymously enter and exit the intervention program. Not even teams are made aware of a player’s positive test until he is suspended, which only occurs after multiple violations. Team physicians, however, have that information in order to prevent cross-medication issues.


4. Marijuana is handled differently from all other substances. The discipline procedures for marijuana abusers are less strict than violations for all other drugs. Clause 1.5.2(c) states that an additional offense is allowed before suspensions are leveled in cases involving marijuana. And up until that point, fines for positive tests are less steep.

5. Hundreds of people are involved in the program. There are generally two or three clinicians per NFL team who administer treatment plans for each player in the program. Then there’s the legion of agents who help conduct 15,000-plus tests each year. Combined with the steroid program, the NFL spends about $13 million per year on its drug programs.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/07/11/nfl-drug-policy-substance-abuse-suspensions-tests


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The whole Gordon saga is just depressing.

We get this guy who truly could be one of the best players in the game.

He doesn't get hurt.

He simply can not remain sober.

I would love to see this young man get himself clean and reach his full potential.

When he played he was scary good. Sure I agree with you I want to see him play but I have seen with my own eyes that people with addictive personalities rarely make it.

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One other thing..........I am pretty sure that the NFL does not release the specific details of what substance a player was suspended for. For example, a player could say that he was using cough medicine, when he may have been using Purple Drank. The NFL keeps that information private.

Here is a pretty good article on drug testing, if you have the patience to read it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1875478-breaking-down-how-the-nfl-substance-abuse-policy-works

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I don't think the NFL is picking on him. I think he has had way more chances than many people get in life.



Not gonna argue with that, but I think that losing a guy for a season over a substance that isn't even illegal was overkill.


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Of course the NFL was extremely nitpicky about this situation. That's why they got slaughtered for it from PR. They still are a bit. They did happen to change their suspension policy after the Steeler's darling player got caught though. Goodell is the prime example of a useless bureaucrat. He does nothing besides punishing players and teams at random.

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Well, I tried.....

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Well, I tried.....


You did... thumbsup grin


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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Of course the NFL was extremely nitpicky about this situation. That's why they got slaughtered for it from PR. They still are a bit. They did happen to change their suspension policy after the Steeler's darling player got caught though. Goodell is the prime example of a useless bureaucrat. He does nothing besides punishing players and teams at random.


I forget who it was, but someone said this:

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These Josh Gordon conspiracy theories are a lot of fun.



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No. That is a Roger Goodell conspiracy theory wink

Deflategate tells us it's not out of the realms of possibility.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
He wasn't suspended this year because of a failed test. He checked himself into rehab well before they suspended him for the rest of the year. If you only read one source, it was probably a lie. Anytime you can't find two collaborating stories for the same news piece, it's probably just an opinion. I hate the media.


I'm just going on Logic... It was days before he was set to return and join us. Instead he puts himself into REHAB? To me that told me he failed another test. We are talking about a kid who put himself into REHAB ONE DAY to appease a court order.

This was on his own...Just makes sense he failed the test and NFL told him best way to move forward was to get himself into rehab and not for one day. Again this is with no link or knowledge strictly using logic. As for the reason weed or liquor I think is irrelevant - as stated I just mentioned liquor cause I saw a reference to it. Doesn't really matter which.

we'll see - it cannot hurt us if he comes back. Best case scenario is he comes back - stays clean for the year have a decent year - we tag him in 2018 with a 1st round tender. See what happens. Keep him or take the compensation if somebody signs him.

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