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Okay..........let's keep it simple.
What would his salary be if he is franchised? Simple would be U just making your point ... simple is not asking me to go look up franchise qb #'s .. and I'm not gonna ... so there ... *L* ... Umm .. i think Cousins is playing for 19 mill and change ... so lets say an even 20 million when they apply the tag .... or maybe he can sign the contract he's worked out with the trade partner and NE can have him sign that contract ... So i don't know ... depends on how it works ... do u know how that works? ... so much for simple .. *L* .. For your argument ... lets say 20 million when he signs the tender .... then after they trade him .. its zero ....
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You think if KYLE/LYNCH offered BB the #2 pick in this draft BB wouldn't have jumped on it.
Come on bro... I'm saying the only one with ammo would be them and they would have to utilize #2 overall.
He has Hoyer for now. Shanny I believe is confident he can win with an Average QB cause of his system. What he needs is an AWESOME D!!! And a running game.
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They could also use the transition tag on him next year in an attempt to get a trade done, could even be more likely scenario. Either way, it's along way off.
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You think if KYLE/LYNCH offered BB the #2 pick in this draft BB wouldn't have jumped on it.
Come on bro... I'm saying the only one with ammo would be them and they would have to utilize #2 overall.
He has Hoyer for now. Shanny I believe is confident he can win with an Average QB cause of his system. What he needs is an AWESOME D!!! And a running game.
jmho That wasn't my question ... answer my question then i will answer yours ...  ... then i will *L* at U for your Hoyer comment and Shanny thinking he's the answer ... If Kyle thinks JG is his franchise QB why would they not give up the #2 pick for him? ...
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Transition Tag...no need to make any trade...just sign him with a poison pill. No way he would TTag him...its Franchise Tag.
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Your right I forgot there wasn't any compensation for the transition tag, my bad.
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I don't think NE wants to part with JG because he's potentially the future and anything can happen in a year to a 40yo QB. It's also possible JG has no interest in being a pawn in a trade between NE & the Browns knowing that after this season he's going to be a very rich man. He'll have his pick of several teams, including a perennial Super Bowl contender and others far more attractive than the Browns. The more I think about it, the more I believe there's not much that can make this deal happen.
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The Pats could negotiate a multi yr extension with JG. He has a chance to be the next QB of the best franchise in the game...or let the winds of fate carry him to whichever struggling team ponies up the biggest dowry. I suspect he'd be open to an extension that pays him top backup money with a bonus that kicks in when he becomes the starter...for the security of knowing he's the next face of the best franchise. Or he could be itching to be the starter wherever. Point being, he has a say in what happens.
I agree, if BB doesn't intend to trade JG, he's pretty much painted himself into a corner regarding the draft. But at the same time, he's acquired some pretty shiny pieces without having to rely on the draft. Bill never drafts high, because his team always finishes high. And yet he has proven a master at keeping his team replenished with talent.
Whether JG is traded is just as cloudy as ever, and that's exactly the way BB wants it.
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I don't think NE wants to part with JG because he's potentially the future and anything can happen in a year to a 40yo QB. It's also possible JG has no interest in being a pawn in a trade between NE & the Browns knowing that after this season he's going to be a very rich man. He'll have his pick of several teams, including a perennial Super Bowl contender and others far more attractive than the Browns. The more I think about it, the more I believe there's not much that can make this deal happen. Heh, while I was writing my post...  Like minds...
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CalDawg if that is the case 100% then expect them to shop Brady next year. Of course that would be terrible PR for them. If they don't win after Brady...who knows what would happen.
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I don't think NE wants to part with JG because he's potentially the future and anything can happen in a year to a 40yo QB. It's also possible JG has no interest in being a pawn in a trade between NE & the Browns knowing that after this season he's going to be a very rich man. He'll have his pick of several teams, including a perennial Super Bowl contender and others far more attractive than the Browns. The more I think about it, the more I believe there's not much that can make this deal happen. That's as likely as any scenario at the moment. Though I lean the other way. If JG is the next great QB in the NFL - he's not going to be happy sitting waiting for Brady to decide when it's time. Brady isn't going to owe JG anything - he can play as long as he wants and is physically able to do so. The better the Pats - the more likely Brady is to hang around. Look at Manning.... Denver Won their last SB ring despite of Peyton, not because of. I'd say Brady is at least 3 or 4 years away from falling to the physical ability Peyton had in his last year. We will all know soon. I agree BB wants it murky and a topic of hot debate. . . . I also think the Browns are playing it smart too.
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The Pats could negotiate a multi yr extension with JG. He has a chance to be the next QB of the best franchise in the game...or let the winds of fate carry him to whichever struggling team ponies up the biggest dowry. I suspect he'd be open to an extension that pays him top backup money with a bonus that kicks in when he becomes the starter...for the security of knowing he's the next face of the best franchise. Or he could be itching to be the starter wherever. Point being, he has a say in what happens.
Would you rather have top back up money or top 5 starter money? I could see him getting a better contract than Tom Brady's currently. Also, if the Patriots do franchise JG, he will then become the highest paid QB on the roster.
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Brady calling it quits after 2017 or 2018 is really the crux of this whole thing.
Brady's wife has applied the pressure. He said he is playing. Happy wife , happy life? Unhappy wife - ?
If Brady has told Belichick he is on a year to year basis. Then Garoppolo is off the market.
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JG's in the cat bird seat whether they trade him or not. He would not be obligated to sign a long term deal with the Browns. He's a FA in 2018 no matter what. If signing long term is part of the deal, it's up to JG whether he signs or not. The Browns would need that assurance before giving up a buttload of picks. Again, it's in JG's best interest to wait. He could end up the starter in NE before mid-season. Who knows? But after the season, he'll have plenty of suitors including NE, if they really see him as their future.
eo - you're right, they'd likely trade Brady or let JG walk. Trading or cutting Brady after another season might seam insane from a loyalty perspective, (or has been mentioned, he could hang them up) but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. JG will be a starter somewhere in 2018 with a huge contract, likely in a situation that he finds desirable. Likely more desirable that the Browns, if only from a PR perspective.
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Would you rather have top back up money or top 5 starter money?
This question assumes that it's all about the money. For many players it is, but look at Tony Jefferson. He was offered more money by Cleveland, yet took Baltimore's offer because he perceives them to be a better team, a better place to play. JG knows he will be making big $ sooner or later. He may well be willing to put that payday off a year to stay with football's best team.
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Garoppolo is a pawn right now. If he stays in NE he remains a pawn. He basically sits and plays good teammate and reliable back-up.
He is three years into "his" career. He is 25.
What is in his head? "Gee maybe I get to play if Tom gets hurt. What if Tom plays two years or more?"
"Gee I might get to start when I am 28 or maybe 30?"
Not to say that what Garoppolo thinks will influence Belichick but one would think (maybe BB) hey this young man deserves to get his chance instead of drifting in the wind as Brady decides what he wants to do.
If I am Garoppolo. I say "thanks for the memories; get me out of here."
The Browns at this stage represents a great opportunity for Garoppolo. The front office has begun to look like they know what they are doing.
The off season to date has been a success. The got Collins and signed him. They have shored up the OL with good players under contract. They have stock piled high round draft picks. They have a running game. They have invested in receivers. They are in position to get the best defensive player(at a premier position) in the draft and pair him up with another high pick.
The future for once looks bright especially with a true starting quarterback.
For all those who said build from within first and then get your quarterback; well they have done that.
Add Garoppolo and away we go.
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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Okay..........let's keep it simple.
What would his salary be if he is franchised?
Simple would be U just making your point ... simple is not asking me to go look up franchise qb #'s .. and I'm not gonna ... so there ... *L* LOL bro, I was just trying to keep the conversation going. It's been pretty good lately. Much better than "he stinks because he is a backup."  Anyway, here is what I found: The franchise tag is more or less a last resort for teams trying to retain their best unrestricted free agents. It's essentially a one-year deal that grants a window to negotiate a long-term contract. If no deal is struck before July 15, the player gets locked into his one-year deal. The price is based on the average of the top five salaries from the player's position or 120 percent of his previous salary, whichever number is higher. Needless to say, teams will try to avoid tagging quarterbacks and pass rushers because those positions tend to be the most expensive. ... Although the NFL has yet to release the official numbers, Joel Corry of CBS projected the franchise-tag salaries for each position based off a $168 million salary cap: Quarterbacks: $21.395 million Running backs: $12.377 million Wide receivers: $15.826 million Tight ends: $9.894 million Offensive linemen: $14.444 million Defensive tackles: $13.468 million Defensive ends: $16.955 million Linebackers: $14.754 million Cornerbacks: $14.297 million Safeties: $10.961 million Kickers/Punters: $4.863 million You can read the entire article here: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/16/10...alue-candidatesOkay, the number will probably be even higher next year. So, wouldn't you have a larger market by trading him now? Wouldn't the interest in "a backup qb" LOL be less if he is making that kind of money? Thus, wouldn't it make more sense to try and trade him now and not have to put the franchise tag on him? Bro, I don't know what the Pats will do. Just trying to look at things from all angles. I think it's a pretty good conversation and sure is better than most of the crap we discuss on here, such as "who is to blame for Pryor not re-signing w/the Browns?" LOL
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2018. One season. He's in control. He's only a pawn in the sense that NE can trade him. The clock is ticking on that. If he doesn't want to come to Cleveland, he won't sign long term.
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I don't think NE wants to part with JG because he's potentially the future and anything can happen in a year to a 40yo QB. It's also possible JG has no interest in being a pawn in a trade between NE & the Browns knowing that after this season he's going to be a very rich man. He'll have his pick of several teams, including a perennial Super Bowl contender and others far more attractive than the Browns. The more I think about it, the more I believe there's not much that can make this deal happen. If the man believes in himself being a franchise QB he has the perfect opportunity to be the king of a city. Arguably, more than any other city, if he proves to be a stud he will be on a pedestal. Football rules in Cleveland and it is Browns town. Whoever is in charge, coaching and behind center when the W's come will be knighted and heralded as saints. The trick is, he needs to believe Hue is the guy and he needs to believe the FO is moving in the right direction. Usually this time of year they are the butt of many jokes, but, at the moment they have received many positives from sports writers who are impressed with their strengthening of the line and their creative trade with Houston.
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They can franchise him next year. So for two years he is under their thumb.
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Did you read the post I just made about the cost of franchising a qb and how it might make it harder to trade him?
Just wondering?
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Just a thought, Since the 2nd rnd draft pick we acquired was for 2018 and that it is being reported that we are shopping a 5th rnd pick, Brock and part of his salary for a 3rd rnd pick (2018?) could it be that we have already discussed JG with Bill and he said not this year but get back with me next year? and possibly have had talks on what it would take to get JG. Next year Brock's salary would be off the books and we should be able to give JG a multi year contract.
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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Okay..........let's keep it simple.
What would his salary be if he is franchised?
Simple would be U just making your point ... simple is not asking me to go look up franchise qb #'s .. and I'm not gonna ... so there ... *L* LOL bro, I was just trying to keep the conversation going. It's been pretty good lately. Much better than "he stinks because he is a backup." Anyway, here is what I found: The franchise tag is more or less a last resort for teams trying to retain their best unrestricted free agents. It's essentially a one-year deal that grants a window to negotiate a long-term contract. If no deal is struck before July 15, the player gets locked into his one-year deal. The price is based on the average of the top five salaries from the player's position or 120 percent of his previous salary, whichever number is higher. Needless to say, teams will try to avoid tagging quarterbacks and pass rushers because those positions tend to be the most expensive. ... Although the NFL has yet to release the official numbers, Joel Corry of CBS projected the franchise-tag salaries for each position based off a $168 million salary cap: Quarterbacks: $21.395 million Running backs: $12.377 million Wide receivers: $15.826 million Tight ends: $9.894 million Offensive linemen: $14.444 million Defensive tackles: $13.468 million Defensive ends: $16.955 million Linebackers: $14.754 million Cornerbacks: $14.297 million Safeties: $10.961 million Kickers/Punters: $4.863 million You can read the entire article here: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/16/10...alue-candidatesOkay, the number will probably be even higher next year. So, wouldn't you have a larger market by trading him now? Wouldn't the interest in "a backup qb" LOL be less if he is making that kind of money? Thus, wouldn't it make more sense to try and trade him now and not have to put the franchise tag on him? Bro, I don't know what the Pats will do. Just trying to look at things from all angles. I think it's a pretty good conversation and sure is better than most of the crap we discuss on here, such as "who is to blame for Pryor not re-signing w/the Browns?" LOL Seems to me your saying that if BB keeps him this year and tags him next year the team he's traded to is on the hook for the franchise amount of lets say 22 million ... thats not how it works bro ... They will tear that tender up and he will sign a new contract with them ... So I'm not sure exactly what your saying ... Not trying to be a dick here ... I'm confused ... In my initial post I said they won't get as much for him ... but it won't be much less ... they'll still have plenty of leverage ...
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In theory that is how it would work.
Then again, JG might be happy making 21 mil next season, then head to the West Indies and ride a rum boat for the rest of his life.
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In theory that is how it would work.
Then again, JG might be happy making 21 mil next season, then head to the West Indies and ride a rum boat for the rest of his life. who here wouldn't
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The issue of loyalty to Brady: i.e. not trading or cutting him.... the 49ers traded Joe Montana, who was every bit the icon in SF that Brady is now.
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The issue of loyalty to Brady: i.e. not trading or cutting him.... the 49ers traded Joe Montana, who was every bit the icon in SF that Brady is now. Brett Favre ...
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They can franchise him next year. So for two years he is under their thumb.
If you consider being paid top money to play for a perennial Super Bowl team as "being under their thumb" then yeah, I suppose technically you're right. Frankly I don't see them franchising a backup, but either way, he makes huge money.
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Yeah, I don't necessarily give it much weight, but that doesn't mean weight might not be given. He's arguable the greatest ever, always a good soldier. He might have won the right to retire there on his terms. I really don't know.
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Come on man.
If you work as hard as you are capable of working for years to get to play a game; don't you want to play?
Money is great. But he is making money and will make more money. But come on, you want to play. You want to know you can do it. You want to prove yourself. You want to reach your potential.
Sitting on the bench for years has to eating Garoppolo up.
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I don't know it's pretty clear to me. If they don't take number 12 for jimmy then this is probably Tom's last season for the patriots.
In a twist of fate After Tom is cut ... the Browns pick him up and Tom comes just to prove it was him that made NE to win and that he can do it with anyone ....
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I need to make this clear before I begin. I am NOT arguing. I really am confused and would like some clarification. The cap, contracts, and all that jazz are not my strengths. I have a couple of comments and some questions.
--Isn't a bit of a stretch to think that NE will franchise Jimmy and pay him around 22 million dollars when he might not see the field?
--Why wouldn't placing a franchise tag on a player make it harder to trade him?
--If NE does franchise him and he gets around $22 million and they then trade him........the other team can just tear-up his contract? That doesn't sound right to me.
I have more questions, but I'll stick w/these three for now and my other questions might get answered if someone is able to accurately answer these three.
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I won't pretend to know what's really going on in his mind, the point of my posts are merely to say that Garroppolo has more control over the situation than most people factor when discussing the issue. IMHO, it's not a whole lot about what the Browns and NE want. They have some say, but the ball is really in JG's court. Perhaps you're right, perhaps playing for the Browns in 2017 trumps everything. If it does, good for us. I don't think it does, but perhaps.
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This is from Mary Kay, you know, the same person who said Pryor re-signed w/the Browns. So, take it for what it's worth: The Browns will still make a run at Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, league sources say, and they might use this 2018 second-rounder, or one of their other two second-rounders next year, as a part of a package to try to get the Patriots to part with their backup. But they'll have to knock the Patriots' socks off, and I doubt they'll be willing to surrender what it would take. I've been told New England, who keeps insisting they won't trade him, would want the Browns' No. 1 pick and more -- as much as a first-rounder next year. Not only would the Browns not give up two first-rounders, they won't part with this year's top pick, which will be used on Myles Garrett, unless something drastic happens between now and the draft. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/browns_shopping_brock_osweiler.html
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The Browns will still make a run at Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo Ok... they might use this 2018 second-rounder, or one of their other two second-rounders next year, as a part of a package to try to get the Patriots to part with their backup Oh, really. But they'll have to knock the Patriots' socks off, and I doubt they'll be willing to surrender what it would take Uh-huh??? New England, who keeps insisting they won't trade him, would want the Browns' No. 1 pick and more -- as much as a first-rounder next year. I see... Not only would the Browns not give up two first-rounders, they won't part with this year's top pick, which will be used on Myles Garrett, unless something drastic happens between now and the draft. Oh, okay. I get it. The Browns will make a run at JG offering 2nd round picks intending to blow off New England's socks but unwilling to do so because New England wants two first rounders but wants to keep him anyway and we don't want to give up two first rounders so we're not going to offer what they want and they aren't going to let go of him for what we want so in other words... Never mind. What the hell?
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This is what I have been suspecting (not that MKC confirms anything in my mind), Bill wants Garrett. He wants to keep Jimmy, but he'll trade his future starting QB for Myles...which should tell you all you need to know about Myles.
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Well............we ain't trading him the first overall pick.
At least I don't think there is snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
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