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I don't know if there is a QB in this class that is ready to stat. Teddy and​ Carr were different. Teddy from pro system and Derek being groomed to be a starter by his brother on a daily basis.

I draft one this year N draft another next if need be. Maybe 2 like the skins did.

I don't put alt of stock in a guy throwing 58 instead of 55. I do put stock in guys not throwing over 50 because from what I read since they have been doing this only one out of 30 of those guys has been a long term answer.

The reason I am not all in on Trubs like Diam is the 13 starts thing, because historically guys with less than 25 starts in college don't make it. So although I wouldn't exclude a player on a number I would definitely look at reasons WHY he could be a guy to buck the historical trend.

Trubs still intrigues me just not at one. With Watson it just reaffirms what I thought beforehand......would have him ranked behind the Mahomes/Webb/Peterman mid round guys.

I don't care if he's "ready" or not.

If we're ganna spend a 1st rounder on a QB. Start him.

J/c

I'm working on my QB rankings now and I have them in a big clump right now using a 1-4 scale

Below average-currently below baseline for draftable prospects=1
Average-currenlty at baseline for draftable prospects=2
Above Average-above baseline for draftable prospects=3
Exceptional=4

In these categories:

AC-accuracy
AT-arm talent
AE-atheticism evasion
DF-drop back footwork
EX-experience
IV-improvisaiton
PE-production efficiency
S-size
M-throwing motion
Pro-pro-readiness/pro-style offense

But, I have more games to watch on some prospects

I agree with that. It's easy to sit behind the plate and measure velocity during live action. It's also easy to measure velocity and the ability to have control over that velocity.

It would be interesting to know exactly how they measure this for a QB.

Mitch Trubisky early and Jerod Evans late... color me happy. If we take two like rumors say that is. I'd be happy with either.

I appreciate your willingness to spend time with all the analysis and then sharing it here. Just one question, shouldn't any evaluation include whether there is a demonstrated ability to make pre- and post-snap reads? Call it "Recognition skills". Would that even be possible, given the styles of offense played in college, not to mention the (sometime) complete absence of defense? It has to be the biggest challenge to scouts these days, that is, whether a guy has the "vision/processing skills" to play at the pro level.

It would be too hard to include. And you are right. Determining those things is what makes it so tough on NFL scouts.

Because I'm tired of waiting.

If we draft a guy in the first round he better be able to beat out BO and CK.

I'm not a BO fan but if we don't think any of the QB's is worth drafting maybe we should give him a try. It can't be any worse than what happened last year and we can get someone next year when the QB class is suppose to be better.

A lot of teams ahead of us are settling on quarterbacks. If the Niners really want to roll with Hoyer, and the Bears got their guy, it seems like either Watson or Trubisky will fall to us at 12. If we got Garrett and Trubisky, I will be very happy!

I'm not sure "BO" is the best nickname for Osweiler. LOL

Your right LOL. I better rethink that when I refer to him in the future.

LOL, I'm not sure who but someone did say he stinks...

*LOL* ...

My thought is its an insult to BO ...

Yeah, I know. I've been thinking about just how many people will be using it if he stays here and struggles. LOL

Thanks. I've been doing it for years now for fun and I've been on a couple fantasy football shows and once for a blog.

I've been trying to hone it every year to improve the accuracy based on the traits I feel are important and observable. I posted mine from last year before, (I had Dak as my highest rated QB btw but also had Conor Cook rared high too lol.

Yes, absolutely. But imho its too hard to accurately observe and record without some insight into their respective offenses.

But, I do have a category for pro-readiness and pro-style offense. In addition to watching how often a QB reads full field (and even then its hard to know if they're actually reading full field or instructed to hold/look off the safety by design of the play with full intention of throwing to a different area); I also read/research some about their respective offenses. So QBs that have pro-style passing concepts get a bump, QBs that play in pro-style offenses and do some under center work and show 3-5-7 step drops get a bump. QBs playing in air-raid spread while they have some reads their reads are less transferable to the 'pro-style'.

But, the whole pro-style argument or benefit is something that may not matter or last once the prospect is drafted. For example take Cam and Dalton both played in different types of spread offenses and made transitioned fairly smoothly and executed out of the gate as rookies. And of course there have been 'pro-style' QBs that have struggled.

This effect is an echoe of what Bill Walsh said here:

Brockie O??

It's Glock Osweiler.

I am sure the team is factoring this into their decision making process.

Brockweiler

Just wanted to pass this along....Benjamin Allbright has begun to get somewhat recognized, at least on this board, as the guy who has discredited Tony Grossi and caught Jason LaCanfora stealing information and claiming as his own. That stuff is cute but he also has a pretty good eye for talent. Check out his working QB list on google docs. He's done a pretty good job at targeting which QBs will be successful or not, all the way back to 2009. It's not flawless but it's pretty darn good.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...t#gid=156597622

And just to credit him and prove it's his list:
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/836302675746652161

I believe the QBs he had crossed out over the years were QBs he said he wouldn't draft (I'm pretty sure but not 100%). Interesting to see Watson on this list.

And when Kessler stinks?

Interesting. The only guy he really missed on was Dak. His rankings are pretty good to....not perfect but pretty good.

I would pretty much agree with this list he has here as well (although I like Peterman more than he does).

They've started showing some of Gruden's QB camp, and I wasn't impressed with the bit I saw on Trubisky and snap counts.

I love to watch Gruden QB series but I don't put much stock into it for my draft rankings. But out of curiosity what didn't you like?

I think Trub didn't know what a "hard count" was. LOL

I'm not gonna hold it against the kid though, a lot of them don't. Most of the spread offenses go off first sound.

I think I still prefer the arm of Mahommes to anyone in this class. I do like Peterman and Dobbs as long term guys, but I think Mahommes has that special arm. I think he could be special long term. He also seems likable and smart.

I've also heard that either his offensive coordinator or head coach made them take snaps at practice under center because he knew that's what they would need at the next level. Interesting, I hope more college coaches do that.

ed, first of all...........glad you stuck around. You are an asset to the board. We disagree at times and work each other's nerves.........but, I'm glad you are here.

Oh, and I wasn't really knocking Trub for that. I was just explaining what I think Grimm meant. I might be wrong about that, though.

I have never played QB at any level and I know what a hard count is.

I've known what a hard count was before I knew it was even called a hard count. Since I was like, eight years old.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to. I understand that they don't necessarily use it, but how do you not know what one is? It just leads me to believe he's not as big of a student of the game as I would prefer at QB. I could be reading too much into it, but it just seemed odd.

Here's a link to the vid, the hard count is towards the end: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18899309

I thought that is what you were referring to. It was kind of a eye brow riser...LOL

As far as Trub goes.........go look at the Jet's thread in this forum if you are interested in my take on him. Not saying you are interested...LOL..........but, just in case you are.