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Uhmmmm...........I wasn't being serious.
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Any player can bust, and/or have injuries derail a career.
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While MG is probably the consensus No 1 guy.. I also understand playing devil's advocate when it comes to putting anyone on a pedestal such as Miles has been placed. Anyone remember Vernon Gholston ? His Pre-draft hipe was off the charts, blew up the combine, All the analysts were slobering all over this guy. He went to the Jets and was one of the biggest bust in NFL history. In 3 years with the Jets he had ZERO sacks and hardly even showed on the stat sheets. He was released and tried to catch on with 3 other teams but never played again. NOTHING is for sure.. All we can do is try to minimize it and weigh the risks in proportion to the position of need. I agree 100%. I even stated that anything could happen to MG once drafted. I didn't read Knight of Browns post as a balanced "how about this" opinion piece. I read it that unequivocally we should not draft MG.... and it was supported with facts that were not facts at all.
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Any player can bust, and/or have injuries derail a career.
I know that but having a DE that good to pick again has stirred up bad memories of the past ...
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Great post, sure does make a lot of sense. I would have absolutely no problem with Mitch at #1, because if you don't have a QB in this league, then you basically have nothing! Just my 2 cents. And reaching for a QB at #1, when general consensus is that there are no QB with a 1st round grade this year, will solve that?
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Uhmmmm...........I wasn't being serious. Myles Garrett and Courtney Browns are 2 completely different people. Besides, if we're going to judge players in this draft by players we've drafted in the 1st round of past drafts ...... Well, Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, and Johnny Manziel want in on the conversation. We have to look at each draft and each player on their own merits. Otherwise, we won't be able to take a QB, (the aforementioned foursome) DL, (Brown, Warren, Taylor) RB, (Green, Richardson) TE, (KW2) WR, (Braylon) C, (Faine) OLB, (Mingo, Wimbley) or CB. (Gilbert) I'm not sure what we can draft, given those rules. Maybe a FB, or a G, an ILB, or a S?
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Then let's just draft Solomon Thomas #1 and be done with it. 
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Then let's just draft Solomon Thomas #1 and be done with it. As long as we don't pick him with pick #22...
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I'm not sure what we can draft, given those rules. Maybe a FB, or a G, an ILB, or a S? Tommy Vardell, Mike Junkin, Pete Adams, so no saftey bust at 1 is the only safe position for us to draft
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I thought Courtney Brown (outside of having a girls name) was a great player. Probably one of the tragedies of this organization losing him to injury and no-injury was suppose to be a virtue.
If MG is as good of a PLAYER as Courtney I will love that.
Lets face it we are taking Garrett...again unless we fall in love with Tribusky but I really think the first QB will be there are 12 if we want!
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I really think the first QB will be there are 12 if we want!
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You think he gets past the Jets?
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I really think the first QB will be there are 12 if we want!
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You think he gets past the Jets?
This Regime is on their last legs and need to WIN NOW or get blown up. I'm specifically talking about the GM who is going to make this decision.
No way he is going to take a First rounder and develop him...they don't have the time for that. They are going to ride Petty who is in his 3rd season. They draft a Tribusky or Watson or Kizer it will take some time to develop them. That is why I don't think they go QB with their first pick. It would be for a player that probably won't provide impact for them in 2017. Us we got 2 first round picks. And much more...so I can see us taking one at 12.
Jets will not pass on a stud player that will help them WIN in 2017...
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Facts are facts http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/alltimeno1There hasn't been a dominant DL(One actually worth a #1 overall pick) taken #1 overall since Bruce Smith in 1985 All the others have been busts...even guys like Russell Maryland were busts...they were good players, but they were on teams with great QB, great RB, and great WR....all of which the Browns have zero The Texans already tried this, passing on a franchise QB and taking the DL and how did that work out for them? Oh i know, they still have issue with QB, have yet to even win a playoff game. Yes i call Garrett light in the arse because look at him...he may have the weight but he is tall and lanky. Look at him!  that is NOT an AFC North 4-3 DE...no matter how much you want him to be, he isn't an every down DE...not in this division...this kid will get manhandled...he is a situational pass rusher at best...you really ready to spend a #1 overall on that?  He looks like an under-sized LB. Weight isn't everything...look at his frame, look how small his legs are in proportion to everything else. If we take him #1 overall he will be out of NFL in 4 years....
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/myles-garrett?id=2557965Weaknesses Relies heavily on tremendous athleticism and explosion. Still learning how to string moves together and work with a pass-rush plan. At times, will take too long to activate counter moves when initial attack has stalled. Effort level appears closely tied to fatigue level at times. As pass rusher, uses hands reactively too often rather than proactively. Gets too cozy with blockers and will ride block for too long. Needs more urgency in disengagement. Would benefit with violent stick-and-move punch quickness into blockers. Has to work overtime to set a strong edge. Gets uprooted and widened out by quality run-blocking tackles. Never played in more than 70 percent of the defensive snaps in any of his three seasons at Texas A&M. Scouts are convinced he took plays off to protect his health this season. Bottom Line Elite edge rusher who possesses rare explosiveness and the fluid-movement skills and agility of an NBA shooting guard. Good size, but he's never likely going to be a hold-your-ground run defender, and might be best suited as an outside linebacker. However, his ability to explode into the backfield through a gap or around the edge gives him disruptive potential on every snap. Garrett still needs to fine-tune his pass-rush strategy and could stand to give more consistent effort from the start of the snap until the whistle. But his pass-rush production and athletic traits point toward an all-pro career. You see that? The AFC North is full of good running teams with very very good run blocking OL...Garrett will get manhandled by the Bengals, Steelers, and Raven's and their very strong running games. He also relies far too much on pure athleticism and his hand technique and pass rush moves are lacking with the exception of a spin move. This sounds an awful lot like Mingo and how did that work out for us? I'd say Mingo atleast had better hand work coming out. This guy is a lot of hype...Im not high on Allen either, but he is atleast 286 pounds and can actually set an edge making him not a liability in the run games while still having some potential to rush the passer. Allen had comparable sacks over the last 3 seasons while being a far better run defender.
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You said these two things: - Yes i call Garrett light in the arse because look at him...he may have the weight but he is tall and lanky. - He looks like an under-sized LB. Weight isn't everything...look at his frame, look how small his legs are in proportion to everything else. Then you post an article with your next post showing his weaknesses. Meanwhile in the SAME article is says this: Chiseled physique with functional strength, and not just beach muscles. Bigger than people think. Uber-athlete with spring-loaded hips and elite explosiveness. Powerful legs allow him to fight through redirect blocks and corner the edge at a sharp angle. Miles Garrett coming out of college = 272lbs Mingo coming out of college = 241lbs
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The AFC North is full of passing teams. Just like the rest of the league.
The "3 yards and a cloud of dust" division has been dead for years..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I finally figured it out.
SF gets Cousins
Washington gets Osweiler(at $0) and some picks.
NE gets Hoyer and a bunch of picks.
Cleveland gets JG
Every bodies happy.
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Miles Garrett coming out of college = 272lbs
Mingo coming out of college = 241lbs
This was my biggest problem with Mingo, Chaun Thompson, and Wimbley.... they were all light-in-the-arse fast guys who were all one-trick ponies. Athletic freaks, but not football players, and definitely not stout. Miles Garret strikes me as the absolute antithesis of those guys. He's already everything folks hoped those other guys might possibly develop into.... and then some.
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I don't get nor do I see what you're referencing when you state this kid is undersized?     He looks like a freak of nature to me. I am 6'5" and most people underestimate me even at 250+ pounds and I am NO where near this physical specimen so I can sort of relate to your assumption of his disproportionate appearance to you. Most tall people look lanky making it VERY deceiving but that factor is only perception and shouldn't be a basis of disqualification in regards to his stock. He is a beast, no doubt about it. Of course, this is all opinion by me and he very well may not be as good as you say. I just don't see it in the way you are painting this picture.
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Look man............opinions are one thing, but you are making crap up. --Houston won a playoff game this year. --Clowney is a better player than Bortles, who was the first qb taken in that draft. Khalil Mack, who was just named NFL Defensive Player of the Year was taken after Bortles in that same draft. Psssttttt.........he is an edge rusher. In 2015, Denver won the Super Bowl w/a dominant pass rusher in Von Miller. Psssttttttt, he is an edge rusher. JJ Watt who was picked 10th in his draft class, was back-to-back NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2014 and 2015. He can do some other things, but he is also a dominant edge rusher. Myles Garrett compares favorably to these types of players. Dude reminds me of Bruce Smith and Julius Peppers. --The AFC North isn't known for their great running games anymore. Pittsburgh runs the ball well w/Bell, but Baltimore's running game is putrid. The Bengals are not a top running team. All three teams pass it more than they run it. The Bengals run it 44.2% of the time. The Steelers run it 40.7% of the time. The Ravens run it 35.09% of the time and that is dead last in the entire NFL. Yep, even behind the Browns. --It is myth that the AFC North is still a rough and tumble division. The Bengals and Ravens have sub-par O-lines that got even weaker in this year's FA period. --Scott and Purp took care of the physique, build thing. Glad they did, because they are much nicer than I would have been.  Opinions are cool, but please don't resort to making things up to prove your point.
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Holy crap! Yep, he's light in arse. 
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--Scott and Purp took care of the physique, build thing. Glad they did, because they are much nicer than I would have been. Well in all honesty, i was going to include in my post: that he was right ....that we need bigger d-linemen to be able to stop Jerome Bettis, Jamaal Lewis and Corey Dillion
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Knight got lost in a cave so lets help him come out to light of day by learning to love our newest Browns member Myles Garrett.
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I simply don't get it . . . . having a preference to draft a QB is one thing. Even if that's a tremendous reach in what is considered a weak QB class .... but to trash a player and fabricate stuff in the process. Mindless.
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Sorry but im tired of losing
picking Garrett will most likely be Jackson punching his ticket out of town. I don't see how he takes anything other then QB....there is no way he can win anything with the Qb on our roster...its just not gonna happen...Kessler, Hogan are trash, Osweiler could maybe be average if we even keep him....
you can't win in the NFL without QB play.
Garrett isn't a sure thing by any means, and neither is any of the QB..BUT if the QB pans out, it changes EVERYTHING for us...Garrett will not translate to wins....sometimes you have to gamble...in order to win.
PS: Yes, The Texans finally won a playoff game this year without that #1 overall pick Williams....
We will just wait till April and see
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picking Garrett will most likely be Jackson punching his ticket out of town.
Based on what?
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The AFC North has 4-3 DE's? News to me! Here I thought they pretty much ran all 3-4 defenses.
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Look I want a QB as bad as anyone on this board, and I know if we don't take Trubisky (My Favorite) at #1 we might lose our chance for him, but this kid is the best player in this draft and I would expect and believe the Browns will take Garrett first, and as much as want Trubisky, picking Garrett is the right choice ... JMHO
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There is a difference between needing a quarterback and the value of a quarterback prospect.
Yes we need a quarterback. No doubt.
Are any of the quarterbacks in this draft worthy of being the first pick in the draft?
By most who study draft the selection process - no.
If one of the quarterbacks in this draft class stood out they would be in the discussion as the best player from the most important position. They are not.
Nobody is a sure thing.
Garrett is the top ranked player. A consensus choice.
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Mario Williams hasn't been on the Texans for like 5 years..
The hell are you talking about?
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Mario Williams hasn't been on the Texans for like 5 years..
The hell are you talking about? Just look at the impact Bosa made last year to the Chargers... different Defense with him playing. Of course now I need to go look at some game stats to justify saying that  ... but from memory ....
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Mario Williams hasn't been on the Texans for like 5 years..
The hell are you talking about? Just look at the impact Bosa made last year to the Chargers... different Defense with him playing. Of course now I need to go look at some game stats to justify saying that ... but from memory .... Yeah, well, think how much better they would of been had they traded up for Jared Goff!
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you can't win in the NFL without QB play. Trent Dilfer might disagree with you. As could Peyton Manning in his last season. But, seriously, I have asked you this before. Which QB should we reach for at #1 that will save this franchise?
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you can't win in the NFL without QB play. Trent Dilfer might disagree with you. As could Peyton Manning in his last season. But, seriously, I have asked you this before. Which QB should we reach for at #1 that will save this franchise? That's the best part. He's not even saying any of these QBs are GOOD. He's saying IF they MIGHT be good.. you have to take them over the other position you KNOW is good..
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Lets draft 5 QB's !! It increases our odds of getting a good one for sure.
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For what it's worth..........Bosa was Defensive Rookie of the Year despite missing all that time.
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you can't win in the NFL without QB play. Trent Dilfer might disagree with you. As could Peyton Manning in his last season. But, seriously, I have asked you this before. Which QB should we reach for at #1 that will save this franchise? That's the best part. He's not even saying any of these QBs are GOOD. He's saying IF they MIGHT be good.. you have to take them over the other position you KNOW is good.. There's a plan for success.
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Sorry but im tired of losing So, your solution toward resolving this is to waste the top pick by reaching for a QB that shouldn't be looked at before the 2nd round?
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Sorry but im tired of losing So, your solution toward resolving this is to waste the top pick by reaching for a QB that shouldn't be looked at before the 2nd round? Has to come out and say it when asked directly, but, yes, I think that is his solution.
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