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What? I said I have been pleased w/what the FO has done this year.

I don't like this year's OL draft class. I absolutely love this year's defensive draft class.

I am glad the FO improved the OL this off-season.

I like how extending Bitonio now has an asterisk to it.

Keep on pushing.

Would Schwartz be as successful in Hue's scheme as he was in Shanny's? Is Schwartz more of a power guy, or a finesse guy? Or is he like Mack, where he can probably play in just about any scheme and still do well?

Not trying to build an argument, just trying to maybe gain a little extra understanding behind that decision.

I don't know. He's just a good RT. He struggled at times early in his career, but he was PFF's top RT in 2015 for a reason.

All I know is that I wish he was still on the team.

I honestly blame his struggles on Norv Turner.

His offense is basically designed to make your OL look like crap.

Dang mac, you finally snap out of it and make a good post and then your very next post goes back to the Schwartz topic where you repeat ad nausium all the very same things you've REPEATED a hundred times already.

The one new wrinkle you mention is paying so much for a RG which you then used to lead yourself right back into the same old Schwartz argument, and then finished it up, (because you know it needed to be said), they could have/should have signed Pryor this year but are not forward thinking enough to get it done.

Yeah, we know.

Schwartz can do both well in my opinion.

And the bottom line is Schwartz didn't really want to play for the Browns and went looking elsewhere.

Seriously?

Let me ask you, if you feel there may be better offers somewhere else, will you not explore those options before signing another contract where you currently work? Are you going to agree to a salary at less than you might make elsewhere? Especially considering there is a clause in your contract allowing you to do so?

That makes zero sense. It's funny how he came back here to sign the contract and you seem to forget that.

Look, I don't go around here attacking the FO. They had basically zero experience last year and they had lessons to learn. I get that. That however doesn't mean our fans should give them a free pass when they do make mistakes. This was a mistake they made.

A lot of people don't post objectively. They take one extreme side or the other.

He was only said to have visited one team, the KC Chiefs, where his brother had played.

This is just my opinion, but I think that his brother really talked up the Chiefs, and actually winning, and so Mitchell went to hear what they had to say. He listened, and decided that he wanted to stay in Cleveland. (for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was that his fiance was from Cleveland) Schwartz didn't even wait till free agency officially opened before he decided to return, only to find that the Browns had pulled the deal. Because of that, he took the Chiefs deal. (which they actually left on the table)

Now this is all speculation, but it is based on actual facts.

What does it say about the odd decisions coming from the Browns front office when a reporter for our arch-rival looks at what is happening in Cleveland and wonders, what the hell are the Browns doing?...


Kenny Britt Seems A Familiar And Unwelcome Move


BY MATTHEW MARCZI MARCH 17, 2017 AT 08:13 AM
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The Cleveland Browns saw a breakout campaign from wide receiver Terrelle Pryor during the 2016 season, during which he gained over 1000 receiving yards in spite of the fact that he was targeted by no fewer than five different quarterbacks, and was even asked to throw a few passes himself—he was, of course, a former quarterback.

Following his breakout year, instead of re-signing him and watching him develop in his second full campaign as a wide receiver, the Browns chose to replace him with Kenny Britt, a 28-year-old former first-round draft pick who, while finding some success last year and over the length of his career, has undoubtedly plateaued.

This unfortunately reminds me of several moves from previous Browns regimes that did not work out well, during which they have chosen to replace promising younger prospects of their own in order to sign veteran replacements at the same position, as when they allowed T.J. Ward to leave while signing Donte Whitner to replace him.

Britt is no slouch, of course, and he did have arguably his best season a year ago, even if it isn’t saying a whole lot, recording his first 1000-yard season in his nine years and catching at least five touchdown passes for the second time.

This was all with sub-par play at the quarterback position, it should be noted, but the fact of the matter is that nobody could rival the Browns during the 2016 season in sub-par quarterback play, so if we were to compare the two based on that factor, Pryor would have the advantage anyway.



The most perplexing facet of this exchange is the fact that Pryor didn’t exactly sign for a blockbuster contract. He was given just a one-year contract by Washington that is worth a maximum of $8 million, and that is including $2 million in incentives.

Those incentives will not be givens, either, though some he will no doubt reach. They related to receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns, with escalating values. To put it simply, to earn the full $2 million, he would need to record 80 receptions for 1250 yards and 10 touchdowns. He was short of all of those marks last year, but would have earned $750,000 worth of those incentives.

The Browns, meanwhile, gave Britt, who will be 29 in September, a four-year contract worth $32.5 million—or just over $8 million per season on average, with $10.5 million guaranteed at signing and another $6.5 guaranteed should he reach 2018.

Were I to choose between the two, I would take the developmental Pryor on a one-year contract over Britt, who has already established his identity, and, essentially, his ceiling, at the position, for a four-year contract. Unless they had another reason for not re-signing him, it seems to me wasteful to have put in the effort to develop him at the position that just got him paid.

Yeah, we're all interested in what a Steelers website has to say. Remarkably, it sounds a lot like your posts.

Why didn't Steelers pursue?

They make it sound like Britt is this old guy replacing Pryor. They are like 6 months different in age.

Another media group jumping on the bandwagon thumping the Browns. It is what rivals do! It certainly be a breath of fresh air Cleveland media took a similar initiative. It is so easy joining the herd writing about Cleveland's faux pas!

Pryor is such an unique case. I can see why clubs are little apprehensive. At 27 years old what does Terrelle bring to the table a 22-24 year old cannot at half the price? It is why I am a little shocked Pryor's agent was so adamant.

Pryor must become a top 5 receiver this year to be taken serious. In my opinion it will be a tall order in Washington. I am not sure Terrelle has the counterparts to help make that happen.

You can always make things look bad if you ignore the actual sequence of events that don't fit your narrative.

I agree with the article as far as Britt vs TP goes ... I don't blame our FO for TP .. but Britt is not good at all .. we WAY OVERPAID for him ...

U guys are going to be HIGHLY DISSAPOINTED in Britt ...

He is a yinzer with a mullet nuff said

Bowe 2.0

I am not a huge fan of the Britt signing, but this overstating it a little bit. Bowe was a complete waste of time the minute we signed him. I think Britt will contribute, just not on the level some (most?) are expecting.

If only they signed Pryor to a big contract and let Bitonio and Collins walk, not trade for Brock, and not signed FA Tretter and Zeitler Browns look better and made more a football move. Am I more understanding you correctly? I don't think you are but you're championing the idea.

The Britt move came after Pryor refused the original contract. I guess I still don't understand why Browns needed to pay Pryor several million more than 31 other teams were willing. After all they signed a 8 year veteran who produced equal numbers last year for less. This is key. They both produced equal numbers for ONE year.

Eight years experience vs one is huge. Pryor was not able to produce at a equal level throughout the year. You can have lows but not a continuous decline.

I am hoping Britt is not the main guy next year. I want Coleman to make the jump. Both Higgins and Louis had outstanding YAC numbers in college. Last year YAC was nonexistent and big flaw in the passing game. Browns will fare much better having 4 or 5 guys produce instead of 1 or 2.

Yes, there was some hyperbole involved. lol

I get the reference.

More likely Pryors agent

Terrelle Pryor wanted a one-year deal

He opted for a one-year deal with Washington.

“It’s something that we asked for, myself and my agents, for a one-year deal,” Pryor told Dan Patrick

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/15/terrelle-pryor-wanted-a-one-year-deal/

Another Conspiracy Therory shot down!

There you go, you might have nailed it.

What would Pryor know about it?

mac, how much did the front office wanted Pryot? They offered a 4 year contract. Not a bad deal for a 28 yo who just switched positions.

When the Pryor deal looked like it might not happen, FO covered options getting Britt. If Pryor did take the deal, Pryor was the lead playing a the veteran role.

I did like the idea re-signing Pryor. I can see what Pryor wanted. I equally see the front office needing to cover.

It's not that Sashi couldn't have cut a 1 year contract, it's simply they didn't want to. And I don't blame them one single bit. They extended a more than fair offer to Pryor, one he frankly didn't earn, but they extended it anyway. Clearly this FO isn't interested in signing players to 1 year "show me" contracts. They are looking at getting some kind of commitment in return for their investment.

What's rather quite tragically funny about your twisted criticism of Sashi is that if Sashi HAD signed Pryor to the same deal he signed with Washington, you'd be on here blasting Sashi for yet one more example if his ego preventing him from showing any loyalty to a player and his inability to get a deal done.

SMH

I think Gregg Williams knows more than any of us.

I am willing to defer, but I hope it's not Bowe 2.0

We will have to wait until the season is over and compare the records.

To be fair, lets wait and compare Pryors numbers to Britts numbers, assuming neither gets hurt to the point they miss more than say 2 games. That is a big enough sample you could make a fair compairson, taking in to account missed time.

We weren't looking to sign him to a 1 year deal. That makes no sense for us at this point. Like someone else said, had we done that, you would be complaing about that.

How in the world can you say Pryor didn't earn that contract offer, especially when they gave Britt almost the same amount of money?

Everything has to be taken to the extremes on this board. You got a couple of guys bashing the FO for every move they make and dozens and dozens of guys who defend every move the FO makes.

How did Pryor earn a 10 mil + salary? He was looking for more than what the market could bare. He couldn't get it anywhere.. His agent priced him off the Browns roster plain and simple, It was his agent 's doing Pryor is not a Brown today. The FO has made plenty of mistakes so far but Swartz last year and Pryor this year signing elsewhere isn't their fault.

Do you have a link that says we offered him $10 million a year?

Pryor insisted on seeing his worth in FA. I blame the agent for it ending poorly for us. But still seems the desired bidding war never materialized, and an attempt was made to ratchet up his price (different than his worth in my eyes) looks like an epic fail. We did enough to keep him IMO; I put no stock in his "Love Cleveland; wanna stay" and such. I think we were generous and he moved to a dumpster fire. He got paid, may well have a good year and it may be for less money than offered. This is on his agent.

Just another guy to beat now.