DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Pryor Signs with Skins ... Chapter 2

Nobody/nothing is infallible. However, I stand by my previous post...

Great. And I stand by mine.

Btw.......are you saying mac is not trustworthy? Just wondering?

I'm not going down that road...

Yeah, except you were the one who started it by bringing up GM. It was like you were baiting me to diss him. Poor taste, 32.

That was a thinly-veiled reference to GM. Wasn't me who initiated it...

I explained myself. It was NOT an attack on GM and I sure as hell don't appreciate you implying it was. People are told things. They repeat them. That is not an indictment on the messenger, but rather than on those who made the initial comments. Please stop trying to cause trouble.

Oh, and I forgot...........people have been repeating it as a "fact." It's not a fact.

Ah geez...you're kidding, right? Good night...

No, I am not kidding. Your act is obvious and old. Good night.

*Hands Vers a mirror*

I haven't blamed either side, GM!

I have, but then again I am biased. TP is all about me, me, me. Do I blame him for that.... nope But people need to realize life is not all about money. Hell he would have been set for life had he signed the four year offer but his greed got in the way. HOWEVER it does not mean I have to like it s I expect players to be loyal to the Browns.

If we were better than 1-15 I think he might have stayed.

He comes across (to me) as a guy that only cares about getting paid big money. It might not be the only thing he cares about, but seems to be the driving force.

But he also signed with a better team, that barely missed the playoffs.

I think it's a wash.

Not sure why all the bitterness and finger pointing here ..

- TP thinks hes worth x ....
- no one including us offers him anything near x ....
- TP decides to turn down a 4 year 32 million dollar offer from us to roll the dice on a one year deal ...
- that decision pretty much eliminates us from the viable option list ... we don't have a very good QB situation .... Washington was the best situation in the league to walk into ... a QB on a one year deal in year 3 or 4 In an offense with a HC that knows how to pass the ball and a real good TE and #2 or slot reciever to take coverage off him ...

On the bright side ... there's actually worse spots to go to than ours ...

- SF ... 1st year in a new system for the entire team ... although with Hoyer ... crap ... maybe i need to re-thing the bright side portion ... *L* ... umm ... lets see here ...

The jets ... they really stunk and somehow have went backwords ... there's 1 at least ... *L* ...

Denver may be as bad as here ... a whole new system and neither QB as it stands now showed much last year under an O with a very good offensive mind running it ... we'll see how much either of them improves ... they need to outbid Houston for Romo ... nothing else makes sense ... there window is wide open right now ... bit it started to shut the last two years .. they need to be bold now .... and a QB like Romo could make a huge difference there ....

Chicago's situation looks pretty bleak for this year also ... there another team that may pull the trigger at 3 ... Glennon's deal is basically a one year deal ... not sure how much GAURANTEED money there is after year 1 ... i know its not a ton ... they lost Jeffery ... it'll be Glennon's first year in the system ... a bad OL ...

Anyhow ... just not sure why there has to be blame here ... the way it worked out .... Washington was the dream scenario for him .... our offer was very fair .... he just thought way more of himself than anyone was willing to pay and decided to bet on himself ....

*shrugs* .... it happens .... sometimes thats just how the cookie crumbles ...

I understand your thinking. However I don't believe the players see or get loyalty from NFL teams. So to me, life is a two way street. Players generally have a short career. I can't blame them for going after what they perceive as the best way to get the most money. NFL teams follow that same path.

To me, they either put their team first, or their family first. I've always favored my family over the company I work for. Always...

Therein lies the rub.
Most of us were born and raised Browns fans and the team feels like family to us.
The players family are strangers to us with no emotional connection to them except through the player.

4 year 32 million with 17 million guaranteed takes care of your family much better than 1 year 8 million with only 6 million guaranteed bro.

Indeed it does.

It's hard to beat the best offer when the best offer is your offer.

I get the fact that he wants to prove it this year and get a hue contract next season ... but it's a big risk (both injury wise and production wise). WRs rely heavily on others for success

Do you mean that he is back with us next season, or is that a typo?

freudian slip

And it's hard to improve as a team when you lose your best players.

Assigning blame fixes nothing. It changes nothing.

Who gives a rat's butt about Pryor now? There are quite a few of you ripping him and going on and on about him, but why do you care about Terrelle Pryor? I think it's a mentality of "we gotta defend the everything the Browns do or don't do and we gotta say it over and over again so others believe it, too."

Frankly, I could care less about Pryor. I don't care if he sucks eggs next year and doesn't get big money.

What I do care about is the Browns and their won/loss record. In my opinion, the Browns are a worse team w/out him than they would be w/him and no amount of homeristic deflection changes that.

It would be nice to see Pryor fall flat on his face, since players have no loyalty and have a me first I feel no loyalty for them to do well, if they are not a Browns they are the enemy.

I don't think that's necessarily the right approach either. A FO can cut players all the time and not remain loyal to the contract they offered a players someone.

It goes both ways.

I don't understand this argument on many levels ...

1. The man can't take care of his family on 6 million? ... if not, i doubt 26 million more is going to help ... *L* ..... but if u want to play that game ....

2. 52 million with 25 GAURANTEED takes care of your family much better than 4 years with 17 mill GAURANTEED ...

So whats your point ...

The man is confident in his ability and gambled on himself .... hes still making 6 million dollars minimum this year ... u guys act like he turned down 32 million for 100k .... sheesh ...

And whats his DOWNSIDE for a contract next year ... barring injury hes going to make 5, 6 mill a year over those last 3 years anyhow .... lets say he get 5 mill a year ... thats 15 mill + let say he meets no incentives this year so he gets 6 ... thats still 21 million ... so barring injuries ... that 32 to 6 or 8 spread is IRRELIVENT ....

What?! Pryor's no longer on the team?

Damn, first I heard of it.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

And yet here we are. In the thread about Terrelle Pryor.

What's a Terrelle Pryor?

Thanks for deliberately taking the meaning of my post out of context. That is always productive and leads to good discussion.

Barring injury, barring injury.... Ask these guys who were in the IR list last season if they barred injury LOL

http://www.footballdb.com/transactions/injured-reserve.html

Your going to talk to me about injuries .. gimme a break .... your usually the most reasonable poster on the board ... no clue why your so upset that TP gambled on himself ... its not like u to dig in like that ... oh well ... we all have our moments ... some just have more than others .. *LOL* ...

Your going to bring up injuries to me ... a lil refresher ...

WAY BACK WHEN the discussion first started .... i said JG had more value than about 98% of the folks on the board thought he had to BB cause of all the injuries to QB's ... I've also posted many times how injuries have DECIMATED THE QUALITY of NFL football ... last year when everyone was whining about our injuries .... i kept pointing out there's teams that have had more injuries and a lot of teams had way more damaging injuries .... look what happend to Minni .. holy crap ...

I've said for the last 5 or 6 years its not whose the best team in the nfl its who can stay the healthiest ... or is the healthiest at the time of the playoffs ... so don't tell me about injuries ....

You seemed awful upset the man gambled on himself ... not sure how that hurts u ... but u sure are taking it personal bro ... cause we both know once he made up his mind not to take the 17 mill GAURANTEED that re-signing here was not quite on the bottom of the list ... but it was a main resident in that neighborhood ... *L* ..

Who is upset? Not me.



In our case those are called Senior moments bro

There is no way to factor that Mac. Or maybe there is. Mack broke his leg. Maybe that is why we let him walk? Didn't he break it again with the Falcons?

Maybe the guy is brittle.

They didn't let Mack walk.. It was obvious from his initial FA period that he was doing everything possible to leave Cleveland. You may be right though.. they may have known something about his bone strength, though it is not unusual for OL to have a lot of leg injuries.

I know we didn't just let him walk....he walked away on his brittle legs all by himself.

I realize that opinions override facts on this board, but:



The Browns should have never let him walk.

I read the above posts with heavy doses of sarcasm.