DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns' starting QB battle might be Cody Kessler vs. a rookie

Did you read what you wrote?

You wrote: "I think he is a back-up qb." Then you wrote: "Frankly, I hope that Kessler never starts a regular season game again for the Browns."

So the question really is, why in the HELL would you want a freakin BACK UP QB you think should never start? That was my question. Not that you would wish injury on your starting QB. Holy crap is it dense in here.

Yes, I did read what I wrote.

You see that word "hope?" Why in the hell would I wish my starting qb to be injured?

You're just being difficult and looking for a fight.

You have called me dense and now you roll your eyes at me AFTER I explained my reasoning.

What you are saying makes absolutely no sense. What I am saying makes perfect sense.

Let's move to the OL to illustrate my point.

Joe Thomas is our starting LT. Spencer Drango is the backup LT on the depth chart according to ESPN.

If I were to say that I think Spencer Drango is a backup, are you really telling me that you would want him to start instead of Joe Thomas? Seriously?

You need to drop your little game because you are making yourself look bad.

You're being deliberately obtuse for whatever reason. I suppose it's because I asked you a question about something you said that made no sense. But it's ridiculous to have a backup if you don't feel he's capable of starting a game, filling in if the starter goes down for more than a week. That's the point. So why would you want Kessler as your back up, if you don't feel he's good enough to start? How can you call him a backup if he's not good enough to step in?

That's not the same as saying you hope your starter never gets hurt. No one ever wants the starter to get hurt. No one ever wants the back up to play. That doesn't mean he's not going to. So if he is, he better be capable of stepping in. Some feel, me among them, that he won't get there. So what is the point of keeping him as a backup, if he doesn't have the tools to lead the team if he's called on to do so?

That's the question. Why have Kessler as the backup if he's incapable of starting?

IMHO, I hope he's not on the team in September. I'd rather have Peterman or Osweiller, or practically anyone else out there.

JMHO

You are making things up in order to save face. It's too late. And the more you talk, the more silly you look.

Show me where I said he was incapable of starting.

I said I thought he was a back up qb.

I also said I hope he never starts.

You were trying to cause trouble and you fell flat on your face.

What am I making up, exactly? I'm not trying save face, I didn't fall anywhere. It's a simple question. Why would you want him as your backup if you don't ever want him to start? When was the last time a Browns Starting QB finished the season? If you don't think Kessler has the tools to start, why have him backing up anyone? Do you think he should be our backup, or not?

Do you want Drango to start at LT?

Answer that and you might finally get the point I was making.

And Cal.........are you really telling me YOU know what I was thinking more than I do?

That's a different question than do I mind Drango as the backup? I don't have a problem with Drango as the backup. I also don't think we have a viable backup in Kessler. Two different questions. If you don't want to answer, that's ok. But having Kessler as a backup makes no sense if he's incapable of starting at some point during the season.

Have a good night.

How is one backup different from the next.

I'm saying both are backups.

I don't want either to start.

WTH is so freaking hard to understand.

Oh, and I am not shaming you...........you are doing that all by yourself.

Go ahead and get your last word in, but I am done w/your nonsense.

You don't need smokescreen when you have the #1 overall pick. In fact, teams have negotiated with picks, weeks beforehand in years past.

If I had a dollar for every time I read on here that the team is going to save up collateral for next year and make the big score, I'd be rich.

The team hasn't done such a thing in 20 years, unless you consider it, "Trent Richardson", or maybe " Kelllen Winslow Jr" on their draft day.

So, What evidence is there to support that that might be the teams intention?

That's true -- but this is different, I am sure we don't want to give up our #1 pick.

This is about Cleveland having so much draft collateral that they are playing the game to minimize what they pay (possibly) ... and who knows, maybe they are interested in Cousins - that makes sense to me, I think he's a top 15 - top 10 QB in the league. I don't believe they could ever be interested in Geno - in a million years. I'd take Kessler OR Hogan over him.

Normally teams don't have a luxury of multiple high value draft picks to offer. Normally it's a bit more black and white because of the limited negotiating pieces. . . So this is different and 'new' in my eyes.

If it's Kessler vs Rookie, and we drafted the rookie before the 3rd round, start the rookie.

If he's not good enough to beat Kessler out, then we shouldn't have drafted him.

"But having Kessler as a backup makes no sense if he's incapable of starting at some point during the season".

If I recall correctly, When McCown, RG3, and Kessler couldn't go, last season, they had to get whomever off the street during the middle of the season,
That time it was Charlie Whitehurst.

Now Whitehurst's abilities notwithstanding, I don't like seeing the option of Whomever's available to sign midseason, as the Browns' starter;

therefore, Kessler, even if he has to be a backup, makes some sense, to keep around.

ON the Thread topic,
only certainty, (almost certain)

Not going to be RG3. Not going to be Manziel.
Not going to be McCown.

Any and Every other quarterback that might possibly manifest, is a possibility.

Which, is not much to hang your hat on , as a Browns fan.

(That and, Some reports say, " Kessler is going to be the Starter". yet, Every QB that ever held a clipboard and stil can run on two legs in the NFL is rumored to be headed to Cleveland to "start". )

The other 3 AFC North teams know who.

You often confuse me, Throw.

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Thanks

Racist.


Just kidding. LOL

I know most people got the joke, but I gotta make sure tab doesn't blow his top again.

Just above you Pdawg posted a working link.

Nah it was obvious...lol

Sounds like some of my players as I doodle and they look at their name and there is this big black mess next to their name...lol

I saw this earlier today. Kessler looks a little bit more fit than he did during the season. Or he got a haircut. One of the two.

Nothing like bench players getting along to really warm the heart.

Or, possible free agents after they get cut.

Oh my..........I better add I'm just joking. I don't want Cody's Roadies to freak out.

I agree with this and I thought he played well. It certainly didn't help that the pocket was always collapsing and he had to escape. No weapons, no offensive line, no anything. Whatever QB we go with, it is a positive that the O-line has been addressed, this changes a lot IMO.

The ultimate plan I always go with is building up the offensive line, defense, get weapons. Then plug in your QB of best choice. If you have a team like that and the QB Still struggles you clearly know who's fault it is. That's one of the hardest things for me to evaluate. A QB that has a suspect O-line and other players on offense. Through experience you can see when someone has it but having good people makes a difference.

The problem with building up the pieces on the team is most of them have to be completely correct sound decisions. I am encouraged by the free agent activity but when it comes to the draft I am always suspect of the front office. Who wouldn't be? You can have the game manager in place with the good team around him until you find the game changer.

I see we are visiting Planet Delusional again.

Classy

All generalizations are bad

Well played.

I imagined this has already been brought up. But with our upgraded offensive line, I'd bet alot of quarterbacks would fair well throwing behind these guys. Assuming the extra time they will get it would help even the slower decisive qb's. Kessler would definitely improve upon last year and we might win a couple more games. But I'd rather have a more suitable franchise guy with more talent under center and light it up all day. But kessler deserves a shot as he wont throw games away and would be a good game manager with experience.

The line was fine for most part of the year. The QBs just held onto the ball for way too long. Constantly. Both McCown and Kessler. They cost Joe Thomas his all-pro spot. Despicable.

Listen up , all y'all!
I'm not saying it again: Cody does not have a strong enough arm to be a legit starter. I hope he proves me wrong but I doubt he will.

I definitely agree with the arm strength and playing in the afc north, we all know that arm strength is a definite plus in this divsion. But i can name a few who had great or even mvp season with a weak arm too that actually flourished in the cold. Just saying!

This.

In the past couple of days I have seen posts on this board that state (1) Kessler will improve as he gets another season under his belt, and (2) Wentz was below average after his first 5 games because other teams "figured him out."

Do Kessler's talents transcend those of NFL D-coordinators? Can they not "figure him out"? What exactly has he shown that makes him so special?

He is easy to game plan against as we cannot use the whole play book when he is in the game. He has shown neither the capability or stones to go deep with his throws. Stack the box, take away the run, and force noodle arm to beat you with with medium to long throws.

If he is our starter next year, we will be drafting first again.

I can tell you this, There isnt going to be any remake of the louie louie song for a cody cody version anytime soon. So if were planning on him as our best option in 2017, it's probably going to be another long year, dawgs. But ive learned patience is a virtue and it might just take one more year to land our franchise guy. So if kessler does start I'm going to hope for the best and try and put some faith in some of the positives he does have(few) and hope he proves most of us wrong.