DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Cole: Browns, 49ers could be destination in trade for Kirk Cousins

I happened to hear that. He also said that, by getting Hoyer and Garcon, the 49ers are actually trying to win. What the . . .

Cowherd even acknowledged that we fixed the O-Line but still says we are "legally tanking" like the Lakers are doing.

He seems very (over) confident that Sam Darnold won't be in next year's draft too.

Anderson only had one good year though, Cousins has been able to consistently perform at a high level in back to back years. That pretty much makes him a safe bet, one easily worth our #1

However, i think its a pipe dream. why would Washington trade him? Its so hard to fill the QB position, and they have no one else. It just simply makes no sense for them to trade him.

As for Jimmy G, regardless of my personal opinion, i simply don't think NE wants to trade him. Brady is 40, he is one hit away from being hurt, and if he gets hurt, they have no one else...the other backup is simply not ready, and Bellichik doesn't tank seasons...expectations are what they are.

Garrapolo is Bellichik's insurance policy this year in case Brady goes down for some reason, and this whole thing will be re-visted by them at years end. They could still make the playoffs with jimmy just because he knows NE system. It wouldn't be smart of NE to trade him and have no one else who can play if the starter gets hurt, for that reason alone, its doubtful NE parts with Jimmy, its the one part of their roster they need the depth...if Brady was 32 it would be a whole other matter, but he isn't...I think NE stays pat with Jimmy another year.

In no certain terms would I trade the #1 overall pick (in any draft) for Cousins, and I think he's good.

But to answer your question.

Uh. Yeah they would trade him for it. Without a doubt.

They'd then auction it off to the highest bidder as soon is the trade is final.

They can't get him to sign a longterm deal which is why they've had to franchise Cousins two years in a row. They can't franchise him a 3rd time (unless the rules have changed). So, Washington will most likely lose Cousins for nothing next offseason (well, they'll get a compensatory pick the following year based on the contract Cousins signs elsewhere).

Trading Cousins now gets them something, which will be a big something, before losing him next year.

Ahh well that makes more sense then. I wasn't aware they franchised him the year before.

With this deaft being so heavy in D, if Washington actually would take #1 for Cousins, i think you have to do it.

Cousins > then Garrett, and the talent drop off on pass rushers isn't huge after Garrett. Sure Garret could be said to be the best one, but there are a lot of other guys we could take that could come in and do very very well for us to.

this just simply comes down to value.

Cousins = Long term Qb, potential Franchise QB

Garrett - Franchise DE, premier pass rusher

its a tough call, but even looking at last year Super Bowl, look at any winning team in the league...they all have consistent QB play.

I believe if the Browns could solve their Qb problems, our D would fix it self. We have a lot more talent on D then folks give us credit for. They have just not been used correctly, and spend way too much time on the field due to a lack of offense and poor QB play.

Cousins would be an upgrade to both of these areas.

Of course San Fran will probably give up their entire draft for Cousins, so its a pipe dream anyways

How many QBs in the league are better than Kirk Cousins?

Good question. I'd probably put him somewhere near the bottom of this list:

1) Tom Brady
2) Aaron Rogers
3) Rothlessburger
4) Cam Newton
5) Russel Wilson
6) Carson Palmer
7) Drew Brees
8) Matt Ryan
9) Andrew Luck
10) Matthew Stafford
11) Derek Carr
12) Philip Rivers
13) Dak Prescott
14) Jameis Winston
15) Marcus Mariota
16) Alex Smith
17) Eli Manning
18) Joe Flacco
19) Andy Dalton

Where would you put him? Ahead of Dalton? Smith? How high would you go?

It's hard to land on a specific number for something so objective. I think Cousins is in the 10-15 grouping. I'd want to trade for him, but I'm not selling the farm (meaning, the #1 overall). Maybe #12 and some two's. And there would have to be an extension ready to be signed as well.

I agree. I don't know that I can put him ahead of Carr, Prescott, Mariota or Winston based on the sample size, but he could be right there.

I will take a stab at that question. I'm not talking about comparing careers. I am talking about right now.

Rodgers
Brady
Ben
Brees
Rivers
Ryan
Carr [probably]
Luck [debatable]

One could argue for Stafford and Cam, but I don't think so. I question whether Carr is because almost no one has more talent around him than he does.

Now, if we look at that list and think down the road.

Brees, Ben, Rivers, and Brady are getting older.

I don't see why anyone affiliated w/the Browns would not want Cousins as their qb if a trade could be worked out.

I like Cousins too. But I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Mitch Trubisky.

I know some will say I am crazy and it is subjective, so I want to include this:

In 2015, Cousins finished 5th in QB Rating at 101.6.

In 2016, he finished 7th at 97.2.

His two year totals rivals is better than any qb in the league other than Brady. Hmmmm.......Brees is right there, too. Ooopps. Brees was 6th and 5th, while Cousins was 5th and 7th.

That is a nice two year run by a qb that Brown's fans [of all people] are dissing.

I better provide the links for those two years:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/passing.htm


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/passing.htm

For just one season I would take a lot of guys over him. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Newton, Ryan, Carr, Rivers, Mariota, and Luck.

For the next several years I would take Rodgers, Wilson, Newton, Ryan, Carr, Mariota, Luck, Wentz, and Winston.

To me, Cousins is on the same level as Stafford and Manning.

The biggest problem with the Cousins trade is that he (reported-rumoured) apparently was hesitant to sign his Franchise tag because he didn't want to be traded to Cleveland. If we give up what it will take to get Cousins him staying has to be contingent, and if what is being reported is true then that probably isn't going to happen.

JG might hate Cleveland but you still have two years of franchise tags to change his mind. With Cousins it's a one and done deal......tough to give up the asking price without a commit from Cousins that likely isn't coming.

I wonder how much of his success is system based, and if he could carry that success to a new team. But you sure can't argue with the numbers the past two years.

Considering Gruden and Hue run the same offence/system that would be irrelevant as it relates to the Browns.

Not saying he wouldn't fit or succeed here. Particularly with a decent O-line, and a good running game. He plays well out of play action.

Is this true?

I would assume based on them both being from Cincy as OCs that they are at least similar.

Some verbiage might be different.

hes not going anywhere ... not til next year .... and even then u may see Bill Or Bruce Allen gone just so Cousins will stay ...

This one is far from over ... but it's done til after next season ...

I think the passing game are similar for both, but Hue favors more of a physical running game, where Gruden might employ more West Coast principles.

I don't think it would be much of an adjustment for Cousins to move from Washington to Cleveland in terms of the offensive styles.

'Browns not expected to make a run at Kirk Cousins, but 3 other teams have and were shot down'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on March 14, 2017 at 7:00 PM, updated March 15, 2017 at 3:26 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns aren't expected to make a run at Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins, but three other teams have over the past 10 days or so and were immediately turned down, a league source told cleveland.com.

Profootballtalk.com reported today that "per a league source, there's a growing belief in some circles that the Browns will try to acquire Cousins via trade.''

But that's not expected to happen because of the high compensation it would take to get Cousins, and because of the high salary he would command. The Browns would likely have to give up their No. 12 pick this year and most likely at least a first-rounder next year.

In addition, they'd probably have to make any deal contingent upon a multi-year extension, because they wouldn't want to give up all those draft assets to rent Cousins for one year at $23.94 million, the franchise tender he signed on Friday.

But three other teams have tried to trade for Cousins in the last 10 days or so and were quickly shot down, a source said.

That's consistent with what Cousins told ESPN's Adam Schefter on a podcast Tuesday in which he denied the report that he asked Redskins owner Dan Snyder to trade him.

"I'm not sure how it got out, but I did just inquire as to Mr. Snyder and to Bruce Allen if there was any interest in trading me just to get an understanding of their perspective,'' Cousins said on the podcast, via The Washington Times. "And the answer I got back was Mr. Snyder communicated his belief in me and his desire for me to remain a Redskin and his desire to help me by surrounding the quarterback position with all the players and coaches that you need to succeed, and that's the kind of message you want to hear from the owner of your team."

Another source said Cousins has expressed to teammates that he's excited about the coming season and the chance to work with former Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor.

Likewise, the Browns are not believed to be interested in former Jets quarterback Geno Smith despite an NFL Network report to the contrary.

The Browns will still try to make a run at Patriots QB Jimmy Garoppolo, and if they can't land him, they'll turn their attention to other veterans such as Cincinnati's AJ McCarron, who played for Hue Jackson in Cincinnati.

Bengals owner Mike Brown probably won't want to trade McCarron to his AFC North rivals, but would probably at least discuss it with Jackson, with whom he has a great relationship. Brown tried to keep Jackson in Cincinnati to eventually succeed Marvin Lewis, but Jackson opted for the Browns job instead.

The Browns are also studying all the top prospects in the draft, including Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes and DeShone Kizer.

I don't want nothing to do with Kirk.

Price is bloated. Find our own. Not Watson.

So... you do want something to do with Kirk?

If the Redskins are willing to part with Cousins and want our #1 to do it, you do it...No question

Hue Jackson and this front office will be fired at the end of this coming year if they don't turn things around. Our Onwer is not patient.

Drafting Garrett certianly means "starting over" again and setting us farther back...if we had a more patient owner, and our team was better i'd be ok with drafting Garrett, but thats simply not the case.

We need a QB...our entire franchise depends on it, our coaches jobs here depend on it, i am SICK AND TIRED of starting over every two years.

Cousins will be able to play at a high level, even if he is an above average QB, he will buy Jackson and compnay another 3-4 years to fill out our roaster and get us competitive so were not playing musical coaches every two years.

If we go into the season with what we have at Qb and take Garrett #1 overall, Hue Jackson might as well pack his bags in October.

I think the Redksins would move Cousins for the right price, i'd easily give two firsts for Cousins...he would be the best Qb Cleveland has had since...kosar....Since Graham...he is a franchise QB, a guy you cna build your team around, a guy who will win games...i'd easily give them two #1 for that...considering we have no QB at all.

im sick of this non competitive trash we have put on the field the better part of 15 years...

In the report where Cousins signed the offer, it was stated that one reason he was reluctant to do so was the possibility he be traded to Cleveland. If true, then do we do so anyway if given the opportunity? To play a year and move on?

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/forums/1/1/pure-football-forum

I'd truly rather gamble on a QB in the draft than to start sending away top picks for Kirk. Yes, he'd be one of the better QBs we've had no question, but I'm not prepared to send multiple first rounders and etc for him. Our #12 and some late rounders, okay let's talk turkey then. Multiple first rounders, nah... JMO.

Cousins is worth a lot of compensation, but it doesn't sound like he is going to be traded. Washington probably realizes they are lucky to have such a good qb.

Yes, assuming we're sending a 3rd rounder for a 1-year rental QB.

If he doesn't want to come here and/or sign an extension, then it's pointless. We need a longterm answer at QB. One year with an above average QB doesn't help us that much. It's not like we'd make the playoffs or even win the Super Bowl with him.

IF Cousins plans on leaving next year, because he'd be an UFA, shouldn't Washington want to trade him now? I don't think they're Super Bowl contenders, so why keep him this year?

The "IF" is unknown, but a few people are projecting he'd go to San Fran to meet up with Shanny.

I hear you, but it sure doesn't sound like he wants to leave after he had that podcast w/Schefter.

I think there is a lot of misinformation out there.

Oh, thanks for the update. I assumed the Skins were trying to extend him but he was refusing because he wanted out, not just more money. And yeah, the Shanny rumors seem to be pretty loud, though they're probably just rumors.

I suppose it's possible he's lying about wanting to stay, but we'll see. I would think they need to get him extended before the June/July deadline. You don't want him hitting the open market next year.

I do wonder, why would Garcon and Jackson left if they knew Cousins was going to stay past the current year. I'd leave for another team ASAP if my QB was leaving.

Yeah, I agree w/a lot of what you are saying.

I don't know any of the answers and won't pretend to. There are a ton of rumors out there. Hard to decipher what is true and what isn't.

j/c

Bottom line...is Cousins or Garapollo better for Cleveland than Garrett and maybe a first round pick next year? Isn't a franchise QB the most coveted position? If you say "not the first pick" they are only worth maybe a twelfth....then are either a franchise QB or simply best option for now?

This is most likely a last opportunity at a head coaching job for Hue and most likely Sashi as a GM. Hue made clear it is his responsibility bringing a franchise QB to Cleveland. If you are Hue, do you stake a claim on either Cousins or Garapollo? As an organization, can you face your fans who waited 20 years and say we found our man? It will mean Cleveland most likely traded important draft resources to get. It isn't a big secret Cleveland needs a QB. Teams won't make it easy.

This is why I think we are stuck for now until the right guy comes. Cleveland has all the resources needed to make a trade. Simply look at LA Rams. They found their man. Are they better than Cleveland moving forward?

Cousins hates there President ... last name's Allen ..

If Allens there next year ... no way Cousins signs ...

If he's gone ... they would more than likely have a shot to sign him long term ...

This boils down to one person in the org. Vs the guy they think is a franchise QB ...

At some point you have to take a stand. I try to look at how things work in the NFL. If they haven't turned this thing around by year four, I doubt any of these guys have a year five here. This is year two and we don't have a guy with franchise QB talent on this roster. I believe most here would agree that if you draft a rookie QB, it's going to take him until his second or third season before you really start to see his full potential come to light. So the clock is running for Hue and the FO guys.

Could they wait until next year to address the QB position? Yes, they could. But with each passing season kicking that can down the road becomes harder and riskier for them. Now to me that doesn't mean you just grab a QB to grab a QB.

But what it does mean is, if you see what you believe to be a franchise QB out there, you do what it takes to land him. Whether that be Cousins, Jimmy G. or a draft pick. As has been pointed out, there aren't that many true franchise QB's in this league and some of the best of those will be retiring soon. As with any business, supply and demand drive the market.

Being stingy or frugal in landing a QB will limit your career or end it completely. An answer must be found and it's why these guys make the big bucks.

Sure taking such a risk and failing at it can cost your career too. But a swing and a miss is better than sitting there being struck out without ever swinging the bat.

It has nothing to do with stingy or frugal. Equally I feel has nothing to do with putting a steak in the ground. Browns decided to do this up-teen times missing out on better the next year.

Goal here build a team. You don't need a franchise QB to be competitive. Teams around the league prove it. Note I did not say contender.

Having a franchise QB does make life easy. Keeping a QB healthy without all the pieces is detrimental. Obtaining a QB before support pieces are in place is almost as hindering.

I feel Browns must stop chasing the holy grail. I don't mean just QB. They keep looking for the perfect coach, GM, scheme, and whatever. Build a team and organize it to capitalize on opportunities.

So we build the team first. Go 8-8 then have to spend three first round picks to trade up for a QB two or three years from now?