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I said best available QB. That doesn't mean he is good.

Has anyone taken Chase Daniel in the pool yet?

Tallest midget.


On Watson's Pro Day.....

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Scout at Clemson on Watson's day:
Average day. Inconsistent timing/placement...solid on deep ball. It was a B-/C+ type workout.

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I just don't see how any of these guys can go in the top half of the first round. They all have major issues.

I think watson is maybe the most natural talented/athletic QB in this draft. But I would have to agree that this is a weak qb class and none deserving to go in the first half part of rd.1 compared to most other drafts. But NFL Network will hype them up for teams to reach. I believe Watson has the most chance at success in the right system/commitment and team. Can hue give him that commitment/system to possibly achieve, Or does he think watsons just not the guy for us?? He likes accuracy and pocket presence and they say trubinsky is the leader in those qualities, per nfl network. Trubinsky's heart is in Cleveland, but would you gamble on a one year starter with the least experience? Im going to go with my gut and say Watson is the safest pick in terms of getting the most production out of your early draft pick.

did he? i certainly didn't feel disrespected. maybe some others did, but that's a case by case basis.

When you nitpick any player, they will show issues...

QB's are the most scrutinized, and in that group there is allways one QB that is the target, this year is Watson.

Watson skills and game film grants him a top pick on this draft on par with any other player in this draft.

If he is the best on the market, then better off not shopping

How about Ryan Fitzpatrick?

Well, didn't our new QB coach work with him at one of his stops?

Mitch don't ...

I've been praising them left and right lately.

Yes he does. He only started thirteen games in college. That is a major issue.

Thats your opinion ... u stick to those absolutes ... guys like u would have passed on guys like Bree's and Wilson cause they don't fit in your nice, neat little package ...

Oh and Cam Newton ... he didn't fit in your nice little package either ...

And thats not a FLAW IN HIS GAME ...

Who said it was?



I didn't state any absolutes. I stated a fact. He started thirteen games. It would be better for everyone involved (except maybe Trubisky) if he started more games. Furthermore, I didn't say I wouldn't draft Trubisky. I said he has a major issue.



Apples and oranges. Cam Newton was/is a physical freak of nature who completely dominated college football in the one year he started (50 TDs, Heisman, National Championship).

I don't think we should dismiss Trubisky completely because he only started thirteen games. I think he is probably the best QB in this draft. That doesn't mean we should pretend that him starting thirteen games isn't an issue.

There are two line of thought when it comes to Trubisky and his 13 starts.

1. Not enough experience, is gonna struggle with reading defenses and even the simplest of nfl coverages and likely never develop much beyond where he is right now.

2. The other is that he hasnt developed any bad habits and under the right coach the rest will fall into place if he has a quick mind which you will uncover in interviews and film sessions.

For me, I would rather take a chance on what i have and havent seen with Trubisky than what I have seen with Watson. With Watson, I see to much of what I hated with Matt Leinart. A lot of pick screen screens to inflate his numbers, strugles with mid to deep accuracy.

Right now my Qb rankings are
1. Trubisky
2. Mahomes
3. Webb

I dont know if i could pass over one of the studs in this draft to take Watson or Kizer in the 3rd to be honest. Now with that said,there are gonna be teams that love both of these guys, i think the Jets & Cards could pull the trigger early on both, 49ers could still pull the trigger on Watson at #2. I just hope we dont.

Can you provide any stats for your claim?

Never heard of the screen passes and inflated numbers excuse.

Actually one of the positives is that he excels on downfield throws...1,196 yards and 18 touchdowns on passes of 20-plus yards...

The way people see Watson is an absurd, for example in the NFL profile, Mitch has the perfect size and build, while Watson has a frame problem, yet they have the same hight and weight...

Comparisons with Matt are aberrant, UCLA was a dominant program while Watson elevated Clemson program.

If you want to draw a comparison, do it with Vince Young, not Matt..

Trubisky was a backup QB in College, beats me how people are so sure he's starting material for the NFL...

Whether he has done it since or not makes no difference to me.


I really want to keep it football.

You can have an opinion about it because we have a free country. YOU can choose to feel disrespected if you want.

And unless the definition of despicable changed, there is nothing despicable at all in Kaepernick actions and message. Not standing for the anthem is his right. And he exercised that freedom to call attention to a real social issue.

Kaepernick's intent was not to disrespect to Veterans. He clearly stated that he supports Veterans. Nate Boyer, Special Forces, publically came out in support of Kaepernick and there's a large number of Veterans that support him and message. #VeteransForKaepernick
Expressing outrage for Kaepernick's social activism doesn't constitute support for Veterans.

In fact taking a stand against injustice IS why Veterans, like myself, volunteer and proudly wear the uniform.
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he reminds in Matt in that he is very inconsistent with his feet and accuracy. Matt could do a perfect drop 9 times then on the 10th he would be choppy wouldnt set his feet and send a 12 yard cross 25 yards down field and thats a lot of the issue i see in Watson. Only real comparison with Vince is both are black and can run. I never considered Vince a QB but a big running back that tried to throw the ball, same with Tebow.

Say what you want about trubisky but he is pretty solid fundamentally and he can drive the ball down the field with accuracy. I have a late first grade on Trubisky,early 2nd on Mahomes and Webb. Watson's accuracy and inconsistent footwork put him late 2nd to early 3rd about where i Had Andy Dalton when he came out. The only reason I have Webb ahead is the progress I have seen in his feet from season to senior bowl to combines. Mahomes just has that cannon that vaults him up the board for me.

I may be wrong but its just how I see this class.

Thats your opinion ED ... and just like Kap is entitled to his and your entitled to yours ... me and others are entitled to ours ...

IMO he's a POS that crapped all over what our flag means and therefore the vets that served are getting crapped on also ...

If we sign this guy I will root against us until he's gone ... I could never root for a POS like him ... that's my opinion and u can't have it ...

Now ... the reason I came to this thread ...

Colin Kaepernick - QB - Free Agent

49ers GM John Lynch said free agent Colin Kaepernick nearly signed with another team at the start of free agency.

"He was in everyone’s mind in this league very close to signing a deal with a team at a really good number," said Lynch. "And it fell through, apparently." Kaepernick's market has been nonexistent with some reports suggesting teams are avoiding him due to his political views. The 29-year-old didn't move the needle much last year but his supporting cast in San Francisco was abysmal. He'd make sense for the Jets, though they seem to be zeroing in on Jay Cutler and Josh McCown. It goes without saying that Kaepernick won't be back with the 49ers.

Source: San Francisco Chronicle Mar 17 - 2:28 PM

I have been a die hard Browns fan since I was 8 in 1978. I would not spend 1 dollar on the Browns if he was on the side lines. Besides his political view I cannot stand. He is a terrible QB.

The flag means far more then whether or not someone stands up during the national anthem. You can feel like Kaepernick is crapping on the veterans that served. But you do not speak for Veterans and you are choosing to feel that way despite the fact that Kaepernick from the outset stated he supports the military and you are choosing to feel how you feel despite the support Kaepernick gets from Veterans.

I'm not getting into this with u ... your way to thin skinned for me and you bring a lot to the board for others ... so I will pretty much leave u alone like I been doing lately .... your convos will be a lot better w/o me in them ...

But on this one ... I will TRY and make this my last post .... can't promise though ... *L* ...

1st ... I'm a vet also ... not that it matters ... its like some of u guys think u have some kind of moral majority because u served ... to me, my opinion means no more than someone that didn't serve ...

2nd ... he OFFENDED way more vets than he didn't ... so stick that argument where the sun don't shine ... its just silly and NON FACTUAL ..

3rd ... the guy also said that Castro is a humanitarian ... so he can say what he wants about not crapping on vets ... I'm taking it with a grain of salt ... *L* ... I don't believe u can CRAP ON THE FLAG w/o CRAPPING ON THOSE THAT DEFEND IT ...

4th ... I really appreciate your permission to feel how I so choose ... that's mighty nice of u ...

5th - just curious ... is this the only way to Protest? .. what's he doing now for this subject that must be near and dear to his heart ...

6th - any clue if there may have been some ulterior motive for him to do it ... like say a women ... *L* ...

This guys a POS ... IN MY OPINION ...

I actually can guarantee I won't reply here again ... so go ahead and have at it ED ...

Enjoy the board ...

I do and I think he is POS.

Yeah, I don't understand why Watson gets knocked for something like screen passes when ALL the QBs throw a ton of screen passes?

And I think the knock on DeShaun Watson deep accuracy is overstated or nit picky because Watson is top 5 in deep ball accuracy.

You didn't even responded to my statements you just spouted off points you felt like making whether I mentioned it or not.

e.g. I said this....

There is a lot to like about Watson. A lot. But all those interceptions scare the crap out of me. If this is a footwork issue that can be corrected, maybe he's the guy. If it's an issue reading defenses, then it could be a problem that's not fixable.

Here are all 17 INTs in 2016:



I see footwork issues on a couple plays, not seeing the defender on a few, some plain bad throws and/or decisions, a couple miscommunications, a missed catch, batted ball, or the ball off the receivers hands, and a few good plays by the DBs.

To me, it looks like he either doesn't see the defender, or is fooled by them several times, and others where DBs are taking advantage of throws that are slightly off. I'd say there are maybe a handful that were just bad luck. Also, it looks to me like he tries to "place" the ball on some of his deeper routes and either comes up short or throws long. Absolute awful game against Pitt. Despite all the INTs they won all their games except Pitt.

Thoughts?

Welll, as long as we don't pick anybody who doesn't deserve it.... Whew! who cares if ya ever win more than 4 games a year.

I mean, When is the NFL going to give out Rings for teams that didn't make the mistake of using a first round pick, on somebody who didn't "deserve" it.

Because the Browns are a lock at making sure they do that instead of ever building a contending team!

Do we have a clip of all 41 tds he had too?

Those are my rankings as well. if Mith goes early take Mahomes or Webb in round 2 and sign a vet.

Watson is the one guy that will make me question their ability to identify talent at the position. The rest of these guys you are just trying to find where the pick meets decent/not horrible value.

If we're taking a QB,then I take Webb at 33, and I take him there because I think that he's gonna be a riser in the draft. I am not even thinking about Brady! Brad .... err ..... Mitchell before 33 either. I think that we have a chance to add 2 legitimate, surefire, upper quality starters, and I don't see any of those in this draft who play QB. Webb has been my favorite QB in this draft, and I wouldn't take him at 12 either. I have a feeling that we're going to see QBs drop in this draft.

I like Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes and Webb in that Order and would take Watson at 12 and the rest at 33.

I am a bit old school about the Parcells criteria, but that rarely comes into play anymore.

I believe that a QB has to have arm talent to be successful in Cleveland during bad weather.

Exactly! Imagine how great people would "think he was" after those first 13 starts if he had never had more starts! lol

So let me get this straight. You claim that QB's with one year of starting experience can get glowing reports and even predictions of going first in the draft. But after their next season, when they have much more evidence to evaluate them on, their draft stock often goes down.

Then you say only having one year of starting gives you all the evidence you need to pick a QB.

I'm not nearly as interested in what you meant to say over what you actually said.

You and diam both brought passionate POVs to the issue. I applaud you both, and respect both opinions.
If CK became a Brown I would want him to succeed btw, wouldn't turn in my official Browns Fan card. I don't hate him for what he did, or why.
But Diam asked a question that to me was a good one: is this the only way to Protest?
Let's say a hockey player refused to stand for O Canada... I would feel plenty insulted, especially if he played for my team.