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Dude did all that and did not even vote.

Besides that........him defending Castro and saying our country is oppressive is beyond lame. And the piggy socks are yet another sign of disrespect. He's a punk.

We've picked countless QBs that didn't deserve it.

And won 4 games with them.

I'm just returning to the board after about 6 months. Also, I only read up to page six of this thread, word-for-word.
What I want to say is that for me, Trubiky and Watson grade out fairly closely with Watson ahead by a fraction due to his three year resume as a starter. neither of them make sense for the team at #1 but I would entertain either of them at #12. The reality of over drafting QBs is alive and well in this league.

I have to admit I've been leaning toward Watson over Trubisky lately too. I don't study film, and I don't know how to break down the finer points of QBing. But I can't help thinking how he lead his team to a national championship. Unlike McCarron who guided his team, Watson lead his.

Just like Vince Young!

(Editors Note: This isn't a "he's black" thing, it's a , " just because you win a NC doesn't mean you are any good in the NFL" thing.)

Troy Smith!

(I forgot that they lost in the title game.)

It's not THAT he won a NC, it's HOW he did. Alabama was the favorite, and by all accounts had a team with superior talent. Watson willed his team to come from behind and win on the biggest stage of his life so far. He may have deficiencies in his game, but all the QBs do. What he has is leadership in spades. (And that's not a "he's black" thing either...it's just and expression. )

IMHO, Vince Young was a very good NFL QB, he was ruined by Fisher.

We see that meny times, talent being wasted because Picks were imposed on HC. QB's must be the extension of the HC, no good comes when they are not in the same page.

On the plus side, Watson doesn't have the same issues that Vince Young did, he actually is a "clever" QB.

Horrible QB.

Not all is superseded, especially in the case like Trubisky.

1. Why did he only started so few games?

2. Why did the coaching staff consider Trubisky a backup?

3. Why didn't he change college if he wasn't starting?

Trubisky in that regard reminds me of Jamarcus Russell....

I don't understand how some scouts were so high on RG3 can be so low regarding Deshaun Watson..

Piggy socks... forgotten all about that. Yeah that was totally classless, as is the 'oppressive' comment. Didn't recall that one either, lol. You have me re-thinking my stance on CK.

Here is the timeline for Trubisky.

2013: Bryn Renner the starter goes down and Sophomore. Marquise Williams comes in and does a good job. Trubisky is a Fr. and redshirted.

2014: Williams now a Jr. and Trubisky a red-shirt Fr. compete for the QB job in spring practice. Williams has the better practice but coach Fedora decides to rotate QBs, this lasts only a few games before Fedora decides doing so is hurting the team and goes with the more experienced Williams. Williams has a good year.

2015: Williams is now a Sr. and the incumbent starter, Trubisky is a So. and since Williams has done so well Williams is the starter for his last season.

2016: With Williams gone Trubisky is finally given the job as a Jr..

j/c,
I want nothing to do with Watson.
JM2Cents.

You can sugarcoat all you want, fact is Coaching staff didn't consider Trubisky a cut above the incumbent starter.

The seniority excuse doesn't proceed, most of the bona fide QB's won QB competitions to start over senior Qb's.

Trubisky could elect and stay for his senior year and guide UNC to the championship...

I have common sense and reading is fundamental. What you said was with his experience dating up until the end of last season he would have been the #1 overall. Yet with another season, that has changed everything.

Yet you promote drafting a kid with only one season starting. I know exactly what you said and quoted it just in case you forgot. lol

I didn't sugarcoat anything I just gave you the facts.



Not usually if the Sr. is the starter the previous year(s) and is a good player himself.

Here is another fact.

Williams---who Trub could not beat out---could not even make an NFL roster.

Here is a question: And people wanna draft him w/the first overall pick?

Here is a reaction:

And here is another fact:

Not every good College QB is NFL material now days.

Also I don't want to draft Trubisky, at least not until our 2nd rnd pick.

Yes, both Bryn Renner and Marquise Williams were stellar QB's, worthy of top 5 picks....

IMHO Trubisky is at most a project, I would say he reminds me of Jamarcus Russell without the top skills, in the way the press made him a top pick QB..

All and all I don't think Trubisky has what it takes to turn around the Browns, he couldn't even do it at UNC...

Ohio State is in a similar situation with a very good incumbent QB with JT Barrett and a potintential superstar QB in backup Red Shirt Sophomore Joe Burrow ...

How good a college QB they are has nothing to do with where the NFL drafts them. With College football so big on the spread offense now days not every college QB is going to translate to the NFL.

Not every College program relies on a top QB to win, but some can elevate the level of playing.

All in all I think a College program to win it all MUST have impact players, and those players are going to translate well into the NFL, or at least shouldn’t be looked down, like so many did with Zeke and Bosa.

Have you seen Marquis Williams play or seen his stats? He was a pretty good college QB. His stats are very similar to J.T. Barrett's who I would say is a very good college QB that doesn't translate to the NFL very well.

Actually, I don't quite agree. Most of the Qb's that had success in College are having success in the NFL. Cam, Luck, Newton, Mariotta,Jameis, Bridgwater, etc


Many of the good College QB's just didn't find good situations, like Vince Young with Fisher and Rg3 with Shanahan, others had off-football issues, and others didn't have the skills to play in the NFL - Troy Smith and Tim Tebow

Newton, Mariotta, Winston, and Bridgewater, none of those guys had to beat out a returning starter to become "the" guy at their school. Also Newton only started 1 year at Auburn (14 starts) yet he went #1 over-all.

Troy Smith beat out #1 pick and pro-bowl QB Alex Smith and played much better than him. He also has a winning record in the NFL.

Newton started 1 year in Auburn because he was transfered from Florida where he was the starter but had an injury.

Mariota was the first freshman to start for the Ducks, Jameis redshirted one year, Bridgwater started has a Freshman also. I don't know where did you get you info, but its wrong.

I remember having this conversation about Hardesty, but at least he was the backup for Arian Foster and he was a 2nd round pick....

McCarron (sp) was one of the best College Qb's also, but he, like Troy, Tebow and Colt, among others, were never considered first round quality QB's.

Newton never started at Florida ... Tebow started 08 and 09 ... newton got kicked out or left .. i can't remember ...

Newton broke his ankle in 09 BACKING UP TEBOW ... but he never started a game at Fla. to the best of my recollection .. i could be wrong .. but i don't think so ..

Diam, you are right on this one.

Newton never beated Tebow for the starting job in Florida, but he did have 2 seasons starting, one for Blinn and other for Auburn.

Tebow had a great 2007 season.

Peyton Manning never won anything at UT.

Josh White was a big time winner at OU.

Colt McCoy was the winngest College QB at one point, went in the 3rd round.

Andrew Luck lost his last game in college to Brandon Weeden.

Should Weeden have went #1 instead?

I'm not comparing Trubisky or Watson or anyone to those QBs as prospects. I'm just pointing out the silliness of your argument.

Manning Career is no where comparable with Trubisky. PM was tnever a backup, he played in his senior year, and got injured on the Sec Championship game. Tennessee lost against Nebraska and didn't win the National Championship.

Luck also played two seasons and broke Stanford record and led the team to the Fiesta Bowl. He also has several awards.

Both Manning and Luck were never BACKUPS, and both have prolific college careers.

All and all I stand for what I say. How can you expect a QB to performe at the NFL level if he didn't in college? He could, but for sure in my book he wouldn't be a round 1 pick...

Nothing on Trubisky's resume spells Winner, quite the contrary, if he did we would return one more year...

How would returning make him a winner? He'd be working with almost an entirely new team/offense. His top 3 WRs (Switzer, Howard, Hollins), his top 2 RBs (Hood, Logan), and I think a couple OL are all going pro. I don't think his stock was going to get any higher than it is now.

My biggest question with Trubisky is his leadership. UNC had a lot of talent, but seemed to underachieve as a team.

Mitchell Trubisky - QB - Player

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the Browns are "fairly confident" they can wait on UNC QB Mitch Trubisky or Clemson QB Deshaun Watson until the No. 12 overall pick.

The Browns are beginning to appear too high on Texas A&M edge rusher Myles Garrett to pass with the No. 1 overall pick. If they're comfortable with either Trubisky or Watson, it's a reasonable assumption one of them will still be on the board at No. 12 overall, but a trade up could end up being necessary. The Browns have the draft capital, and then some, for such a move. Trubisky has been connected to the Browns early and often.

Related: Browns

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer Mar 20 - 2:46 PM

Hope hes gone .. dont want us to WASTE our pick on this dude ..

Everyone is challenging rasta, yet not one person challenged 66 about Williams being a good qb.

Y'all are a trip.

I think you are selling Williams a little short. I was gonna say that good college and good NFL QBing weren't necessarily all that related, but decided to do some fact checking. His bio actually reads better than I remember.



Link

I don't really want to start arguing. Been busy with school, so mainly skimming threads. Every once in awhile I catch something during a break that looks worth digging in to. The JT Barrett comp is actually looking pretty good to me after reading that.

Yeah, my take was much worse than most of the others one on here. Thanks for pointing it out. I can always count on you!

Williams was a good "college" QB. They don't play college football just to develop talent for the NFL.