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That's the flaw in your logic.

Nobody here is hoping that the allegations are true. Do you realize what kind of crap storm is coming if trump and his crew did indeed assist Russians to help sway the election into his favor?

Nobody is safe if that happens. We're talking massive treason here. There's not a person on this board who wants our government to be compromised like that.

But damn bro, you should be hoping these investigations are thorough that way this issue can be put to bed once in for all.

But when you continue to make excuses, as well as help spread misinformation, then you're being part of the problem.

Why do you think Trump has not replaced Obama's people in Justice and Intelligence yet?

If he had removed them all and replaced them with his own people, everyone could say the fix is in.

He allows Comey to continue the investigation. Most of Obama's people are still in place.

But if you guys are insinuating the FBI and CIA would allow Russian spies in the Executive Branch to control our Nation and our Nukes, your heads are bent.

Imagine the tax dollars that will be spent prosecuting this... some people want to keep their tax dollars so bad they're ok with old people and kids going hungry. Those same people might burst veins in their heads when they see this tax bill, and watch every action taken by Trump and company undone in the courts.

Rut Rowww...I hear heads lopping off.

Lawyer for Russian whistleblower's family falls out of apartment building before court date

Nikolai Gorokhov, a lawyer representing the family of a Russian whistleblower, was reportedly thrown out of the fourth floor of his Moscow apartment building on Tuesday — a day before the 53-year-old was due to appear in court regarding a contentious corruption case.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/magnitsky-family-lawyer-reportedly-thrown-from-building.html


-And you guys think the CIA and FBI would allow Putin's spies in charge of our Nukes. Stupid.

"Allows"?

Trump doesn't "allow" anything. He can't tell the Feds to stop investigating him.

Keep spinning though. Ballet classes are really helping you with that spin. Keep it up

Your lack of comprehension skills fail you again. Not even close to what I said.

Unless you are referring to a previous post of mine.

Right. He doesn't "allow" anything.

Bold: I disagree. I believe there are many people, including some posters on here, who do want these allegations against Trump to be true. First it would vindicate their chasing this story, and at a deeper level, they desperately want something serious enough to pin on Trump in order to get him removed from office by any means necessary-- perhaps impeachment.

He can fire and replace Comey at any time, it is his right.
He has allowed Comey to stay and continue the investigation.

So who are the posters?

I am not going to name any posters. It's a 'sticky' topic and there is plenty of room for plausible deniability. I see little good that can come from calling people out like that and plenty of bad.

Think about this a little more broadly. Do you honestly think all these investigations into Trump (or Clinton) were all done as good-faith efforts to get to the truth, by both sides, all the time? Of course not. There is usually some political motivation there. There is also often a presumption of guilt to start with, and they piece their evidence together with that in mind.

Also Swish, when I read stuff like (paraphrasing) "Trump must be removed from office by any means necessary" or "Wait, just wait until this Russian scandal breaks wide open!"... how am I not supposed to interpret that as the poster wanting those things to happen?

Just admit that you goofed up on your wording. No big deal.

sorry but i don't feel as i goofed up.

i believe a lot of posters on the board already see the writing on the wall. that's very different than actively hoping Trump is involved with russia so he can get the boot.

so until somebody comes out and says so, then i'll stand by what i said.

I think we need an FBI investigation into these anti American posts!

I know for a fact that some of these posters were in Arab lands in the past!

Not to mention, who is the moron to post on these forums that wants to replace Trump with Pence? For an entire four years?

Fighting for your rights and freedom's. Your welcome.

Now stop spitting on our military. Thank you.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/paul-manafort-russian-contract/

Senate mulls subpoenaing Paul Manafort as new allegations of ties to Russia break


David Covucci—

2017-03-22 10:04 am


Screengrab via Fox News/YouTube (Fair Use)


Paul Manafort reportedly received $10 million a year to advance Russian interests.

As Congress continues to pursue allegations that Donald Trump‘s presidential campaign had ties to Russian interests, Democratic senators are seeking to question the former Trump employee who has the most glaring connections.

Paul Manafort resigned as head of Donald Trump’s campaign in August as his work with pro-Kremlin politicians in Ukraine began to be revealed.

Today, the Associated Press published an investigation into possibly even more damning ties to Russia. In 2006, Manafort had a contract with a Russian billionaire for $10 million annually to push pro-Putin propaganda in former Soviet republics.

The AP unearthed a contract and memos between Manafort and Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch in the aluminum business. According to the AP, the arrangement lasted for approximately three years, until 2009. While under contract, Manafort reportedly proposed strategy plans for eastern European and central Asian nations that would prop up pro-Putin politicians and attack campaigns of opposition candidates.

Manafort has maintained that he never worked to advance Russian interests.

Last night, before the story broke, Mark Warner—the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is investigating the administration’s ties to Russia—told CNN that he believed the Senate needed to hear from Manafort.

“We have to talk to Mr. Manafort. We’re going to need to bring him in,” Warner told Erin Burnett of OutFront.

When reached by the Associated Press for comment, Manafort confirmed he had a contract with Deripaska, but that the work he did was not relating to messaging for Russian interests.

“I worked with Oleg Deripaska almost a decade ago representing him on business and personal matters in countries where he had investments. My work for Mr. Deripaska did not involve representing Russia’s political interests.”

In a press conference earlier this week, Trump press secretary Sean Spicer downplayed Manafort’s participation with the Trump campaign, saying he played a limited role for a limited amount of time. Manafort worked as campaign chair for six months.

In response today, Spicer said he could not comment on people who did not work in the White House.

Deripaska has been described previously by the U.S. as “among the 2-3 oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis” and someone who regularly accompanies the Russian president on trips, according to the AP report.

Read the full AP exclusive here.

I'm surprised 40 isn't here claiming that Manafort had a limited role in the campaign.

No. He'll just scream 'fake news!', then bury his head deeper in the sand...the conservatives favorite safe space.

It's Fox, so it isn't "fake news".

This is where President Trump gets his intelligence briefings from.

Edit: </sarcasm>

You said that nobody here is hoping that the allegations about Trump colluding with Russia are true.

Would it be fair to say that you think that every liberal on this board hopes that Trump is innocent and is cleared of all wrongdoing by the FBI? That is hardly a leap in logic from your original statement.

I understand the "battle lines" have been drawn on this particular topic, and it is unlikely that somebody is going to chime in now admitting that I am right, but I would be really impressed with somebody's forthrightness and honesty if they did just that.

I would NEVER wish a representative failure as that would derail our democracy is so many ways. Having a failed president is probably the worst that could happen, security wise, for our nation.

No sir, I do NOT wish Trump a failure.

Again, I don't know of anybody on this board actively hoping trump is involved with the Russians.

Hoping and expecting are two different things.

People around here typically defend what they post, so if somebody did say that, I'm sure they will say something.

It's highly unlikely somebody will say that now, because it would validate what I wrote above and make you look bad at the same time. However, I have already seen the sentiment thrown around this board and on social media. Some liberals want to remove Trump from office by any possible means, and right now most of the eggs are in the "Russian" basket.

For a while, I suspected you were arguing just out of spite but I now believe you actually mean this. Call it an example of the "two movies playing on the same screen" phenomenon.

You think that everybody on this board wishes Trump well, and that everybody hopes that he never had any shady dealings with the Russians, and they hope he will be cleared by the FBI.

I think there is a group of liberals (not all of them mind you, not even most) who wish that he indeed was involved with them, and they hope there there is evidence of extensive collusion that could threaten the entire Trump administration.

I'll tell you what. I won't dig up any old posts to support my view; that would be too easy. However, I imagine in the future there will be some who get too loose with their words and betray their true feelings, and I will make sure to point it out to you. Cool?

I don't think Trump is a good POTUS. I think he is shady, somewhat stupid, most likely a little mental, definately an egomaniac, often unhinged, and absolutely out to enrich himself at any costs. But even I don't want him removed at ANY costs.

I would never wish him illness, harm or death. I would never want a lie or falsehood on the part of others to bring him down, ending in yet another controversy/investigation. I don't really want to see him go down for treason out of love for country.

But I have little doubt after seeing how he has started his term that he will somehow find a way to screw up if he hasn't already. Impeachment, IMHO, is almost a foregone conclusion.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/politics/u...ians/index.html



US officials: Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians 14:11
Washington (CNN)The FBI has information that indicates associates of President Donald Trump communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to Hillary Clinton's campaign, US officials told CNN.

This is partly what FBI Director James Comey was referring to when he made a bombshell announcement Monday before Congress that the FBI is investigating the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, according to one source.
The FBI is now reviewing that information, which includes human intelligence, travel, business and phone records and accounts of in-person meetings, according to those U.S. officials. The information is raising the suspicions of FBI counterintelligence investigators that the coordination may have taken place, though officials cautioned that the information was not conclusive and that the investigation is ongoing.
In his statement on Monday Comey said the FBI began looking into possible coordination between Trump campaign associates and suspected Russian operatives because the bureau had gathered "a credible allegation of wrongdoing or reasonable basis to believe an American may be acting as an agent of a foreign power."
The White House did not comment and the FBI declined to comment.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer maintained Monday after Comey's testimony that there was no evidence to suggest any collusion took place.
"Investigating it and having proof of it are two different things," Spicer said.
One law enforcement official said the information in hand suggests "people connected to the campaign were in contact and it appeared they were giving the thumbs up to release information when it was ready." But other U.S. officials who spoke to CNN say it's premature to draw that inference from the information gathered so far since it's largely circumstantial.
The FBI cannot yet prove that collusion took place, but the information suggesting collusion is now a large focus of the investigation, the officials said.
The FBI has already been investigating four former Trump campaign associates -- Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Carter Page -- for contacts with Russians known to US intelligence. All four have denied improper contacts and CNN has not confirmed any of them are the subjects of the information the FBI is reviewing.
One of the obstacles the sources say the FBI now faces in finding conclusive intelligence is that communications between Trump's associates and Russians have ceased in recent months given the public focus on Russia's alleged ties to the Trump campaign. Some Russian officials have also changed their methods of communications, making monitoring more difficult, the officials said.
Last July, Russian intelligence agencies began orchestrating the release of hacked emails stolen in a breach of the Democratic National Committee and associated organizations, as well as email accounts belonging to Clinton campaign officials, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.
The Russian operation was also in part focused on the publication of so-called "fake news" stories aimed at undermining Hillary Clinton's campaign. But FBI investigators say they are less focused on the coordination and publication of those "fake news" stories, in part because those publications are generally protected free speech.
The release of the stolen emails, meanwhile, transformed an ordinary cyber-intrusion investigation into a much bigger case handled by the FBI's counterintelligence division.
FBI counterintelligence investigations are notoriously lengthy and often involve some of the U.S. government's most highly classified programs, such as those focused on intelligence-gathering, which can make it difficult for investigators to bring criminal charges without exposing those programs.
Investigators continue to analyze the material and information from multiple sources for any possible indications of coordination, according to US officials. Director Comey in Monday's hearing refused to reveal what specifically the FBI was looking for or who they're focusing on.
US officials said the information was not drawn from the leaked dossier of unverified information compiled by a former British intelligence official compiled for Trump's political opponents, though the dossier also suggested coordination between Trump campaign associates and Russian operatives.

CNN...
US officials told CNN...
according to one source...
officials cautioned that the information was not conclusive...
One law enforcement official said...
But other U.S. officials who spoke to CNN say it's premature...
One of the obstacles the sources say...

I think it is about time to put on the popcorn, and sit back and watch the game of clue unravel.

Whowasit whodoneit?

Carter Page
Paul Manifort
Roger Stone
Michael Flynn

Chances are they all had FISA warrants against them for contacts with Russia. Trumps comments about having Russia find Hillary emails and the change in the Republican platform regarding Ukraine, and the flattering comments about Putin, were probable cause for those warrants.

Now where Trump misplayed things is by claiming that Obama had Trump Towers wiretapped, the reality is more likely that his advisors were targets after their actions.

Nunes, may have misplayed his hand today, but the next few days are going to be interesting. This story is not going away anytime soon.

I will continue to stand upon my personal assessment of the man as I have always seen him:

1. Unfit/unprepared to run anything other than his own personal businesses (which before now, have never personally impacted my quality of life).

2. Unfit to run someone else's empire (read: Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Lincoln, etc).

3. Unfit/unqualified/ill-prepared to run the (formerly) most influential nation on this planet since the (failed) the Roman Empire.

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You give him more credit than I can ever muster from myself. This man is the personal embodiment of everything Our Founding Fathers tried to protect us against.

I want him removed from office by use of the precepts that were handed down from our predecessors, because they had the foresight to see someone like him assuming office... and set up safeguards to protect us from the likes of him.

I want him removed from office because he has no clue as to how this nation's structure actually works. I want him removed from office because he doesn't care how our nation works.

That in itself, should be grounds enough.

Never, in 60 years of life on this planet, have I seen someone so wholly and totally unfit to assume the job for which he was hired.

My observations have absolutely nothing to do with partisanship.

This man has assumed a job that is clearly out of his depth.

In the first 2 months of his post, he's:

Upended 70+-year multi-national arrangements with world allies.
Turned Russia into a renewed world player.
Provided propaganda fodder for our nation's worst adversaries.
Alienated/insulted historical political allies.
Strengthened ideological opponents in the Middle East.
Weakened our diplomatic ties to historical allies.
Taken steps that isolate us from the rest of the civilized world.

It's one thing to be myopic about world politics. It's something entirely else to be purposely stupid and counterproductive where such things are concerned.

I truly believe that Donald Trump's primary motivation as POTUS is to negate anything and everything that was ever accomplished by Barack Hussein Obama.

I believe that his most ardent supporters have that as their primary goal, as well.... despite what mayhem such a course of action may bring to us. I believe that they want this, above all else. Despite all else.

I believe that many (if not most) 'Trump Supporters' voted for him because he was 'The Anti-Obama'... and after 8 years of swallowing a 'Democrat's Brown Phallus' down their throats, found a way of spitting that stuff back out, in a national forum.

Yes... I believe that most Americans operate on a level as base and primal as that.

Why?

Because I've been on this planet for 60+ years... and that's more than long enough to know what motivates most people.

They aren't motivated by their 'better angels.' They're motivated by their 'basest demons.'

And this man has captured their (compromised) souls.

* A 2,000 mile-long Wall- hat can't be paid for?
* A systemic-wide ban on all people coming from certain (arbitrarily-placed) locations on the planet, despite the circumstances that control their lives?
* Closed borders, in violation of the very precepts that Our Founding Fathers established, when they came here as political refugees?

Oh, HELL NO.

I'll never stop fighting against someone who represents THIS.

THIS is not the America I was raised to love, protect and defend.

Trump is not just a 'Bad POTUS.'
Trump is the antithesis of what a POTUS is supposed to be... and I will resist him with all that I have, until I have nothing more to give.

This isn't 'partisan politics' at work. This is Patriotism In Action.


.02,
Clemdawg.

But more likely we are talking about more acts of the Democrats and Liberals trying to "Get Trump".

It's just some e-mails, are we still talking about some silly e-mails? Don't we have anything more important to talk about?

If that past 5 years living under Republicans in the House taught us anything, it's that we don't have anything more important to talk about.

And if the past 5 years living with Hillary has taught us anything, it's just keep pointing out that it's silly and a big waste of time to try to find out if classified information was compromised on the unprotected server that you conveniently destroyed... nothing to see here, move along.

And the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round.

Unless it's the bus for meals on wheels. In which case, it's on cinder blocks, doesn't have wheels and is currently being stripped for parts.

Is this really Tit-for-Tat? Do republicans have any reason other than Hillary, Obama, libtards this-n-that to continue defending this administration? Treason is a very serious allegation! It has nothing to do with partisanship and everything to do with patriotism!

Where are all those GOP Patriots? Those must have a strong military, you will never touch my guns, bible thumping flag waving patriots?

Your (our) President or others around him may have committed treason! Don't we deserve to know the truth? Why aren't you mad as hell? If this were a dem President there would be no end to the calls for their heads! Yet you patriots seem to be fine with a possible traitor in the White House!

SAD!

It was pretty funny watching Putin today evoke Ronald Reagan, confusing him with George HW Bush, and saying "Read my lips: No" when talking about Russia meddling in the election

That was pretty funny. But I never expected him to admit he meddled in our election, but I believe he did.

That's on him and his countrymen. What I worry about is if there were those here in America that assisted him. They are the ones I want to know about.

True Patriots are driven by love of America and the FACTS behind allegations against our own Citizens.

We will not judge our fellow citizens by your emotional outbursts over Hillary's humiliating loss. We will not judge them by your emotional outbursts over the rejection and death of your precious Liberal/Progressive agenda or your headlong plunge into Globalism.

Everything you and yours stand for flies in the face of Patriotism. You are what is wrong with America.