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Well we are gonna do some spring cleaning, shovel the trash into buckets and throw them over the wall...err...fence!

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Time will tell. I promised to give him his chance and I will stick it out, unless he is what is being said about him and/or HIS administration. I am no fan, but this is democracy and I elected to support the outcome of the American people.

I think I would be able to stomach more of him if he would Just. Stop. Tweeting. and be a President. Hard knocks are one thing, being a jerk is totally another all together.

I do not believe he was "wire tapped" by any administration. I also believe he does act upon his thoughts which seem to be a conspiracy theory mentality.

***MY OWN "LITTLE" CONSPIRACY THEORY HERE***
I think something else is lurking below the waters about to breach itself. It maybe not about him in general, but if it is his administration, then he is responsible for selecting HIS administration.

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Well we are gonna do some spring cleaning, shovel the trash into buckets and throw them over the wall...err...fence!

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Start warming up your shoulder now, old man wink

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/19/trump-wants-to-build-30-foot-high-wall-at-mexican-border.html

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The Trump administration wants to build a 30-foot-high border wall that looks good from the north side and is difficult to climb or cut through, according to a pair of contract notices posted to a government website further detailing President Donald Trump's promise to build a "big, beautiful wall" at the Mexican border.

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You should know by now he wants a 15 foot wall and is pushing for 30, willing to negotiate of course.

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6 feet deep?

lmao, El Chapo and his homeboys are crying laughing right when they saw this.


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6 feet deep?

lmao, El Chapo and his homeboys are crying laughing right when they saw this.


The Israelis have been perfecting tunnel detection techniques on their border with the Gaza Strip. The United States almost certainly has access to that technology, because we helped fund it.

Going over/under/around a secure border is not nearly as easy as you make it out to be.

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Also, El Chapo is currently in U.S. custody. The least you could do is find a better example.

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If you really want to know about the wall, you have to watch this Engineering video approved by the new administration...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0pot1i2Zo

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That song gets me jacked up every time. AAHHH!!

edit: It reminds me a little bit of Metallica and Korn. I'm not familiar with the artist though.

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6 feet deep?

lmao, El Chapo and his homeboys are crying laughing right when they saw this.


The Israelis have been perfecting tunnel detection techniques on their border with the Gaza Strip. The United States almost certainly has access to that technology, because we helped fund it.

Going over/under/around a secure border is not nearly as easy as you make it out to be.


enlighten the board on the length of border for Israel and that of the US.

and why find a better example? El Chapo had the skills to dig tunnels. you honestly think his people don't know how, either?

or anybody else for that matter?

you seriously underestimate the human spirit, especially when it comes to figuring out ways around...well, anything.

we got people escaping maximum security prisons. you honestly think a 1000 mile + wall is hard?

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Who cares how much border we have than Isreal ... Mexico's paying for it anyhow ... rofl ....




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yea, i laughed when Trump said that BS, too.


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Who cares how much border we have than Isreal ... Mexico's paying for it anyhow ... rofl ....



When your veggies and fruits double in price, the new home construction takes a nose dive, and the Donor Class can't find a maid or gardener; we'll see who is paying for what.

Meanwhile it's all hot air from a bloated orange toad.

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6 feet deep?

lmao, El Chapo and his homeboys are crying laughing right when they saw this.


The Israelis have been perfecting tunnel detection techniques on their border with the Gaza Strip. The United States almost certainly has access to that technology, because we helped fund it.

Going over/under/around a secure border is not nearly as easy as you make it out to be.


enlighten the board on the length of border for Israel and that of the US.

and why find a better example? El Chapo had the skills to dig tunnels. you honestly think his people don't know how, either?

or anybody else for that matter?

you seriously underestimate the human spirit, especially when it comes to figuring out ways around...well, anything.

we got people escaping maximum security prisons. you honestly think a 1000 mile + wall is hard?

Israeli borders combine for about 632 miles. Palestine, or the Palestinian territories (Gaza Strip and West Bank) combine for a little over a third of that.

The U.S. border with Mexico is about 2,000 miles. While that is indeed longer, we also have about 40 times the population and an economy that is about 60 times bigger.

Just leaving those as FYIs.

The Israeli PM's thoughts on the effectiveness of a wall:


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the wall in Israel is only gonna be 440 miles. with 2/3 of that being done.

that's a half a day drive doing...eh...65 mph? that's a drive from cleveland to NY.

But the system has proved far from hermetic. Depending on the season, up to 60,000 Palestinians without work permits sneak across the barrier to work in construction, agriculture or service industries in Israel, either through gaps in the route or by utilizing the services of local smugglers. And occasionally, the system is defeated by Palestinians who carry out terrorist attacks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/middleeast/trump-mexico-wall-israel-west-bank.html?_r=0

so aa sharp decline in immigration to about 60k sneaking over illegally.....in tiny ass israel?

doesn't sound all that effective. it does when taken into account the issues prior, but not overall.

also, the reason the wall went up for israel is different from why we have a wall. you also need to take into account that the wall israel built, parts of it are illegally put there because of settlements, as well as the israeli army is conducting raids on a nightly basis.

^^^ you get that right?

so unless you're advocating that the US Army conduct raids on mexico.....then i dunno if Israel is the best example.

or maybe it's the only example? the most readily available example?

put it like this: you didn't really do anything to further your argument.

economy size has nothing to do with it. we all know we can fund the wall if we want to. but is it cost effective?

and will it actually do anything? again, you just compared 400 miles worth of border wall in israel to 2k worth of border wall with the US.

which doesn't account terrain features.

so one wall is being built to push military operations. the other is being built to curve illegal immigration.

so while israel's wall has had some success.....its still 400 miles of the west bank. you can secure that. sure.

but not 2k.

So let's break this down. in order for a wall to work in the US, you have to:

1. build a wall, which also has to take into account terrain features.
2. has to be deep enough to to actually DETER tunneling ( 6 feet....lmfao)
3. man the wall.
4. conduct military operations within mexico to help further prevent the number of illegals potentially crossing.
5. oh yea, and you have to get mexico to pay for it.

good luck with that.

and we didn't touch cost. again, we could pay for it. but we all know this is gonna cost waaaaaaaayyyy more than what Trump is trying to push on you guys. then you have to ask yourself:

does Trump have the backing of the majority of americans? (popular vote, current polling says no)

does Trump have the backing of americans with regards to the wall?

and if illegal immigration is going down (hint: it is) then why build a wall in the first place?

see, thats the thing. posters, as well as others on social media, have said things like "if violent crime is going down, why do we need more gun laws?"

well since illegal immigration is going down, why do we need a wall?

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it's also hilarious watching Trump hold a kla....my bad, a supporter rally, talking about immigration right after his ass got throttled in the FBI hearing.

gotta keep the heat off.


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lol, 3D printers for the win!!!


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also, since we're talking about walls...

Washington (CNSNews.com) – The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency has apprehended more suspected terrorists on the nation’s northern border than along its southern counterpart, CBP Commissioner Alan Bersin said Tuesday.

“In terms of the terrorist threat, it’s commonly accepted that the more significant threat” comes from the U.S.-Canada border, Bersin told a hearing of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees, and Border Security.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cana...er-patrol-chief

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article from way back in 2011.

why aren't we building a wall between us and canada?


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He'll pitch that wall in the 2020 campaign... probably to counter chants of "Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!".

On a side note, listening to Nancy Pelosi drivel on and on, on CNN right now and wishing she would go back to making tales from the crypt.

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yea she needs to retire.


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If you really want to know about the wall, you have to watch this Engineering video approved by the new administration...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0pot1i2Zo


The beginning of that song is freakin' great! Then the guitar comes in and kinda ruins it.

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I like this Wall:


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If you really want to know about the wall, you have to watch this Engineering video approved by the new administration...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0pot1i2Zo


The beginning of that song is freakin' great! Then the guitar comes in and kinda ruins it.


Oh, a music critic! Outta here, Gettim outta here, out!

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The good ole days .... that was fun to watch ... thanks for sharing ...




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https://www.yahoo.com/news/wsj-trump-cli...-153017659.html


WSJ: Trump clings to wiretap claim ‘like a drunk to an empty gin bottle,’ damaging his credibility

Dylan Stableford 1 hour 4 minutes ago .

Trump hugs a U.S. flag at a rally in Tampa, Fla., in October. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)

Trump hugs a U.S. flag at a rally in Tampa in October. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)

President Trump is clinging to his wiretapping claim “like a drunk to an empty gin bottle,” the Wall Street Journal said in a scathing editorial published Tuesday night. And that claim, floating in the president’s “seemingly endless stream of exaggerations, evidence-free accusations, implausible denials and other falsehoods,” is severely damaging his credibility, both at home and abroad.

“If President Trump announces that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe him? Would the rest of the world? We’re not sure,” the paper said.

The Journal slammed Trump’s evidence-free assertion that former President Barack Obama ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower before the 2016 presidential election. Trump leveled his explosive charge on Twitter on March 4, and the White House has refused to back down, even after FBI Director James Comey dismissed the allegation as unfounded.

“He has offered no evidence for his claim, and a parade of intelligence officials, senior Republicans and Democrats have since said they have seen no such evidence,” the paper’s editorial board wrote.

The president has plenty of media critics, and the Journal’s editorial board was not particularly supportive of his candidacy. But the editorial is striking, given the paper’s traditionally conservative tone. Its owner, Rupert Murdoch, also owns Fox News, Trump’s favorite cable news network.

“Two months into his presidency, Gallup has Mr. Trump’s approval rating at 39 percent,” the editorial continued. “No doubt Mr. Trump considers that fake news, but if he doesn’t show more respect for the truth, most Americans may conclude he’s a fake President.”


The paper also pointed out how Trump’s refusal to back off his evidence-free claim has co-opted what could have been a positive news cycle.

“This week should be dominated by the smooth political sailing for Mr. Trump’s Supreme Court nominee and the progress of health-care reform on Capitol Hill,” the editorial said. “These are historic events, and success will show he can deliver on his promises. But instead, the week has been dominated by the news that he was repudiated by his own FBI director.”
Comey says 'no information' to support Trump wiretap claim

During Monday's House Intelligence Committee hearing, FBI Director James Comey said he had "no information" to support President Trump's tweets that he had been wiretapped by President Obama.


The Journal wasn’t the only paper to publish a Trump takedown Tuesday. In an op-ed for the Washington Post, former Obama national security adviser Susan Rice warned that false statements from the Trump White House “are part of a disturbing pattern of behavior that poses real and potentially profound dangers to U.S. national security.”

“First impressions matter,” she wrote, “and an unsettling pattern has already been established.”

“The foundation of the United States’ unrivaled global leadership rests only in part on our military might, the strength of our economy and the power of our ideals,” Rice explained. “It is also grounded in the perception that the United States is steady, rational and fact-based. To lead effectively, the United States must maintain respect and trust. So, when a White House deliberately dissembles and serially contorts the facts, its actions pose a serious risk to America’s global leadership, among friends and adversaries alike.”

Following Comey’s testimony, the New York Times published an op-ed titled “All the President’s Lies.”

“The ninth week of Donald Trump’s presidency began with the F.B.I. director calling him a liar,” the Times’ David Leonhardt wrote. “Comey didn’t use the L-word in his congressional testimony Monday. Comey serves at the pleasure of the president, after all. But his meaning was clear as could be.”

“I’ve previously argued that not every untruth deserves to be branded with the L-word, because it implies intent and somebody can state an untruth without doing so knowingly,” Leonhardt continued. “But the current president of the United States lies. He lies in ways that no American politician ever has before. He has lied about — among many other things — Obama’s birthplace, John F. Kennedy’s assassination, Sept. 11, the Iraq War, ISIS, NATO, military veterans, Mexican immigrants, Muslim immigrants, anti-Semitic attacks, the unemployment rate, the murder rate, the Electoral College, voter fraud and his groping of women.

“He tells so many untruths that it’s time to leave behind the textual parsing over which are unwitting and which are deliberate,” Leonhardt added, “as well as the condescending notion that most of Trump’s supporters enjoy his lies.”

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I'm beginning to think he actually wants to expose top players of the Republican party for what they truly are and he doesn't care what happens to his presidency or legacy. I can't think of any other explanation that makes sense.


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But people talked about it long ago during the election that he just has to get the last punch in and can not say I am sorry or I was wrong. Just not able to

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Well we are gonna do some spring cleaning, shovel the trash into buckets and throw them over the wall...err...fence!

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Be there's no space for those pesky Klan members are there?


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But people talked about it long ago during the election that he just has to get the last punch in and can not say I am sorry or I was wrong. Just not able to


He was trained from a very young age to never say you're wrong or to apologize. It's ingrained in him. He's programmed that way. To direct and divert away from weaknesses. People like this go to great lengths to cover flaws. Hence the baggy suits, hair comb over, hair coloring, Tax evasion. You name it. These are the same people that are first to point out the flaws of others. Bullies are bullies because they feel they are the ones being picked on.


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Trump team communications captured by intelligence community surveillance, Nunes says

Members of the intelligence community collected ‘incidental’ communications of the Trump transition team during legal surveillance operations, producing ‘dozens’ of reports which eventually unmasked several individuals’ identities and which were ‘widely disseminated,’ a top lawmaker said Wednesday afternoon.

House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said none of the reports he had read mentioned Russia or Russians and he was unsure whether the surveillance occurred at Trump Tower. Nunes also was unsure if then President-elect Trump was captured by the surveillance, which occurred in November, December and January.

“I recently confirmed on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected intelligence,” Nunes said.

The revelations appear to at least partially back up allegations made by Trump earlier this month, in which he tweeted that former President Barack Obama had "wiretapped" him.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/...nunes-says.html

-OH MY!!!

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What? No comment from the Peanut Gallery? rofl

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House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said none of the reports he had read mentioned Russia or Russians and he was unsure whether the surveillance occurred at Trump Tower. Nunes also was unsure if then President-elect Trump was captured by the surveillance, which occurred in November, December and January.


So Obama still never tapped his 'wires'. No comment?

In the surveillance state we live in created under GWB, there is a fair chance we are all incidentally collected every few months... AND 'transition Team" = election over. Doesn't know if Trump was collected. Doesn't know if it was at Trump Towers.

So basically this proves nothing for Trump, but wave your proof flag 40, wave your flag.

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What? No comment from the Peanut Gallery? rofl


Geez dude relax...This just happened. Pres Sect. Spicer won't even comment on it yet.


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No disrespect, but I am waiting for FACTS before I respond to this piece-mail.
I want documents with signatures on the bottom from the officials conducting the investigations. No "fake news" or speculation gets my attention.

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Asked if he thought Trump was spied on, Nunes replied: "I'm not gonna get into legal definitions here, but clearly I have a concern."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/...nunes-says.html

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con·cern
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relate to; be about.
"the story concerns a friend of mine"
synonyms: be about, deal with, have to do with, cover; More
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worry (someone); make anxious.
"the roof of the barn concerns me because eventually it will fall in"
synonyms: worry, disturb, trouble, bother, perturb, unsettle, make anxious
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Another proof flag... whatever.

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Come on 40 ... based off his and his admin's history of beiing honest and telling us the truth ... I'm sure oBUMa or his admin had nothing to do with this .. NOTHING ..... NO WAY would he sick and agency after an individual or group ... NO WAY ... him and his admin definetly earned my respect with their truthfulness and straightforwardness when it comes to keeping us informed ...... rolleyes




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The definition of concern is a belief system by the projected person. Speculation as they have no proof yet.

I will carry on, nothing to see here, YET.

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