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#1 Garrett
#12 Trubisky

Sounds good to me ...

Two guys I think have a very real chance at being terrible as far as NFL careers.

But it may be too late to convince anyone. Certainly not safe picks, I'd say.

Guess we have to let it play out.

Only reason I'm okay with Trub at 12, is because Adams, Hooker, and Lattimore are all gone. Not sure if getting Peppers at 12 would be considered a reach or not.

I wouldn't take Peppers in the first two rounds.

what the heck are you smoking?

I would completely be fine with that first round. Watson or Trubisky at 12 would be fine with me. For whatever reason I think the franchise is hell bent on getting a QB this year. If there is any consensus about the QB position it's that these two are the best prospects so take one and get him ready to play.

I was really high on Allen earlier in the off season but I see no argument that Garrett is the #1 overall prospect. The fact that the Brown's pass rush is anemic seals it for me.

I'd take him in a heartbeat @ 33.

Yeah, he is a polarizing figure.

A lot of people love him.

I think he is the classic jack of all trades, master of none type of player. Those guys don't work out. There are exceptions, but typically, a guy needs a position.

I think he is way too small to play LBer. I think he lacks the quick twitch ability to play in the secondary. I think he is a guy who would be a good returner, be dynamite on special teams, and get some carries and receptions on gadget plays on offense, as well as being used as a dime package guy.

I would not draft that kind of player w/in the first two rounds.

No, sure wouldn't take Peppers in the 1st 2 rounds. He don't seem to play very good in OH-IO!!!!

I wouldn't take Peppers at pick 112. He is unbelievably overrated.

Anyone know where Maycock has Peppers rated?? I think he's one of the better national analysts... Certainly light years ahead of Mel

Not sure how this got onto Peppers but that guy is a developmental tweener without a position. Anytime I hear "can return kicks" when promoting a guy for a a 1st round pick.....I AM OUT on that player.

WAY too small to play linebacker except in nickel and dime. Showed no instincts in pass coverage as a safety. Honestly his best position would probably have been running back.

He is a developmental safety, maybe he's better than Taylor Mays but maybe not.

I don't think Mayock has his big board out yet. I did see where he had Peppers as his 3rd best safety, after Adams and Hooker.

He had him ahead of Baker. I think that is ludicrous.

I don't disagree with your assessment of the Safties, at some point disagreement will be inevitable, LOL. I think there are other priorities we'll address in round 1. Like Mel's picks, I don't see the team overlooking Garrett and a QB if one is available at 12.

The team has signaled that they want to do something at Safety. The player I think could be the hybrid defender that Williams uses in his defense is Josh Jones of NC State. I like him better than Melafonwu or Peppers for that role.

Peppers is actually the top safety in his updated rankings. I'm not sure what he's seeing.

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I was starting to get interested in Josh Jones, but Daniel Jeremiah tweeted he could sneak into the 1st round possibly. I don't think I like him that much. He seems more of a strong safety, and I think we need a free more.

A mistake like that at #12 will only serve to get this regime fired in a couple of years and yet another re-boot.

I am shocked. I *assume* that the projection is that he can be an impact player like Polamalu playing mostly closer up to the box ?? I don't see it. I don't think he is talented enough for a Def Coordinator to scheme specifically for him to make an impact.

Get him ready to play when? Consensus seems to be that Watson is closer to being ready to play but still not ready and Trubisky might be a couple years away from being ready to play.

My opinion is that Watson is the safer pick as far as being a decent/good QB... Trubisky has a higher ceiling but if not developed properly could be out of the league in 2-3 years.. and we aren't known for developing anything, let alone QBs.

And we have a long standing tradition of drafting a QB, saying he's going to sit for at least a year, maybe longer... then week 8, start him.... then by week 14, declare him a bust and start to boo him...

you mean he's starting by week 3, declared a bust week 4.

Whether I or you think they are ready QBs haven't been sitting for a full season very often in today's NFL. I like Watson some what better than Trubisky largely for his game experience. But I realize that they're both the highest graded QBs. The only way we'll know for sure which guy they prefer is if both are on the board when we take a QB. But whoever the Brown's select I think he'll see the field at some point in the regular season.

We have Kindred, Reynolds and Powell who can compete at the FS position. Not saying that absolutely solves the position but we have guys who can man that position. The hybrid DB that Williams has used in his scheme is a guy who must play closer to the line of scrimmage, hence SS. TJ McDonald was that guy with the Rams, SS.

I kind of think the same thing.

I like to look at all these mocks and project. Just looking at Mel's mock, so Mitch goes before us? That means one of those guys is going to be available. How does that look?

Then say we don't go Mitch and look at the first 5-6 names after we pick?

Pretty good either way IMO.

Kindred is not a FS. He got fried when we tried to play him there last year. He is a SS, and I think he is at best--a backup.

Reynolds stinks. He was cut for a reason.

Who is Powell?

I think the secondary needs serious upgrading. I don't like to make predictions about who we will draft or when, but I do think that the Browns will use multiple picks on players who play in the secondary.

Tyvis Powell 2nd year pro from Ohio State. Played special teams for Seattle last season after being an UDFA. Seattle cut him Jan 6th to make room for Devin Hester because their kick returner got injured the previous week. The Browns picked him up in early Feb. He went on twitter and claimed to be very happy the Browns have always been his favorite team.

Thank you. I remember him, now. I don't think he is an answer. I'm a big Buckeye fan and he was okay.

I really think the secondary needs serious upgrades.

But, thanks again for the information. I appreciate it.

Agreed. Except I think that Kindred has a chance to be a starter. The guy plays with real heart. He made some bonehead mistakes last year, over pursuing/committing and bad coverage, but he was ferocious out there. Full speed always headed for the ball.

I don't think that's a bad thing.


But the rest of our safeties were nowhere, and we need big help at CB as well. I'd expect at the least a safety and corner in the first three rounds.

I think Peppers best role would be like Josh Cribbs. He seems at his best when he can dictate the action. When he has to react not so much. There is definitely a place for him, but I don't think he will be a stud defender.

A player that has actually caught my eye recently for sort of that LB/S Hybrid is Tyus Bowser from Houston. Can cover, can blitz. Seems to deflect a bunch of balls when he doesn't get home. He's a little on the bigger side for the LB/S hybrid, but I think that fits the AFC North. The Louisville game is fun to watch. The Houston D did a good job of shutting down Lamar Jackson. I'll have to look into him more.

Ed Reynolds was much better than the rest of the guys we put out there at safety last year, but when he's your best guy back there, I would say the need for a safety is pretty urgent. Having somebody that a QB actually worried about would be very beneficial on the back end.

I wonder if Tyvis Powell was signed to possibly fill that role?

The one thing I have to say is that they had better be right if they draft either Mtrub or Watson. The NFL usually ALWAYS gives a first round QB at least three years to develop. Unless of course you end up with a craptastrophe like Little Johnnie.

That will put this FO and coaching staff at the end of year four.

If they blow it on a first round QB this year in the top half of the draft, they'll be gambling their careers on it.

That is the case whenever they decide to take "their" QB. As far as that goes at some point the fact they haven't picked "their" QB will be the reason they will be gone if they don't select one.

At the end of the day this FO (or any FO) is judged by their ability to find and develop a QB. If they draft the wrong one.....gone. If they keep punting because they can't make a decision....gone. At some point (not necessarily this year) they have to draft one and do everything they know to do to create an environment for him to be successful.

Because I listed the guys currently on the roster by name should not be interpreted as an endorsement. By the way, Ed Reynolds has not been released. He remains on the roster. As far a Kindred is concerned, he definitely played deep at TCU. My recollection is that at some point early last year Campbell started at Strong and Kindred at Free before the injury bug made its way to the secondary.

It seems premature to decide who can do what in Greg William's secondary in March. The main point of my post was that a strong safety with the skill set of a hybrid defender, a SS/OLB type of player, is not likely on the team at this time.

I wasn't criticizing you, guard. Just giving my take on those guys.

I do have to reiterate this: Kindred was awful at FS last year. I said he was not a FS when we drafted him and he was absolutely horrid at that position last year. He did better at SS after Reynolds came in and took over the FS spot.

I just think this is a great class for corners and safeties and our secondary is very weak. I hope we address this unit in a huge way this upcoming draft.

Ok, that's fair. I agree we have the picks, we should be able to get some help in the draft. Since we need to improve so many positions it will be interesting to see how the FO executes this draft. DE- elite pass rusher, interior D line, secondary. The only place on defense we may not need to add guys is the linebacking corp.

I am guessing and have absolutely no proof that this will happen, but I think we'll draft multiple secondary guys in this upcoming draft, similar to what we did w/WRs last year.

That might be a strategy they employ. Draft numbers in the hope a few turn out.

My son and I had a conversation about this a few years ago. Rather that draft swiss cheese sytle, meaning draft a little of this and a little of that, attack a position. Go in to the draft determined to fix a position.

We drafted 4 receivers last year. Not sure we fixed the position, but it is a tad early to say we didn't. We'll know more this year. Receivers can take a while to get their feet grounded.

As you said, this is a good year to draft defensive backfield help. Great value even in to the mid rounds. Drafting 3-4 wouldn't hurt anything. Fix a position, or in this case, a unit.