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I'm upset because you don't have the capacity to.
Haus, 40, DC, Arch, TB, Vers, and my personal favorite, Eve all can flex.
It would be awesome if you could finally get with the program
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Did we just get three pump chumped by the Republicans? Haven't they had close to a decade now to get a health care together and they still can't? Apparently Bannon asked a bunch of Republicans to vote for the bill and they just laughed at his face. What a failure. Not at all. You and many others on here cried over this healthcare mess, hated everything the Republicans suggested. The Democrats hated everything about it too. The Republican Conservatives will not be part of this giant welfare program. Now you and the rest got exactly what you wanted, nothing new and the same great ObamaCare system you love. Again, Congrats.
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Honestly, I feel like I got it all wrong bro.
I gave bannon and Trump way too much credit. I thought they was gonna have the Republican Party by the balls and bend them to their will. I thought an all republican government was gonna the catalyst to bannon and Trump changing government to their will.
Oops. Come to find out that they all have no idea what they're doing. It's been failure after failure.
It's to the point that if the Russian allegations are true, I won't know how to react. Because trump has accomplished pretty much nothing that damaging.
There are people in news outlets saying this is possibly the worst first 100 days of a presidency in history.
And the sad part is that it hasn't even been 100 days yet.
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LOL. MSM is reading laundry lists of everything that has gone wrong in primetime! So much stuff that half of it I forgot already.
And don't get me started with the loss of credibility around the world, the alienation of our strongest and oldest allies, and the mocking of all the 'winning' going on... smh
At this point I almost hope he does something right just to stop the laughing for a moment or two because everybody's jaws are starting to hurt.
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I have been busy and finally got back to the Boards.
I congratulate the Democrats on this victory of keeping ObamaCare as the Law of the Land.
You did not just say that, you really did not just say that! The dems didn't have a damn thing to do with keeping Obamacare the law of the land...the republicans failed at MAKING SOMETHING ELSE the law of the land.
I am sorry to see the Republicans fractured as a party but do understand the Conservatives not wanting to approve a new Welfare program as they see it.
Any objective observer would see this as another welfare program.
I am sorry Trump was not able to negotiate the deal and wonder how much else he can get done with zero Democrats and only 2/3 of Republicans behind him.
All he has to do is WHAT HE SAID HE'D DO! And he'll have the other 1/3 of republicans behind him.
I am THRILLED that I won't have to hear 4 years of crying over TrumpCare failing here and hurting us there. The Republicans will no longer be holding their next Convention in a school gym as some on here have suggested.
They haven't come through on anything big enough yet to count that out.
Those days are behind us now as the Democrats celebrate their victory and the American people celebrate life under ObamaCare.
Congrats to all!
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You mean like actually governing and tweaking the the ACA and make it work, instead of acting petty and just letting it impode?
Cause if the republicans just let the ACA fail, they don't realize that they are digging their own graves.
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The Democrats were victorious in stopping any changes and keeping the ObamaCare they invented.
You were already crying about TrumpCare long before it was voted on. You should be happy The Democrat Plan survived untouched.
The Republicans were trying to fix this mess and failed to.
So you now want to blame Republicans for ObamaCare?
Foolish.
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You mean like actually governing and tweaking the the ACA and make it work, instead of acting petty and just letting it impode?
Cause if the republicans just let the ACA fail, they don't realize that they are digging their own graves. There is no tweaking. Obamacare is a cross road. It's a temporary patch. It's now for us to decide if we want lower health care costs or if we to continue having a society where healthcare is a profit based business.
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There's certainly tweaking they can maybe do now to give politicians more time to come up with a good plan in the next few years.
But I agree. As I said, ACA is the first painful step.
You look around the world, and it's seems we're lacking. How is it that they greatest country in the world doesn't have the greatest healthcare system for their citizens?
Or is it only great because of the chance to get rich?
Just giving different ideas to think about.
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You mean like actually governing and tweaking the the ACA and make it work, instead of acting petty and just letting it impode?
Cause if the republicans just let the ACA fail, they don't realize that they are digging their own graves. Please remember chest thumper, your side of the aisle passed the ACA without even reading it. Remember when McCain asked Obama about his administrations 'transparency'? What did Obama say? It's over John, I won. Pretty petty. Who was it on the left that said 'elections have consequences'? Also petty. Every time the right takes over, the left comes out and says 'I hope they'll work with us and be bipartisan'. Every time the left takes control it's...oh wait, what did Obama say? Something about not minding if they (republicans) are in the car, but they have to sit in the backseat or something like that? How Rosa Parks of him! Sad thing is, everyone that voted for Trump voted for him because we knew Obamacare was a failure, was only gonna get worse and wasn't going to solve the problem and wasn't even meant to. It's not like we needed to see Obamacare implode to want something different. So Trump & Co. giving conservatives some kind of 'ultimatum' isn't going to work.
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Why Rosa Parks bro? Lol
From your viewpoint i get it.
But here's the thing: Obama had the Dems loyalty. They trust and believe in Obama. So obama rallied the party and got things passed. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy that got passed.
Trump, the "greatest deal maker", Mr. art of the deal. The greatest Uniter, couldnt unite his troops and get the mission accomplished.
As a matter of fact, he endorsed a deal that was absolutely NOTHING of what was promised by him.
The Dems as a minority party are holding strong.
Y'all got the majority, and yet do nothing but completely wet the bed.
Come on bro. As some point the republican party has to grow a pair and get major promises that their voters want passed. This ain't looking too good.
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The Democrats were victorious in stopping any changes and keeping the ObamaCare they invented.
You were already crying about TrumpCare long before it was voted on. You should be happy The Democrat Plan survived untouched.
The Republicans were trying to fix this mess and failed to.
So you now want to blame Republicans for ObamaCare?
Foolish.
My conservatism has been on my sleeve on this board and the old one going back to 08. Yours is in serious question. Are you a conservative, or a republican? There's a huge difference. You're not spinning my words. I didn't blame republicans for Obamacare. I haven't been 'crying' about Trump care, I've been criticizing it because it was only Obamacare light. They had 7 years to come up with a genuine small government free market solution and all they did was water down the ACA, it wouldn't have fixed anything.
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The Democrats were victorious in stopping any changes and keeping the ObamaCare they invented.
You were already crying about TrumpCare long before it was voted on. You should be happy The Democrat Plan survived untouched.
The Republicans were trying to fix this mess and failed to.
So you now want to blame Republicans for ObamaCare?
Foolish.
My conservatism has been on my sleeve on this board and the old one going back to 08. Yours is in serious question. Are you a conservative, or a republican? There's a huge difference. You're not spinning my words. I didn't blame republicans for Obamacare. I haven't been 'crying' about Trump care, I've been criticizing it because it was only Obamacare light. They had 7 years to come up with a genuine small government free market solution and all they did was water down the ACA, it wouldn't have fixed anything. I am a Conservative Republican. Your explanation of your stand on Healthcare does not match with the understanding I took away from your posts. If I misunderstood them I apologize. I say we hold a vote on Monday for Repeal only. It would sail through without a hitch but Trump would veto it because he wanted something better for America.
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Why Rosa Parks bro? Lol
From your viewpoint i get it.
But here's the thing: Obama had the Dems loyalty. They trust and believe in Obama. So obama rallied the party and got things passed. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy that got passed.
I would say that Trump has 'some' of the rights loyalty, but not enough (which is as it should be). The Freedom Caucus did what they should have and stand by what they promised when their constituents voted for them. I emailed both my senator and congressman and told them not to vote for this thing. Never heard anything back from either of them and they didn't hold a vote for it so...hopefully they come up with something that really looks like what they all ran on next time this comes around.
Trump, the "greatest deal maker", Mr. art of the deal. The greatest Uniter, couldnt unite his troops and get the mission accomplished.
Shoulda come up with a genuine solution then eh?
As a matter of fact, he endorsed a deal that was absolutely NOTHING of what was promised by him.
Well aware o' that.
The Dems as a minority party are holding strong.
Holding what strong? All they can do is sit back and watch. Much like 09 was for the right.
Y'all got the majority, and yet do nothing but completely wet the bed.
This is the first major 'setback'. It hasn't even been 70 days yet has it? Wouldn't call it wetting the bed yet.
Come on bro. As some point the republican party has to grow a pair and get major promises that their voters want passed. This ain't looking too good.
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The Democrats were victorious in stopping any changes and keeping the ObamaCare they invented.
You were already crying about TrumpCare long before it was voted on. You should be happy The Democrat Plan survived untouched.
The Republicans were trying to fix this mess and failed to.
So you now want to blame Republicans for ObamaCare?
Foolish.
My conservatism has been on my sleeve on this board and the old one going back to 08. Yours is in serious question. Are you a conservative, or a republican? There's a huge difference. You're not spinning my words. I didn't blame republicans for Obamacare. I haven't been 'crying' about Trump care, I've been criticizing it because it was only Obamacare light. They had 7 years to come up with a genuine small government free market solution and all they did was water down the ACA, it wouldn't have fixed anything. I am a Conservative Republican. Your explanation of your stand on Healthcare does not match with the understanding I took away from your posts. If I misunderstood them I apologize. I say we hold a vote on Monday for Repeal only. It would sail through without a hitch but Trump would veto it because he wanted something better for America. Be honest, does what they brought forth sound ANYTHING like what they've been campaigning on for the last 7 years? Why do you think there was a 'revolt' against it? It wasn't what they promised and on this issue we're not going to settle for anything less than a real solution. Have you heard of the Overton Window? Beck talks about it all the time, even wrote a piece of fiction based on the concept. What the progressives (both left and right) are trying to do is shift the public perception of acceptability on this (and other issues). The ACA was WAAAY over here, so the AHCA walks it back to only WAAY over here. Well, real conservatives aren't having any of that. You promised 'this', you better deliver 'this'.
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Balderdash!
It was much more simple than that.
Republicans wanted to Repeal and would have voted for it overwhelmingly.
Trump wanted a replacement too.
Trump, his people and Ryan put together the plan for replacement but it met with crying from the Moderate Republicans and Bawling from the Conservatives.
The Democrats wanted no part of it.
Trump and Ryan tweaked the plan to pick up the Moderates and that ticked off the Conservatives. They tweaked it towards the Conservatives as far as they could but started losing Moderate votes. The highest number of votes they could get was with this watered down version.
Trump looked at it and knew it would not win because it didn't have enough votes. He told Ryan to put it to a vote because maybe the Conservatives would come along so as to not look divided. When, at the last minute he saw they would not give, they pulled the bill.
He could not take it left or right in the end because he would lose votes on one side as he gained votes on the other side. It was a wash.
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I knew you would like "Balderdash".
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Believe what you want. This was no small government free market solution.
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I believe what I know. A Conservative plan with smaller government involvement and free market solution would have been completely rejected by Moderates. And of course the Democrats want ObamaCare.
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Why are price caps a bad idea? Please give me a reason other than "TEH SOCIALISTS=EVALLLLL!!!!111!11!!!!!11!!!". What does that mean?
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They've made themselves a RULING CLASS and not a gov't of the people by the people ... its kind of hard to say its gov't of the people by the people when the people in office pass laws THEY DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY and don't affect them at all ... So you agree we should receive the same healthcare that 46 receives? Why not write to him, and propose he gives all Americans the same healthcare that he receives? Why didn't O pass that for all of us common plebes?
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Why are price caps a bad idea? Please give me a reason other than "TEH SOCIALISTS=EVALLLLL!!!!111!11!!!!!11!!!". What does that mean? That means he was losing it and pounding out "The socialists= evil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in a fit of anger because he and I are of different minds on ALL issues.
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I read the last page....well, most of it, but not all because I got disgusted.
Where is the commentary on Health Care? All I am seeing is a bunch of hateful, biased insults from both sides.
Refs...............this is why some of us think that these political threads need their own forum.
Typically, there are less than a dozen posters who dominate these threads, and ultimately, this forum w/their constant insulting posts and narrow-minded views.
Intelligent conversation is impossible in such an environment.
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Was it?
Can you show me where you guys were trying to educate anyone on the last page about the merits of either plan?
I think that all the posts were just one insult after another.
I get that you enjoy that type of posting, but there are several of you that ruin intelligent conversation for the rest of us because you dominate every freaking political thread and it isn't about learning..........it's about insulting the opposing side.
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As a left-leaning moderate, I'm a bit disappointed that nothing changed. I'm not "for Obamacare" as much as I AM for a better solution for all of us.
The R's had 7+ years to come up with something better. Something that could unite the whole party and *gasp* even get some Dem's on board too.
In all this time, this is the best they can do?
Anyway, I hope this isn't completely dead.
When the POTUS says that they best thing politically is to let Obamacare implode, what is he saying there? Make it so bad for the American people that the health care industry falls apart? Can someone explain to me how this helps the American people and Makes America Great Again? When everyone is suffering so much, they'll be able to say "told you so"? Is that what kind of childish thinking is going on here by Trump?
Shouldn't this topic be a never-ending priority for everyone in Congress? Why quit on it now?
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When everyone is suffering so much, they'll be able to say "told you so"? Is that what kind of childish thinking is going on here by Trump?
It is completely safe to say "told you so" is the attitude that permeates all of American politics on both sides, and it is no longer tolerable. We need to start taking term limits seriously.
Shouldn't this topic be a never-ending priority for everyone in Congress? Why quit on it now?
Absolutely.
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No worries ... OUR fighters got this ... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/...epublicans.htmlPence vows Trump will continue ObamaCare fight, calls out Democrats and Republicans Vice President Pence tried Saturday to deliver a pep-talk to Americans after fellow Republicans’ failed effort to overhaul ObamaCare -- admitting that members are “back to the drawing board” but vowing that President Trump will “keep fighting.”
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Ted's right on this one 40 ...
BAD BILL ... Dissapointed in Donnie that he backed it ... very bummed actually ... its not a good sign ...
Ryan is a part of the swamp Donnie wants to drain ... this bill clearly showed that ... it looked like it came right out of a lobbyist play book ... will be interested to see how Ryan pivots from this and how it affects his working relationship with Donnie ...
I was worried the day Rand Paul went around looking for it ... it was not a good sign and told me it was done between a few or a very very small group ... not the way to do it with so many fractions ... u need to get everyone involved early when there's so many points of view or your result will be exactly what happend ...
It was a BAD BILL ... we owe the freedom caucus and the mods a thank U on this one ... they did a good thing for ALL OF US IMO this time ...
Get behind closed doors, bring in a few from each "faction" and take your time and do it right!
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These are good points, trouble is, Donnie can't 'drain the swamp'. He doesn't vote our representatives and senators into office, we do.
And so long as we have nothing but a two party system with no TERM LIMITS we're going to be stuck fearing what the other party will do if we let go of the swamp dweller we currently have.
Paul Ryan is not a small government conservative. He's a progressive and this bill proved it.
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How much of our insurance premiums go to paying lobbyists? What business does the insurance company have taking my money and rationing off a portion of it to pay someone to grease the palms of a politician?
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How much of our insurance premiums go to paying lobbyists? What business does the insurance company have taking my money and rationing off a portion of it to pay someone to grease the palms of a politician, so the politician can pass law that allows the insurance company to get even more of our money Completed the hampster wheel for U Mr. Ted ...
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How much of our insurance premiums go to paying lobbyists? What business does the insurance company have taking my money and rationing off a portion of it to pay someone to grease the palms of a politician, so the politician can pass law that allows the insurance company to get even more of our money Completed the hampster wheel for U Mr. Ted ... Yeah you did.
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Ted and Diam.
I still say if they came out with a Conservative Plan as you suggest they should have, the Moderates would have rejected it outright. This was a Moderate plan and the Conservatives rejected it outright. How can you have any plan if you don't have the numbers to pass it?
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The GOP controls 2 of the 3 branches of the federal government, like 2/3 of the state branches yet they still don't have the votes to pass their legislation; republican tears...
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I'm not "for Obamacare" as much as I AM for a better solution for all of us.
I agree. I don't care about attribution or whose bill shapes the future... as long as America gets help.
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I still say if they came out with a Conservative Plan as you suggest they should have, the Moderates would have rejected it outright. This was a Moderate plan and the Conservatives rejected it outright. How can you have any plan if you don't have the numbers to pass it? U can't ... thats why u bring in all the factions from the get go ... thats the best shot this has ... We'll see what was learned and what happens next ... will be interesting to watch how this evolves and how the relationships within the repub party change .... Interesting stuff ... evolving like never before ....
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