A source told ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi that the Browns "would make another run" at trading for Jimmy Garoppolo at this week's Owners Meetings.
Convening in Phoenix for a few days of meetings, the Patriots' and Browns' top decision-makers -- Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick of the Patriots and Jimmy Haslam and Sashi Brown of the Browns -- will be in the same building, making for easier conversations of a potential deal. There have been several reports of the Patriots being adamant they won't trade Garoppolo, but the Browns are going to try their best. Grossi believes either Garoppolo or Cody Kessler will be the Week 1 starter.
ProfootballTalk ran with a click-bait story, either last night or this morning, citing "the most clued-in Browns' sources MKC and Tony Grossi" re: Garappolo and got a laugh out of it. National media has far better contacts and there are plenty of local ones with better access as well.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Most people want Garoppolo, but not for a first round pick. Less people want Garoppolo and are willing to give up the 12th pick. Razorthorns thinks Garoppolo is the best QB in the league.
Once again, your criteria is too rigid and you are not factoring in certain circumstances. Anyone can come up w/a set of criteria to make it fit their opinion.
Here is the thing w/the Jimmy G situation. It seems that the people who are against trading for him point circumstantial evidence, such as "starting out as a back-up and then being traded..." "Matt Cassell sucks..." "he's just a back-up qb..," etc
And, most people who are in favor of trading for Jimmy G point to more concrete evidence, such as accuracy, quick release, leadership, athleticism, intelligence, making pre-snap reads, reading coverages post-snap, arm strength, etc and use actual game tape and quotes from coaches and players.
It's no contest in terms of legitimacy.
So starting your career as a backup for one team and being traded to another is too rigid? There are hundreds who meet those criteria. And very few who are successful. It'll work for us,though.
Every situation with these/those guys is different yet similar...I just don't remember people talking about other backups - from a skill set standpoint - like they talk about JG...THAT and how many of those guys were 2nd Rd picks? I don't have an answer...just a question to consider...it doesn't mean they are right or wrong.
I think JG was drafted to be the heir-apparent...but the incumbent GOAT isn't going anywhere...and seemingly for awhile. It didn't play out the way many thought it would. I still think this situation is rather unique...but the difficulty in predicting success/failure is the same.
I don't think he is the best in the league. I have never once said that. I have said he is better than any QB in THIS draft. I have said he will be a good franchise QB. Being a franchise qb doesn't mean he is the best in the league. It just means he is good enough to build an offense around. But for instance I don't think he is better than Tom Brady, A.R., or dree brees.
Could he BECOME a top5 QB? I think in the right offensive he certainly could. At the very least I am CERTAIN he can equal or surpass Alex Smith and that is plenty good enough for me.
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Lol, Toni Grossi. He's been trotting out that gem for a few weeks now on WKNR. Grossi hasn't broke a story since '89. His "reporting" amounts to him refreshing his twitter timeline....no offense, Diam.
The more I have thought about it, do the Browns actually even want Garoppolo? I have seen nothing to indicate they actually want him. Everything comes across as media speculation as nothing more than attempting to draw the conclusion that the Browns need a QB and have ammo and the Pats can't afford to keep him and don't have a draft pick until the 3rd round. Therefore, the Browns are going after Garoppolo!
Time will tell. Some of the trades suggested are absurd, however.
At the very least I am CERTAIN he can equal or surpass Alex Smith and that is plenty good enough for me.
I would be severely disappointed if we traded for Garoppolo and he only became Alex Smith. I do not think Alex Smith is good at all and his team wins despite him, not because of him.
Is the source mentioned that "homeless guy" again? Did we put him on the payroll? Maybe a parking valet? I expect one more run at it before the draft. We will pursue it, but slobber all over that potentiality IMO. So we should know before the draft precisely how to proceed.
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If we go after Garoppolo I hope we don't let BB fleece us, I woud offer #52 and our last 2 next year and tell NE take it or leave it !!!
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But as we have seen with plenty of examples in the past, including Brock Osweiler (Texans) and Matt Flynn (Seahawks), teams who have taken big gambles on quarterbacks with little starting experience in the NFL have swung and missed on occasion. That fear carries over to Garoppolo, who only has one more year remaining on his rookie contract before he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2018. Any team who may potentially be interested in him will have to not only consider how much Garoppolo is worth in a trade, but the fact that he may not be with that team after next season.
Granted, a team that trades for Garoppolo should/would likely try to approach about a long-term contract extension in order to at least get more than one season of play from what is going to be a big investment. But two problems emerge from there as well: “What is Garoppolo worth?” and “Will he sign an extension before hitting free agency?” With the salary cap rising each and every year in the NFL, quarterback contracts seem to be getting larger as well. So it makes it hard to pinpoint exactly what a quarterback of his experience would be worth.
The other point is whether or not Garoppolo would be interested in signing a contract extension before hitting free agency. If he were to be a starting quarterback for a team in 2017 and do very well, whatever extension he may sign before free agency may be a bargain for the team, but not for him. So the idea of him losing money may be enough for him (and his agent) to want to take a gamble on himself. Plus, if he gets traded to a team he may not want to be on long-term, it would be rather hard to sign him to an extension. Money talks and it may very well be the case for Mr. Garoppolo.
Has any player ever flat out asked to be franchise tagged? That has to be sweet money, not as a longer contract with guarantee. So we could tag him as could the Pats if he is kept. Or does the tag not apply to him yet?
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
PHOENIX -- Could New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady really play until he's 46 or 47 years old?
That's the target range Brady highlighted in a recent conversation with owner Robert Kraft.
"As recently as 2-3 days ago, he assured me he'd be willing to play six to seven more years and at the level he performed," Kraft said Monday at the NFL's annual meeting. "There's no one that would be happier than I, and our fan base."
Tom Brady enters his 18th season with the Patriots in 2017. John David Mercer-USA TODAY Sports Brady turns 40 on Aug. 3, and the question of how much longer he'll play has been widely discussed and analyzed, in part because it could affect the Patriots' plans with backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, who enters the final year of his contract.
Brady enters his 18th season with the Patriots in 2017, and if he were to reach his goal of six or seven more years with New England, he would smash former Detroit Lions kicker Jason Hanson's NFL record of the most seasons with one team (21).
Only Hanson, Washington Redskins cornerback Darrell Green (20) and Los Angeles Rams offensive tackle Jackie Slater (20) have spent at least 20 seasons with one team.
While Kraft said he would be thrilled if Brady could play into his mid-40s, he acknowledged that Brady would be beating long odds for starting quarterbacks if he did.
"I think there's one player at the age of 40 who had one good year: [Brett] Favre, for the Vikings. He didn't do so well before," he said.
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Kraft said the way Brady lives his life could give him a chance to make history while reaching his goal.
"I think Tommy's sustained excellence is just unbelievable. It's a lifestyle. He's in training now, it's not like he's stopped," he relayed.
"I remember after our first Super Bowl in '01, going down in the training room in the old Foxboro Stadium, three days after we won, he's in there with the music blaring working out. He's really dedicated. The thing that's amazing about him, to this day he hasn't changed as a human being in how he relates to people, but also how he works out. The only thing that's probably changed is how he eats and his diet. I'm not sure avocado ice cream is right for me, but if I could look like him and perform half as well, I guess I'd do it."
As for the 24-year-old Garoppolo, he could provide insurance behind Brady in 2017 before the club could potentially lose him as a free agent in 2018. Because of that, Kraft was asked if there was any scenario in which the Patriots might be inclined to trade Garoppolo this year.
"I don't have the right demeanor of our coach; I charge him to handle all football matters," he said. "We're privileged to have the greatest quarterback in the history of the game, and it looks like he's playing pretty solid. He's off the charts, in my opinion, and we're lucky to have him.
"That's the most important position on the team, needless to say. I don't think anyone could say you have too much depth at that position. I've charged him to make those decisions. I'll leave that with him."
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Tom Brady has made it very well known for a very long time that he wants to play until he is 45. He plans his diet 3 years in advance. He does everything he can to play for that long. And he's been doing it for awhile now. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to win 10 Super Bowls in his career.
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Oh my goodness. What's wrong w/you? Don't you know game tape doesn't tell us anything and that because Cassell isn't very good and there haven't been a ton of QBs who backed up the greatest QB of all time and were successful that means WAY more than game tape, skill set, comments from coaches and players, etc.
I was reading jfan's "logic" as well as the comments from guys like Vambo, Memphis, jfan, cfrs and some others............and the perfect scenario popped into my head:
I really want the Browns to trade for Jimmy G for two reasons:
1. I think he is a very good qb who can solve our problem for around 10 years.
2. It will be hilarious to see the flopping of certain posters if the Browns make the trade. We'll hear things like "I never questioned trading for him. I always wanted him on the team, but I just didn't want to give up 6 first round picks."
What comment did I make that said I didn't want Garappolo??
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but I just didn't want to give up 6 first round picks.
This is just stupid. If you want to call out people's concerns about trading picks for him, at least attempt to be accurate and don't be a drama queen about it.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
So starting your career as a backup for one team and being traded to another is too rigid? There are hundreds who meet those criteria. And very few who are successful. It'll work for us,though.
You completely excluded backup qbs who backed up good to great qbs. And even some stinky qbs.
Brady backed up Bledsoe.
Rodgers backed up Farve.
Young backed up Montana.
Romo backed up all kinds of dudes.
Cousins backed up RGIII.
Manning backed up Warner.
We have to ignore all of that because you put the trade qualifier in there.
And then, we have to eliminate guys like:
--Brees because he started at one point, but he lost his starting job to Rivers.
--Alex Smith because of a similar reason.
--Steve Young because why? Oh wait, he was a backup in TB.
Your criteria is limited and biased. You are not even factoring in that he is playing behind Brady. You are not factoring in that BB drafted him to be the heir apparent. You are not factoring in that Brady is a health freak, is actually getting better w/age, and has said he wants to play until he is at least 45. You are not factoring in that Jimmy G will become a FA after next season. You are not factoring in how can the Pats pay both qbs franchise qb money? You are not factoring in that NE has traded their first overall for Cook. You are not factoring in that NE does not have a pick in the first two rounds. You are not factoring in that the Browns do not have a franchise qb and that HUE said that is his number one priority. You are ignoring Jimmy G's skill set. You are ignoring his game tape. You are ignoring all the glowing comments from teammates, opponents, and coaches. You are ignoring that BB said the transition from Brady to Jimmy G would be seamless.
I could go on and and on and on. But jfan........you are leaving a ton of stuff out of your criteria. Your criteria screams of bias and is lacking in logic and fairness.
During a radio interview on 92.3 The Fan, Browns left tackle Joe Thomas said North Carolina’s Mitchell Trubisky was the best fit for the Browns or any other NFL team.
Sorry........it was kind of a pain in the ass to copy and then make it readable on here, but I'll try:
[quote]Browns’ best player is desperate for Jimmy Garoppolo latest
By Hannah Withiam March 27, 2017 | 8:41pm
Offensive lineman Joe Thomas, a Browns lifer and arguably their best player over 10 troubled seasons, was dreaming of just half the Patriots’ wealth at quarterback Monday when he wondered about Jimmy Garoppolo’s trade value on Twitter.
“I know I’m not very smart, but what am I missing here?” Thomas wrote in a tweet linked to Patriots owner Robert Kraft’s announcement that Tom Brady, at 39, wants to play for six or seven more years. “What are they going to do with Garoppolo?”
“I guess it would make sense that they will keep him and then franchise and trade him next year,” Thomas followed up, trying to piece together the puzzle. “I think they did similar to [Matt] Cassell.”
View image on Twitter Joe Thomas ✔ @joethomas73 I know I'm not very smart, but what am I missing here? What are they going to do with Garoppolo? 6:24 PM - 27 Mar 2017 173 173 Retweets 466 466 likes The Patriots’ three-year backup has been the subject of trade rumors this offseason after he impressed in the first two starts of his career during Brady’s Deflategate suspension. Garoppolo threw for 502 yards and four touchdowns in wins against the Cardinals and Dolphins in Weeks 1 and 2 before going down with a shoulder injury.
The Browns are expected to go after the 25-year-old, as possibly the franchise quarterback they’ve sought seemingly forever. They have the picks — the first, 12th and 33rd overall — if the Patriots decide to put Garoppolo on the market. Of course, with those picks, the Browns could try for a quarterback of their own.
A deal may be best for Thomas, who has grown accustomed to protecting a merry-go-round of futile, journeymen quarterbacks: Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Johnny Manziel and Robert Griffin III, just to name a few.
Another quarterback the 10-time Pro Bowler may have to block for is the NFL’s least wanted: Brock Osweiler. Though the Browns continue to shop Osweiler after receiving him and his $72 million in a trade with the Texans in early March, the lack of interest from teams may push them to cut him before the season.[/quote]
The longer Brady plans on the playing. The more likely JG gets traded.
I do not believe his trade value will be higher, or even be the same next season as it is this season. It will be lower.
I don't understand the "insurance policy" angle in case Brady gets hurt. When you could flip him for picks and make the team better overall, and sign a vet if you're that worried. While developing Brisset or possibly drafting someone mid/late this season.
None. Of. This. Makes. Sense.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Well it is not fair for Jimmy G. As really think that he needs to find a team that can give him that start. Just hope he does not turn into the next Brock O.
What comment did I make that said I didn't want Garappolo??
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but I just didn't want to give up 6 first round picks.
This is just stupid. If you want to call out people's concerns about trading picks for him, at least attempt to be accurate and don't be a drama queen about it.
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I was reading jfan's "logic" as well as the comments from guys like Vambo, Memphis, jfan, cfrs and some others.
It will be hilarious to see the flopping of certain posters if the Browns make the trade. We'll hear things like "I never questioned trading for him. I always wanted him on the team, but I just didn't want to give up 6 first round picks."
Versatile Dog--still waiting for you to actually address this with some substance. Even your only response to jfan was terrible. Where are my comments about not wanting JG? or was this another failed attempt at throwing nonsense at the wall and seeing if it'll stick?
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
You completely excluded backup qbs who backed up good to great qbs. And even some stinky qbs.
Brady backed up Bledsoe.
Rodgers backed up Farve.
Young backed up Montana.
Romo backed up all kinds of dudes.
Cousins backed up RGIII.
Manning backed up Warner.
We have to ignore all of that because you put the trade qualifier in there.
And then, we have to eliminate guys like:
--Brees because he started at one point, but he lost his starting job to Rivers.
--Alex Smith because of a similar reason.
--Steve Young because why? Oh wait, he was a backup in TB.
Your criteria is limited and biased. You are not even factoring in that he is playing behind Brady. You are not factoring in that BB drafted him to be the heir apparent. You are not factoring in that Brady is a health freak, is actually getting better w/age, and has said he wants to play until he is at least 45. You are not factoring in that Jimmy G will become a FA after next season. You are not factoring in how can the Pats pay both qbs franchise qb money? You are not factoring in that NE has traded their first overall for Cook. You are not factoring in that NE does not have a pick in the first two rounds. You are not factoring in that the Browns do not have a franchise qb and that HUE said that is his number one priority. You are ignoring Jimmy G's skill set. You are ignoring his game tape. You are ignoring all the glowing comments from teammates, opponents, and coaches. You are ignoring that BB said the transition from Brady to Jimmy G would be seamless.
I could go on and and on and on. But jfan........you are leaving a ton of stuff out of your criteria. Your criteria screams of bias and is lacking in logic and fairness.
Lol. Now your floundering. All but two of these guys were retained by the team that obtained them. Of course I put the trade qualifier in there because it's about as relevant as you can get in this situation, I can't believe you even said that. And now you're fabricating BS to make your point. Brees didn't back up Rivers (he started every game his last season in SD) and Young started 14 games his last season in Tampa Bay. They were not backups when traded.
My criteria is simply "a drafted backup that was traded to another team and became successful". It rarely happens. It's not pinholing as you're trying to make it out to be. If anything, you're the one trying to add extraneous factors into the equation to make your case.
If we had to factor in all kinds of details into every situation, criteria would have no meaning.
Once again, I'm not against trading some of our non first round draft picks for JG.
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