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While the author tries too hard to impress w/ language, he rises some good points and I will highlight the part that reminds me so much of the arguments that occur on this board: Opinion: Americans are now utterly intolerant of ever being told they’re wrong about almost anythingPublished: Mar 30, 2017 3:14 a.m. ET By TOM NICHOLS Why can’t Americans agree about anything? The United States has survived through periods of great division and yet today we all now seem incapable of finding common ground on even the smallest issues. This is a problem that is approaching the level of a national crisis that threatens our democracy. Some of this tendentiousness is part of an irascible American culture that is, paradoxically, woven into our greatness as a nation. Our willingness to speak our minds and rely on our own common sense has been central to an American character noted by Tocqueville and others since our founding as a nation. Still, American politics were once characterized by a fair amount of bipartisanship and even ticket-splitting in national elections. Today, in public forums, we engage each other not to learn or to converse, but to fight along the harshest and most intractable partisan lines — and to win, no matter how obnoxious we must be in order to carry the day.Of course, some of this problem is generated by human nature, especially the problem of “confirmation bias.” We want to believe that our experiences and our beliefs, including the important issue of how we view ourselves, explain the world around us. We naturally want to reject evidence that conflicts with those cherished views (especially the ones about ourselves). We all do it, and it’s why we so easily drive each other crazy in our daily conversations. Bring up the problem of joblessness with almost any group of ordinary voters, and every possible intellectual problem will rear its head: stereotypes, confirmation bias, half-truths, and statistical incompetence. Take, for example, a fairly common American kitchen-table debate: the causes of unemployment. Bring up the problem of joblessness with almost any group of ordinary American voters, and every possible intellectual problem will rear its head. Stereotypes, confirmation bias, half-truths, and statistical incompetence all bedevil this discussion. One person in this discussion, for example, might hold firmly, as many Americans do, to the idea that unemployed people are just lazy and that unemployment benefits might even encourage that laziness. Like so many examples of confirmation bias, this could spring from personal experience. Perhaps it proceeds from a lifetime of continuous employment. Or maybe it’s the result of knowing someone who’s genuinely averse to work. For this person, every “help wanted” sign— which confirmation bias will note and file away— is further proof of the laziness of the unemployed. A page of job advertisements or a chronically irresponsible nephew constitutes irrefutable evidence that unemployment is a personal failing rather than a problem requiring government intervention. Now imagine someone else at the table who believes the nature of the American economy itself forces people into unemployment. This person might draw from experience as well: he or she may know someone who moved to follow a startup company and ended up broke and far from home, or who was unjustly fired by a corrupt or incompetent supervisor. For this person, every downsizing and every bad boss is proof that the system is stacked against innocent people who would never choose unemployment over work. Unemployment benefits, rather than subsidizing indolence, are a lifeline and perhaps the only thing standing between an honest person and complete ruin. We should make an effort to consider other sources that challenge us. More important, we need to start listening to each other with a greater assumption of good will. There’s no way to win this argument because in the end, there are no answers that will satisfy everyone. It’s true that unemployment benefits suppress the urge to work in at least some people; it’s also true that some corporations have a history of ruthlessness at the expense of their workers, whose reliance on benefits is reluctant and temporary. Unable to cope with this level of nuance and unwilling to see their own biases, most people will simply drive each other crazy arguing rather than accept answers that contradict what they already think about the subject. Education and better public information, sadly, are no cure. The problem of confirmation bias is getting worse, as our disagreements now curdle into angry refusals to listen to others and stubborn refusals to accept information that conflicts with our beliefs. This isn't just human nature, but the result of a narcissism that took root in American society after the 1960s and has been growing ever since. Surrounded by affluence, enabled by the internet, and empowered by an educational system that prizes self-esteem over achievement, Americans have become more opinionated even as they have become less informed, and are now utterly intolerant of ever being told they’re wrong about almost anything. Our republic thrives on open debate and the fair consideration of evidence. When our ability to maintain those democratic habits collapses, our system of government, along with our well-being as a people and a nation, will be in danger. There are a few steps we can take, including treating cable and the internet as we would treat our diet: by exercising portion control, healthy choices, and a varied mixture. We should especially make an effort to consider other sources that challenge us. More important, we need to start listening to each other with a greater assumption of good will. Cable news has become a gladiatorial exercise, but that doesn’t mean each of us must approach conversation as a fight to the finish. We must come out from behind our keyboards and smartphones and televisions and engage each other as citizens, rather than opponents. In an age of binary, win-at-all-costs politics, this is a tall order. But citizens need to be better examples to our political and media leaders than they’ve been to us. There is still time to reconsider the path we’ve set upon in the past few decades, but one thing should be clear: we cannot continue this way much longer and survive as a vibrant democracy. Tom Nichols is the author of the recently published “The Death of Expertise” and a professor at the U.S. Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island. The views expressed are his own. Follow him on Twitter @RadioFreeTom http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-rea...&yptr=yahoo
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Well. There are people, and then there are systems and organizations.
People are fine, people are great, people are usually harmless you can avoid them.
But the systems and organizations, increasingly, are just attacking everybody, with everything they do, in a very harmful way, and it's nearly impossible to avoid them.
Maybe the thread title should be, Are Americans Still Able to Mind Their Own Business Without Being Oppressed?
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I've found over the years the more frequent and more loudly the calls for tolerance, the less there actually is.
I was in high school in the mid 90's. My best friend (to this day) and I had many common interests that brought us together. But ideologically and politically we were about as far apart as two people could be: I was very hard Right, he just as hard Left. Obviously we had a number of heated conversations. Since then we've both come much closer to Center, agreed on many issues we wouldn't have before, and even crossed over in a few areas. But the format was much different back then. We'd argue, debate, then go out trying to figure out the mystery of girls.
Everyone accepted the fact that other people had different view points. You may not like their view, you may know they are wrong, and may not respect their view point, but you respected the fact that they had a view point.
It was also understood that the onus was mainly on yourself to prove that your position was the right position while simultaneously poking holes in the other person's argument. Positions were often staked in the form of: I believe this, for these reasons. I do not agree with your beliefs of ___ for these reasons. You often asked clarifying questions or for examples.
You almost never changed anyone's minds, but you got to know the other person's side of things pretty well.
But the social dialogue started changing. And I think it was after 9/11. Under the Bush era our gov't took advantage of the can of whoopass the Nation wanted to open up in response to 9/11 by passing the Patriot Act. Anyone who opposed or questioned it was deemed as being un-patriotic and that type of social peer pressure was often used to silence people on that topic.
Move forward to President Obama's tenure. We start to see a ramping up of labels such as racist/bigoted/homophobic being used to silence anyone who disagreed or simply questioned what was going on. Same tactic, same desired end, just different words and different topics.
By using simple inflammatory language to stifle dissent, the concept of respecting the fact that someone else has a viewpoint got squeezed out. It is now common place for one person to write a post establishing their position, then their opponent re-writes the meaning and purposefully misrepresents that position.
The concept of trying to understand your opponent's position if nothing else than to counter it effectively has gone out the window.
My soon to be sister in law had her new boyfriend visit a couple weeks ago from the U.K. We were talking about the current state of affairs and he was shocked when I told him that anymore, you can't even agree on the premise of whatever it is you are debating about!
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It was also understood that the onus was mainly on yourself to prove that your position was the right position while simultaneously poking holes in the other person's argument. Positions were often staked in the form of: I believe this, for these reasons. I do not agree with your beliefs of ___ for these reasons. You often asked clarifying questions or for examples. I enjoyed the entire post, but I believe that that paragraph really nailed it because it addresses the beauty of justifying one's opinion rather than just forcing one's opinion on another.
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I agree, with one caveat.
Far more people than you realize still do argue/think this way (at least somewhat). It's a very vocal minority that doesn't/can't tolerate differing viewpoints.
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I agree, with one caveat.
Far more people than you realize still do argue/think this way (at least somewhat). It's a very vocal minority that doesn't/can't tolerate differing viewpoints. This is a good point. I think to some of the debates on here versus debates I have in real life. They are almost always more cutthroat on here than they are in real life (this has more to do with the internet than it does this specific forum.) Realistically, most people I know do not bring up politics in regular conversation, and neither do I. When it does come up, most people have more moderate stances than you see in some of these threads, generally speaking.
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As someone who tries to keep a very open minded. I often search for ways to be wrong.
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As someone who tries to keep a very open minded. I often search for ways to be wrong. You just found a way. "Tries to keep a very open minded???" 
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Positions were often staked in the form of: I believe this, for these reasons. I do not agree with your beliefs of ___ for these reasons. You often asked clarifying questions or for examples. Think back to the debates and this has been a growing trend... what was the news cycle after the debates.. Who won was based on who appeared more Presidential, who made odd faces, who was dressed appropriately, who looked aggressive, who looked passive, who seemed more in "control", who shook whose hand.. it's about everything except what anybody ACTUALLY SAID. The debates, as a means of sharing and defending your IDEAS, has all but died. But the social dialogue started changing. And I think it was after 9/11. Under the Bush era our gov't took advantage of the can of whoopass the Nation wanted to open up in response to 9/11 by passing the Patriot Act. Anyone who opposed or questioned it was deemed as being un-patriotic and that type of social peer pressure was often used to silence people on that topic.
Move forward to President Obama's tenure. We start to see a ramping up of labels such as racist/bigoted/homophobic being used to silence anyone who disagreed or simply questioned what was going on. Same tactic, same desired end, just different words and different topics.
I could not agree more. Both sides have learned how to shut down debates with simple accusations.. it puts the other person on the defensive. From your example, if you call for a reform to social programs, you quickly end up spending more time defending that you aren't a racist than actually talking about reforming social programs. Looking at things as they are, I'm not very confident that if you put a teenage DevilDawg and his best friend together NOW that we'd end up being friends at all. This is, for the most part, social media. Because you and your friend had a dialogue, you had an understanding of each others views, different as they may be. Now you imagine today where you have an exchange of ideas, maybe even a heated exchange of ideas.. then tomorrow you open up Twitter and your friend has posted an article or a meme calling people on the right knuckle dragging, neanderthal, racists... so is that what he REALLY thinks of YOU? How do you overcome that and maintain your friendship, especially when, indirectly, he's doing it to you and you are doing it to him? I have experienced this multiple times where I have a friend or acquaintance who is very nice to me when I'm around but they post some of the most hateful stuff about conservatives.. and I would imagine liberals can tell similar stories... so what do they REALLY think of me?
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Excellent post, as usual.
I am not going to repeat all of your points, but I do think that this is important:
What is the goal of the individual when they debate a topic?
Is it to learn from debating?
Or, is it to win the debate?
I observe a lot of posters on this board and unfortunately too many fall into the latter category.
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I have no problem with admitting that the primary purpose of debate is to try to win people over to your opinion... it's your opinion, obviously you think it's right, that's why you present it and defend it..
But you can do that while respecting those who disagree with you and while listening to them and allowing yourself to be open to considering THEIR opinion.
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Where we have lost it.
There is a prevailing belief that government should be used as a tool to implement social and societal change. Left or right we have polar opposites to choose from. What we have missed is the necessity of government of doing the more simple things of performing a function that we as individuals are not able to do.
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When people return back to arguing with logic and reason instead of what they FEEL I can listen to them. When they follow logic and reason instead puking at me with media lies as justification for what they think just has to be right I will listen more. When people put the interests of the country ahead of what makes them feel good I will take them more seriously.
For the most part all I see are selfish people who only want what they want and they don't care about anyone. Just don't offend anyone because they will mob you with tar and feathers if you hurt the feelings of a group of people in any way. The smaller and least important that group of people the better to rile them up because they have no real purpose to their own life so they find some one else's to bandwagon on. And don't you dare have faith in God because if you believe in God then you must be a devil and the enemy of all man kind ...
Yeah I had enough of pc trash telling me that I should give up god, accept pot, and screw anything that moves because I am stupid if I let someone else have control over me ... just let them have control over me instead...
What we really need is just for everyone to stay out each other's business unless they physically hurt someone or hurt someone mentally by direct hostility and verbal abuse with the full intent to harm. Stating what you believe in is NOT verbal abuse unless you're screaming at someone like a lunatic.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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When people return back to arguing with logic and reason instead of what they FEEL I can listen to them. When they follow logic and reason instead puking at me with media lies as justification for what they think just has to be right I will listen more. When people put the interests of the country ahead of what makes them feel good I will take them more seriously.
For the most part all I see are selfish people who only want what they want and they don't care about anyone. Just don't offend anyone because they will mob you with tar and feathers if you hurt the feelings of a group of people in any way. The smaller and least important that group of people the better to rile them up because they have no real purpose to their own life so they find some one else's to bandwagon on. And don't you dare have faith in God because if you believe in God then you must be a devil and the enemy of all man kind ...
Yeah I had enough of pc trash telling me that I should give up god, accept pot, and screw anything that moves because I am stupid if I let someone else have control over me ... just let them have control over me instead...
What we really need is just for everyone to stay out each other's business unless they physically hurt someone or hurt someone mentally by direct hostility and verbal abuse with the full intent to harm. Stating what you believe in is NOT verbal abuse unless you're screaming at someone like a lunatic. Well, said Razor....Whats highlighted is how I feel also. Good Job.
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It sounds more like someone making excuses to be an azz hole.
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So instead you want to throw people in jail, or whatever, for pot...because you want control over them. Do you not see this? We just want control over ourselves. I'm not asking you to smoke a bowl. I just don't want you telling me I can't.
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Well that's an issue where they don't believe in smaller government.
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This is an issue involving obeying the Law. Pot is illegal, that is the Law.
Which laws would you have others ignore or break?
Where does it end? Many others feel some laws are good and some are bad, would it be ok for them to follow your example to just ignore or break those laws?
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Liberals don't believe in smaller government, so thats a really wierd comment to make.
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Liberals don't believe in smaller government, so thats a really wierd comment to make. No, but they do believe in personal freedom and privacy that smaller government has promised.
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What we really need is just for everyone to stay out each other's business unless they physically hurt someone or hurt someone mentally by direct hostility and verbal abuse with the full intent to harm.
Razor kinda hit it on the head here. Although, the intent part is iffy. I might catch flack for it, but micro aggressions are real and are cringeworthy to hear in conversation. 99% of the time the person saying it means it as a compliment (Probably why it's so cringeworthy). But yeah, live and let live.
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Sorry dude butt government managed healthcare and other social programs equals big government. To pretend otherwise is horse crap.
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And small government has brought us slavery? I'm not sure what you're arguing here. There's no such thing as "small government". It's always been a lie.
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Im saying liberals dont believe in small government. Handouts dont come from small government.
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This is an issue involving obeying the Law. Pot is illegal, that is the Law.
Which laws would you have others ignore or break?
Where does it end? Many others feel some laws are good and some are bad, would it be ok for them to follow your example to just ignore or break those laws? We are only talking about one law. So changing the subject isn't going to work here. You either believe in allowing states to have the right to set their own marijuana laws or you don't. If you don't, that means you believe the federal government has the right to supersede those state laws. It also means you believe that those federal laws that call for prison sentences be applied and that billions upon billions should be spent to build more prisons and incarcerating those who smoke weed. It's really quite simple.
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Liberals don't believe in smaller government, so thats a really wierd comment to make. It also proves that those who claim to believe in small government really don't.
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You are wrong! I don't "believe" either way!
It is THE LAW!!!
Believe it or not!
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Pit doesn't smoke weed so it has no impact on me. Nice dodge on answering the question though. lmao
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40's never drove over the speed limit.
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Pit doesn't smoke weed so it has no impact on me. Nice dodge on answering the question though. lmao What other federal laws are you in favor of ignoring? Or should each state set their own laws, regardless of federal law? On pot, on speeding, on BAC levels, on what a bank robbery is, on what speed limits should be, on housing, etc etc etc. Which federal laws are you in favor of breaking/handing over to the states to decide? I think there are some, from my perspective, anyway.
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I believe that speed limits vary widely from state to state.
I'm actually not informed enough about all of the federal laws. The marijuana laws have already been established in many states that break with federal laws. So my question is more about what should be done about it at this point?
Should the feds reverse or supersede these state laws? Should they cut off funding to states who refuse to follow and enforce federal marijuana laws? You see, I'm not discussing what might happen in the future, or what other laws this may pertain to at some point. I'm speaking about an issue going on now. A situation that currently occurs.
You see, the feds are speaking about cutting a lot of federal funding right now. I understand that spending needs to be cut. I also understand that while spending is being cut, the costs of things aren't going down. This means that states have to come up with other ways to garner revenue. In states like Colorado, some of these shortfalls are being filled by marijuana revenue.
So at this point, it isn't about "ignoring" legal weed. Weed is already legal in many states. The question is how should we react to legal weed?
So since 40 is so vague, I'll ask you. Do you support enforcing federal marijuana laws on a national basis or do you believe it's better left to the states to decide?
The way I see it is that you would be robbing states of billions while increasing spending by multiple billions trying to enforce a law that has been proven since the 60's to be unenforceable. It seems like a counterproductive way to go about things.
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None of that makes any sense to me.
See, you ignored the question I asked.
It IS a federal crime - pot.
Some states have made it legal, ignoring the federal law. The feds have said, basically, "well, we aren't going to come and enforce the law against small time users".
Ok.
The fed. gov't. also declared each state have a .08 BAC level, OR face penalization for road construction.
Are you okay with that? The states were, when they found out how much money they might lose out on.
Extrapolate THAT to cities saying they will be sanctuary cities for illegals. That's all well and good, right?
Next, the fed. gov't said "we're going to withhold certain funding IF you allow illegals in your city."
And some cities are wanting to sue and or ignore the federal law about illegals.
So, can states totally ignore federal law? Are you in favor of that?
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So since 40 is so vague, I'll ask you. Do you support enforcing federal marijuana laws on a national basis or do you believe it's better left to the states to decide?
Vague? How many times do I have to answer this? Let me try answering this time with my own question... WHAT IS THE CURRENT LAW OF THE LAND? Then that right there is what I believe. Change it and that will be what I believe. Ignore it and go to jail for breaking the law. Why is so hard so hard for you to comprehend?
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So, can states totally ignore federal law? Are you in favor of that? In many cases, no. But when it comes to weed, they are. So what now?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Vague? How many times do I have to answer this?
Let me try answering this time with my own question... WHAT IS THE CURRENT LAW OF THE LAND?
Then that right there is what I believe. Change it and that will be what I believe. Ignore it and go to jail for breaking the law.
Why is so hard so hard for you to comprehend?
So you are in favor of building hundreds of prisons costing tax payers multiple billions of dollars and incarcerating millions of current tax payers. Sounds reasonable.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Private prisons are where these "criminals" go 
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