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Or your own misconception that we need to build Prisons to lock up people found guilty of Misdemeanors.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Or your own misconception that we need to build Prisons to lock up people found guilty of Misdemeanors.


Possession of a schedule 1 drug is a felony.

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Or your own misconception that we need to build Prisons to lock up people found guilty of Misdemeanors.


depends, though. if you have "enforcement" then yea, there's gonna be a whole lot of people in jail for misdemeanors for a lot of different reasons.


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Or your own misconception that we need to build Prisons to lock up people found guilty of Misdemeanors.


Possession of a schedule 1 drug is a felony.


Misdemeanors.
http://norml.org/laws/item/federal-penalties-2

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I've found over the years the more frequent and more loudly the calls for tolerance, the less there actually is.

I was in high school in the mid 90's. My best friend (to this day) and I had many common interests that brought us together. But ideologically and politically we were about as far apart as two people could be: I was very hard Right, he just as hard Left. Obviously we had a number of heated conversations. Since then we've both come much closer to Center, agreed on many issues we wouldn't have before, and even crossed over in a few areas. But the format was much different back then. We'd argue, debate, then go out trying to figure out the mystery of girls.

Everyone accepted the fact that other people had different view points. You may not like their view, you may know they are wrong, and may not respect their view point, but you respected the fact that they had a view point.

It was also understood that the onus was mainly on yourself to prove that your position was the right position while simultaneously poking holes in the other person's argument. Positions were often staked in the form of: I believe this, for these reasons. I do not agree with your beliefs of ___ for these reasons. You often asked clarifying questions or for examples.

You almost never changed anyone's minds, but you got to know the other person's side of things pretty well.

But the social dialogue started changing. And I think it was after 9/11. Under the Bush era our gov't took advantage of the can of whoopass the Nation wanted to open up in response to 9/11 by passing the Patriot Act. Anyone who opposed or questioned it was deemed as being un-patriotic and that type of social peer pressure was often used to silence people on that topic.

Move forward to President Obama's tenure. We start to see a ramping up of labels such as racist/bigoted/homophobic being used to silence anyone who disagreed or simply questioned what was going on. Same tactic, same desired end, just different words and different topics.

By using simple inflammatory language to stifle dissent, the concept of respecting the fact that someone else has a viewpoint got squeezed out. It is now common place for one person to write a post establishing their position, then their opponent re-writes the meaning and purposefully misrepresents that position.

The concept of trying to understand your opponent's position if nothing else than to counter it effectively has gone out the window.

My soon to be sister in law had her new boyfriend visit a couple weeks ago from the U.K. We were talking about the current state of affairs and he was shocked when I told him that anymore, you can't even agree on the premise of whatever it is you are debating about!

Looking at things as they are, I'm not very confident that if you put a teenage DevilDawg and his best friend together NOW that we'd end up being friends at all.


This is the most succinct summation of things as they exist today as I've seen anywhere, particularly with regard to the shouting down and silencing of any/all dissenting views.

It is a tactic that has been used for nearly two decades now to cow and corral Americans. Self-thinking is frowned upon.


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Well I hope this clears up DC's misconception that you aren't willing to spend billions upon billions of dollars to lock up weed smokers.

I guess we'll just take the money to pay for that from Meals on wheels from our seniors or something far more useful.

It doesn't clear up anything for me. He still hasn't said, from what I've seen, that he wants to put pot smokers in jail. Maybe he can clear that up by saying, "40 thinks pot smokers should be in jail, because it's a good law."

What he has said is, if you possess it, you can go to jail, that's the federal law... so assuming a person knows that and chooses to possess it anyway, then they know what the risk is and can't really complain if they get caught.

Saying that a law is a good law... and saying you should enforce the law... are two totally different things. I drove to Georgia tonight, for much of my drive, I thought the 60 mph speed limit was a stupid law.. I also knew what would happen if I got caught breaking it.


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Well let's try this again then shall we? 40 believes the federal law should trump state law on weed. He stated plainly what should happen....

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Let me try answering this time with my own question... WHAT IS THE CURRENT LAW OF THE LAND?

Then that right there is what I believe. Change it and that will be what I believe. Ignore it and go to jail for breaking the law.


Anyone smoking it would be ignoring the law. That also mean anyone smoking it deserves to go to jail. It's not difficult to understand. Weed is a schedule 1 drug according to federal law. From the way it sounds, you're simply trying to use political double speak.

When someone says if people ignore that law they should go to jail, it means just that.


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What is tolerance, anyway? It seems that people want others to be tolerant of them saying whatever the hell they want, but then can't handle the criticism that comes with it. They are essentially intolerant of the criticism toward their opinion.


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Exactly.... and that cuts both ways smile


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doesn't it always cut both ways?


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j/c:

Yet another thread derailed by the same old people.

I think the original article was thought provoking and at least worth discussing.

I like to read. I read all the time.

I also know that there are many things I don't have as much knowledge as I would like.

Thus, I read to learn!

Politics is one such area. I click on a thread and hope to learn something. To improve my knowledge base. To gain a better understanding of things.

And what do I see? Ignorant, one-sided opinions that dictate rather than discuss or educate. There might actually be a few good, educational posts in such threads, but I rarely see them, because I get so disgusted w/the ignorant, one-sided bias of both sides that I don't read the majority of the posts.

I can hear Swish and 40 now, but for others who might consider having an open mind................don't you think we would all learn more and be better off if we actually listened to each other, weighed all the evidence, and constantly updated our opinions on issues...........rather than be intolerant blowhards?

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LOL..........great response.

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This applies to Vers in this thread.

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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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That was hard to predict.

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This applies to Vers in this thread.


Impossible to tell without seeing Vers operate a vehicle.

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I think a better question is not "Are Americans intolerant of being wrong?" so much as it is, "How do you tell someone they are wrong?" When you can find 5 sources on the internet to agree with you, then how can anyone be wrong online anymore? 9/11 was done by Jews. The world is flat. Bill Clinton murdered 6 people. Donald Trump raped a 12 year old. How does one even begin to disprove such crazy things? Let alone the more factual arguments of global warming, education and things where there are real cases of evidence that point to certain things.

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This applies to Vers in this thread.


Impossible to tell without seeing Vers operate a vehicle.


He probably backseat drives.

He also was probably the hallway police in elementary school. Narcs gotta narc, after all.


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If 5 or 6 posters on here one day decided that it is 100% true (or decided to troll) that Jimmy Haslam was not a real person at all, but rather a Nazi war experiment that turned him into the first lizard person, then spread that idea on the forum, could anyone prove it false? What if those same posters then photoshopped heat lamps shining on Jimmy Haslam to give it more evidence? Would it be true then? Could someone prove to those posters that they were wrong? I'm curious.

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Do you guys not realize that you are proving my point? LOL

I clearly said I like to read to learn.

That gets turned around into me being a control freak.

Hmmmmm........what was the point of the author of the article again?

Look..........I'll stop. I am pretty much done w/a bunch of you. I've made my point. You don't wanna stop. You would rather continue on w/it has to be my way type of logic.

That's fine. Good luck to you.

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What about me Vers? You done with me? Huh Vers? Me too? huh willynilly

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I'm asking bigger questions than that article could ever dream of.

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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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Quote:
"How do you tell someone they are wrong?


That's easy. You just say "Your wrong" it's just so simple and easy. nanner


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You are WRONG!

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Heck, I've been wrong a lot in my lifetime.





I must be up to 4 or maybe even 5 times being wrong now. rofl


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I think it's more about people refusing to believe that anyone other than themselves can be right.


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Heck, I've been wrong a lot in my lifetime.


I must be up to 4 or maybe even 5 times being wrong now. rofl


Wow, can't imagine how that must feel,
I will Pray for you.

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You are WRONG!


YES DEAR


I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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What's worse?

Ignorance or indifference?

I don't know and I don't care.

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rofl

All joking aside, they tend to yield pretty much the same results:

-atrophied Human Spirit.


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