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I would much rather take Marcus Williams at 33 than take Hooker at 1.
I don't know what edge rusher I would take at 33 or even 12 that would approximate the impact I expect Garrett to have.
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I would much rather take Marcus Williams at 33 than take Hooker at 1.
I don't know what edge rusher I would take at 33 or even 12 that would approximate the impact I expect Garrett to have. 
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I like Budda Baker and Marcus Williams also ...
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I would much rather take Marcus Williams at 33 than take Hooker at 1.
I don't know what edge rusher I would take at 33 or even 12 that would approximate the impact I expect Garrett to have. You don't KNOW who you could take anywhere. You KNOW you can get Garrett at #1.
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I would much rather take Marcus Williams at 33 than take Hooker at 1.
I don't know what edge rusher I would take at 33 or even 12 that would approximate the impact I expect Garrett to have. You don't KNOW who you could take anywhere. You KNOW you can get Garrett at #1.
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I'm hoping for Garrett, Adams, and then the best available at 33
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You may not know which guy but you have a good idea that 1 of a group of pass rushers will be available IF you believe that group of pass rushers is good enough to wait on.
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Man if Philly had just lost another game we might be in position to take Garrett and Hooker.
The Giants really let us down in the second to last week and Dallas had nothing to play for in their last game. Bummer.
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When I read an article and the guy states maybe he hasnt watched enough tape then you know what, he has watched very very little tape. In College, teams can become very one sided offensively. They can double and tripple team defensive gems.
Teams consistently ran away from Myles. Against Cam robinson he went one on one against him 8 times total!! He beat him on 3 of those plays. The rest of their pass attempts he was doubled with TE and or RB.
Myels was a really good college player. He will be a great pro because teams can not defend against him the way they did in college.
you dont pass on monster's like this. He could have and probably should have sat out most of last year with the high ankle but he limped out there rushed hard and limped back. This shows his toughness and love of the game. The fact that he wasnt chasing a play 30 yards down the opposite sideline shows he was smart enough to pick his battles.
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For some reason it never ceases to amaze me how some Browns fans wish to shoot themselves in their own foot.
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Come to find out the guy who wrote this is nothing more than a poster on a reddit board. lmao
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Come to find out the guy who wrote this is nothing more than a poster on a reddit board. lmao Watch the tape Pit ... I'm telling u ... before u pimp this kid off of what others think .. WATCH THE TAPE ... I was so un-impressed with 16 I went and watched 15's tape .... same things i saw in 16 were there in 15 ... I really really hope I'm wrong bro ... cause were picking him ... and i would really love to have the stud the rest of the world seems to think he is ... Mourg can rail all he wants about not chasing plays 30 yards down the filed to save himself cause of his ankle .... and him being double teamed on all but 8 plays by Bama (I'll be back on that one mourg ...) .... Its simply not what I'm talking about .... mac was 100% correct about one thing ... he put up way more of his stats against poor comp. than he did against good comp. ... thats just one of the things i learned .... MOURG - u want to break down the 16 bama tape with me ... I'm all for it ... let me know .
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Diam when i said 8 times, i meant in pass protection. going from memory i believe they passed 25 times and it was singled 8 times.
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Last year (2015), he had a single sack in 6 games, but the rest of his production came in only 2 games against very mediocre teams: 5.5 sacks vs Nevada and Arizona State. If he does this at the NFL level - a single sack in 6 games, and then has even just two sacks in two more games, he is a success. That would somehow still allow him to get blanked in half the regular season games. Even JJ Watt in his best seasons where he had 20+ sacks, had games where he had zero. Multiples. He is mostly a single-sack guy who then feasts on inferior talent to have multi-sack days. That isn't a knock - that's what they're supposed to do. It seems to me that the entire article is coming from the viewpoint of a Madden NFL player that thinks that if he has this high of a rating, he should be an unstoppable force. The reality is that this isn't Madden and it isn't Hollywood.
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People who knock Garrett so hard just haven't watched the game tape. I bet they would say he had a horrible game against KSU too.
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I don't care if Garrett busts. (I don't think he will, obviously)
He is the #1 talent.
We have the #1 pick.
Take him. Regardless of what happens, you can't be "wrong"
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I agree. Front Office is golden either way if they pick him. If he is a success, they are vindicated, if he isn't - he was the #1 prospect by a margin by all most if not all talking heads and experts, can't account for him failing. No harm, no foul.
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You watch - they'll trade down now...
Well, nobody would expect that... it'd be like a surprise attack on the Draft. We're sure to win!
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You watch - they'll trade down now...
Well, nobody would expect that... it'd be like a surprise attack on the Draft. We're sure to win!
I would only trade down if our aim was to get Hooker or Adams preferably Hooker ... And if someone wants #1 they would pay dearly
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You watch - they'll trade down now...
Well, nobody would expect that... it'd be like a surprise attack on the Draft. We're sure to win! And the best part ... if we trade down ... then most on here will agree with me that Myles was overrated ...  MOURG I wasn't doubting your numbers .... thats not what the part of my post referencing u was intended to do .... i was just saying that and the 30 yards down field thing had nothing to do with what i didn't like when i watched the tape ... and "didn't like" isn't the right term ... a better term would be "not as impressed with him as others are" ... Thats not why i wanted to break the tape down with u ... there were other reasons ... *LOL* ... If your too busy ... i get it .. If your interested, let me know .. if not, no biggie ... its a mute point anyhow as were taking him ... I really hope I'm wrong ....
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Well it would be SO Browns to pass on the consensus #1 pick - earmarked as a generational talent with great talent and personal ethics ..... and watch him stud out for another team. NO! I think it would be SO Browns to take the generational whatever, and watch him be average to barely special, and run the course until he clearly almost busts, and tries to relive his draft day status. Courtney Brown, Trent Richardson, are 2 examples. What about whether the player wants to play in Cleveland. I'd rather they find somebody who would want to play in Cleveland, or at least really loves football. Do you think there may be 3 dozen players who'll have better careers than Garrett? Well, ya, if he's in Cleveland,. Maybe just THINK ABOUT Jonathan Allen, or Soloman Thomas with the #1.
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Man if Philly had just lost another game we might be in position to take Garrett and Hooker.
The Giants really let us down in the second to last week and Dallas had nothing to play for in their last game. Bummer.
That combo selection would be just fantastic... WOW that would be awesome x20.
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Bottom line: Myles Garrett at 1.
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Bottom line: Myles Garrett at 1.
No question about it. Such an easy decision.
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When I read an article and the guy states maybe he hasnt watched enough tape then you know what, he has watched very very little tape. In College, teams can become very one sided offensively. They can double and tripple team defensive gems.
Teams consistently ran away from Myles. Against Cam robinson he went one on one against him 8 times total!! He beat him on 3 of those plays. The rest of their pass attempts he was doubled with TE and or RB.
Myels was a really good college player. He will be a great pro because teams can not defend against him the way they did in college.
you dont pass on monster's like this. He could have and probably should have sat out most of last year with the high ankle but he limped out there rushed hard and limped back. This shows his toughness and love of the game. The fact that he wasnt chasing a play 30 yards down the opposite sideline shows he was smart enough to pick his battles.
Don't get me wrong I like Garrett but lets study it. If Sashi does trade #1, what do you think we get? I assume it would be something similar to past QB trades. Is Tennessee a candidate? Get both their #1's this year and #1 and #2 or #3 next year. Sashi turns around draft Adams/Hooker, Barnett/Foster/Reddick, and Trubisky/Watson. Sashi could trade one of those #1's for Garopollo. That is a Edge, Safety, QB, and additional #1 next year. Another option is it realistic thinking Cleveland drafts both Adams and Hooker? Sashi takes a CB and Edge in the second and/or third. Seattle proved a team can be successful having a good secondary. I understand Garrett is a good player. What is Garrett worth? Thoughts?
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When I read an article and the guy states maybe he hasnt watched enough tape then you know what, he has watched very very little tape. In College, teams can become very one sided offensively. They can double and tripple team defensive gems.
Teams consistently ran away from Myles. Against Cam robinson he went one on one against him 8 times total!! He beat him on 3 of those plays. The rest of their pass attempts he was doubled with TE and or RB.
Myels was a really good college player. He will be a great pro because teams can not defend against him the way they did in college.
you dont pass on monster's like this. He could have and probably should have sat out most of last year with the high ankle but he limped out there rushed hard and limped back. This shows his toughness and love of the game. The fact that he wasnt chasing a play 30 yards down the opposite sideline shows he was smart enough to pick his battles.
Don't get me wrong I like Garrett but lets study it. If Sashi does trade #1, what do you think we get? I assume it would be something similar to past QB trades. Is Tennessee a candidate? Get both their #1's this year and #1 and #2 or #3 next year. Sashi turns around draft Adams/Hooker, Barnett/Foster/Reddick, and Trubisky/Watson. Sashi could trade one of those #1's for Garopollo. That is a Edge, Safety, QB, and additional #1 next year. Another option is it realistic thinking Cleveland drafts both Adams and Hooker? Sashi takes a CB and Edge in the second and/or third. Seattle proved a team can be successful having a good secondary. I understand Garrett is a good player. What is Garrett worth? Thoughts? That would be extremely tempting! Would have to give that serious consideration. I think though, that we stick with MG...
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Yeah, that would be hard to pass up.
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That would be extremely tempting! Would have to give that serious consideration. I think though, that we stick with MG... Cleveland cannot be closed minded. As fans, we get to locked in we turnoff possible alternatives? I believe New England has taken advantage of analytics for years. They get away with it sense they are a good football team. Cleveland gets chastise since they are horrible. If you think about it, Cleveland has nothing to lose. What happen if it doesn't work Cleveland becomes the worst team in the league? Taking huge risks passing on Wentz and maybe Garrett accumulating talent in a non-traditional way maybe ideal. It is hard imaging since we haven't seen results yet. How many thought Indianapolis did the right thing dumping Manning and tanking a season to get Luck? It is a shame they haven't been able to do much afterwards. As fans, I think we need to unlearn what it takes to become successful. I believe we get locked into you must have these positions in order to be successful. Yet, history shows teams have done unorthodox things to do just the opposite. Rules today were initiatives in the past.
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That would be extremely tempting! Would have to give that serious consideration. I think though, that we stick with MG... Cleveland cannot be closed minded. As fans, we get to locked in we turnoff possible alternatives? I believe New England has taken advantage of analytics for years. They get away with it sense they are a good football team. Cleveland gets chastise since they are horrible. If you think about it, Cleveland has nothing to lose. What happen if it doesn't work Cleveland becomes the worst team in the league? Taking huge risks passing on Wentz and maybe Garrett accumulating talent in a non-traditional way maybe ideal. It is hard imaging since we haven't seen results yet. How many thought Indianapolis did the right thing dumping Manning and tanking a season to get Luck? It is a shame they haven't been able to do much afterwards. As fans, I think we need to unlearn what it takes to become successful. I believe we get locked into you must have these positions in order to be successful. Yet, history shows teams have done unorthodox things to do just the opposite. Rules today were initiatives in the past. I couldn't agree more with you. So lets do it differently this year. Stay putt and Draft MG, the same with the 12th pick.. When you are the dumbest kid in the class, it doesn't pay to play smart, you will be a smart-ass, that's the story of our FA.
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I look for us to stay put at #1 and take MG but unless we are looking at QB or either safety (Hooker/Adams) are available we will trade down from 12 ... JMHO
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When you are the dumbest kid in the class, it doesn't pay to play smart, you will be a smart-ass, that's the story of our FA. Here is where you and I disagree. Bill Gates dropped out of school because he saw things differently. Think where would we be today Bill decided to continue following the heard. Even traditional methods are no guarantee fixing a losing franchise in two years or less. Detroit and Miami are still working getting it resolved.
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I think we would be stupid not to consider an offer for #1 that yielded multiple 1st round picks. I am also of the opinion that there is plenty of edge talent in this draft. That must come into play valuing Garret against next best option and the picks. I think Barnett, McKinley, Harris, Willis to name but four will be very good NFL players.
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We pick a player at #`1 its Garrett...we get an insane offer for the pick...it could be good for us.
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We pick a player at #`1 its Garrett...we get an insane offer for the pick...it could be good for us.
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With no clear cut #1 QB, I can't see anyone throwing anything our way. How much is Garrett worth to a Team? Maybe a #2 and #3 this year? But I can't see anyone throwing a future #1 in there for Garrett. Besides we need Garrett.
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With no clear cut #1 QB, I can't see anyone throwing anything our way. How much is Garrett worth to a Team? Maybe a #2 and #3 this year? But I can't see anyone throwing a future #1 in there for Garrett. Besides we need Garrett.
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For anyone who is interested, I heard a commercial that said Myles Garrett was going to be on the Mike and Mike show Monday morning at 9.
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I am in the middle of watching a cut-up of Joshua Dobbs. I picked the Texas A&M game because that is the best defense of the available cutups on draftbreakdown.com.
Per ESPN.com Garrett had one sack that game. However, watching that cutup (so far only about 1/3 through it) Garrett is living in the Tennessee backfield. I don't know how good the Tennessee o-line was this past year but they were barely able to slow him down.
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He must have flared up that ankle injury during the game. He hardly played in the 2nd half.
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For anyone who is interested, I heard a commercial that said Myles Garrett was going to be on the Mike and Mike show Monday morning at 9. yeah, tomorrow morning. I'll be listening; they'll definitely ask him about the Browns.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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