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Then again, some people aren't looking for answers when they ask questions. They are just looking to belittle those who don't fall in line w/the majority thinking.

LOL. Then again, some people seem to forget that some people don't answwer quesions and repeat themself over and over.


I think by now you should know that I am not about "majority" opinion.
The majority is usually wrong 60% of the time since the majority of people are stupid..

I think that you have fallen in w/the wrong crowd, old friend.

No man, still the same old me.

I know that. I'm just adding more sillyness to this thread since it is already full of it.

What's next are you going to tell me the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor?

haha 0.0

It is a common practice among NFL front office personnel, to have a very small window for contract offers. That is why many players are signed after their first visit.

As a new GM, I believed Sashi was making a statement with Swartz that although it is probably expected, The Browns will not pay too much above market value. He continued that stance with Pryor.

An offer was made to both players that was above market value, IMO they were given bad advice from their agents.

I definitely understand why fans are upset that both players, who are needed, left. but being early on in his role, I am glad he stuck to his guns.

I hope either Coleman or Drango develop into solid right tackles. If so, we should be fine moving forward.

It seems quite obvious now, that this FO regime had a plan to trim the fat last year and to start building a solid foundation this year. There is no doubt last season was frustrating, but 90% of the seasons since '99 have been as well. This year we have the pick of the litter due to the fact that we only won one game instead of our average of 4-5 that continued to have us drafting in the 4-8 range.

I can only hope that we don't over think this draft and continue to take the BPA throughout the draft. I hope we don't trade back out of the first pick. If they get a solid offer, I wouldn't be too discouraged of trading back out of 12.

What I would love to see is, us trade up to get either Adams or Hooker.

So you have to let the FO decide who is the BEST player for the direction they are heading. Is there a team in the NFL which hasn't made mistakes it had taken the Steelers over 30 years before they found what worked for them.

mac don't make things up

So being offered an above market value contract is akin to being kicked to the curb like dog crap?

I believe i qualified it with ... I'M NOT SURE CAUSE I DON'T WASTE MY TIME READING HIM like u guys do ... all u guys do is moan and whine about everything he says YET ya'all KEEP FEEDING HIM ....

If i didn't qualify it previously ... consider this my qualification ...

Mac and your boy Vambo are a major waste of time IMO ... USELESS DRIVEL fills almost all there posts ...

03/28/2017 Signed exclusive rights free agent DL Jamie Meder.
03/27/2017 Signed unrestricted free agent OL Matt McCants.
03/21/2017 Signed K Brett Maher.
03/14/2017 Claimed WR James Wright via waivers from Cincinnati.
03/09/2017 Agreed to terms with unrestricted free agent WR Kenny Britt.
03/09/2017 Claimed OL Marcus Martin via waivers from San Francisco.
03/09/2017 Traded 2017 fourth round pick to Houston for 2018 second round pick, 2017 sixth round pick and QB Brock Osweiler.
03/09/2017 Agreed to terms with unrestricted free agent OL J.C. Tretter.
03/09/2017 Agreed to terms with unrestricted free agent OL Kevin Zeitler.
02/16/2017 Re-signed LS Charley Hughlett.
02/10/2017 Re-signed WR Rannell Hall.
02/08/2017 Hired David Lee as quarterbacks coach.
01/23/2017 Signed LB Jamie Collins Sr. to a four-year contract extension.
01/19/2017 Hired Clyde Simmons as defensive line coach.
01/19/2017 Hired DeWayne Walker as defensive backs coach.
01/19/2017 Hired Bob Wylie as offensive line coach.
01/19/2017 Hired Blake Williams as linebackers coach.
01/19/2017 Hired Jerod Kruse as assistant defensive backs coach.
01/08/2017 Hired Gregg Williams as defensive coordinator.
01/03/2017 Signed WR Jordan Leslie to the reserve/futures list.
01/03/2017 Signed DB Darius Hillary to the reserve/futures list.
01/03/2017 Signed TE J.P. Holtz to the reserve/futures list.
01/03/2017 Signed OL Zach Sterup to the reserve/futures list.
01/03/2017 Signed DB Trae Elston to the reserve/futures list.
01/03/2017 Signed DL Trevon Coley to the reserve/futures list.
01/03/2017 Signed DB Justin Currie to the reserve/futures list.
01/03/2017 Signed LB James Burgess to the reserve/futures list.
01/03/2017 Signed WR Josh Boyce to the reserve/futures list.

Not true. One I gladly reply to, the other very seldom as I have learned in my old age what is important and what is not.

I don't know whether or not that is accurate, but their agents badly misread Sashi...

Maybe the point was we made you the best offer you would receive as they did Pryor, just as you have the right to shop and see if there are better offers made to you we reserve to right to modify and/or change our offer as options come along /change.

So ..In other words, the Browns should still be starting Kosar, K. Mack, Byner, Warfield, Slaughter, Kelly, Golic, Green, Mathews, Minniefield, Rucker, Morin, Crockroft, Ozzie, Logan, and Jim Brown. After all, if you want to keep everyone who ever played a snap for the Browns.. surely these guys are more worthy than Pryor or Schwartz and did more to demand loyalty. Loyalty means a LIFETIME JOB. If you want to retire or not.

If we are going to beat a dead horse.. let's BEAT A DEAD HORSE.

You just beat him with a silly stick.

You know, I have stated on several posts about MS. Everyone over looks the REASON we did what we did. Nobody even thinks about it, they just holler foul and bad mouth the FO. What did the FO say to MS about the current contract offer? Whats that? You don't know? Well, I will tell you.

Sashi stated to MS's agent, Here's our offer, On The Condition
that MS DOES NOT TEST FA. WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN? They said thanks but no thanks. END OF STORY. FO NOT BAD GUY HERE

U can bury your head in the sand as deep as u like ... it won't change the FACT that the FO screwed the pooch on MS ...

U defending them on that one is JUST AS BAD AS MAC railing on them for all the other crap he's DEAD NUTS WRONG ON ...

U may wanna take your head out of the sand before i buy u that beer ... the sand will kill the taste ...

I don't think mac is a liar. He is hard-headed, stubborn, and has a one-track mind on certain ideas, but he is way above the other poster you mentioned in terms of character.

I think mac's character is beyond reproach.
I respect his opinions, they are very insightful (most of the time) and usually well thought out.

My issue with mac is that when he gets a thought stuck in his head, he proceeds to insert that thought into every thread over and over. And while I admire his conviction, I can't say that I have ever seen him acknowledge that those who disagree with him make some valid points of their own. Even if he still disagrees with the concepts as a whole.

I agree w/you, but how many other posters do the same thing [and do it way more often] while supporting the FO?

Those obnoxious posts get ignored by the majority of you because....let's face it.........you are Brown's fans and it doesn't bother you to hear good things about the Browns, even if it is false and/or biased information.

I think a lack of objectivity is a huge concern on this board.

I think it played out as you suggested. I don't think the Browns were in position to make a stand like that, but in the end I think it was the right thing to do for future negotiations. The deal the Browns initially put forth was a better deal than any other team offered - seems to be a pattern now.

MS' agent cost MS a couple million dollars by completely misreading the RT market at that point in time. I'm not interested in placing blame, but I am interested in how the deal went down and how the two sides handled negotiations.

I understand why Sashi did what he did - even if it was to our detriment...I have no idea what MS' agent was thinking when he turned down a deal that ended up being significantly better than any other deal out there. Ultimately, both sides lost out.

That is exactly how I feel.
Sashi was sending a message in a year where winning would be second to developing a culture.

As I mentioned in my post, Many FO leaders give a very small window to accept the offer that has been given.

This is why most FA sign with the first team they visit.

I am new to this forum but it is quite clear who the irrational, never happy fans/ trolls are.

Welcome to the forum

Okay, This is the last time I say anything about it, I'm tired of typing about it

Diam, this has NOTHING to due with who screwed who. This has to do with Sashi Telling MS's agent, that they wanted to keep him off the market, hence the more than fair offer. The agent then declines. What do you think would happen? Offer no longer here. Why? Because they tested FA. End of story. Has nothing to do with anybody being screwed or the bad guy.

What makes it difficult for anyone to do that is because when you pull a theory out of thin air and then go on to develop a diatribe against it there is no existing counterpoint to it. It's hard to refute, with proof, something that originated by coming out of your ass.

One indicator helpful in discovering that you made something up is that you often follow it by saying, "You can't make this stuff up."

Maybe it's, "We just offered you more money than anyone else will, take it or leave it."

BINGO !!!

We have a winner Ladies and Gentlemen ... Now it is time to buy your cards for the next game..

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How about when you claimed the Browns were actively trying to trade Joe Thomas to Denver the last two years?.....At least I'm pretty sure that was you.

Mac, I have to say this... I don't think you lie.. Not at all. What I think you do is "Believe" something different then most of us.

You arrive at certain conclusions that few others see. That doesn't make you a liar.

That could come under the old adage that you are a genius and you hit targets that nobody else can see.

Or you are just a conspiracy nut who reads too much into things that aren't even remotely real.

Either way, I don't feel you lie. But I just disagree with lots of things you come up with and how you arrive at those conclusions.