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Hold on to your butts!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-naval-ships-head-toward-korean-peninsula-official-020546735.html

The US Navy said Saturday it had sent a carrier-led strike group to the Korean peninsula in a show of force against North Korea's "reckless" nuclear weapons programme.

The move will raise tensions in the region and comes hard on the heels of a US missile strike on Syria that was widely interpreted as putting Pyongyang on warning over its refusal to abandon its nuclear ambitions.

North Korea denounced Thursday's strike as an act of "intolerable aggression" and one that justified "a million times over" the North's push toward a credible nuclear deterrent.

"US Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific," said Commander Dave Benham, spokesman at US Pacific Command.

"The number one threat in the region continues to be North Korea, due to its reckless, irresponsible and destabilizing program of missile tests and pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability," he told AFP, in an unusually forceful statement.

Originally scheduled to make port calls in Australia, the strike group -- which includes the Nimitz-class aircraft supercarrier USS Carl Vinson -- is now headed from Singapore to the Western Pacific Ocean.

Pyongyang is on a quest to develop a long-range missile capable of hitting the US mainland with a nuclear warhead, and has so far staged five nuclear tests, two of them last year.

Expert satellite imagery analysis suggests it could well be preparing for a sixth, with US intelligence officials warning that Pyongyang could be less than two years away from developing a nuclear warhead that could reach the continental United States.

North Korea on Wednesday fired a medium-range ballistic missile into the Sea of Japan ahead of a US-China summit.

In February the North simultaneously fired four ballistic missiles off its east coast, three of which fell provocatively close to Japan, in what it said was a drill for an attack on US bases in the neighbouring Asian country.

Last August Pyongyang also successfully test-fired a submarine-launched ballistic missile 500 kilometres (300 miles) towards Japan, far exceeding any previous sub-launched tests, in what the North's leader Kim Jong-Un hailed as the "greatest success."

A nuclear-capable SLBM system would take the North's threat to a new level, allowing deployment far beyond the Korean peninsula and a "second-strike" capability in the event of an attack on its army bases.

- US unilateral action? -

On Thursday and Friday, US President Donald Trump hosted his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping for talks during which he pressed Pyongyang's key ally to help curb the North's nuclear weapons program.

Trump has threatened unilateral action against the hermit state, a threat that appears more palpable after Thursday's strike on a Syrian airfield following an apparent chemical attack.

The head of North American Aerospace Defense Command, which provides missile detection for the region, said Thursday she was "extremely confident" of US capability to intercept a potential intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) bound for America from the North.

But General Lori Robinson expressed concerns for the type of ballistic missile powered by a solid-fuel engine that Pyongyang said it successfully tested in February.

"Amidst an unprecedented pace of North Korean strategic weapons testing, our ability to provide actionable warning continues to diminish," Robinson said in written testimony to senators.

The isolated North is barred under UN resolutions from any use of ballistic missile technology.

USS Carl Vinson Carrier Group

If China remains silent, they and Trump have worked a deal.

Wowser..4 mo's in and we're already on the brink of WWIII.

Xinhua, the state news agency, on Saturday called the strike the act of a weakened politician who needed to flex his muscles. In an analysis, Xinhua also said Mr. Trump had ordered the strike to distance himself from Syria’s backers in Moscow, to overcome accusations that he was “pro-Russia.”

Xinhua also brought up failed American missions in the past, saying, “It has been a typical tactic of the U.S. to send a strong political message by attacking other countries using advanced warplanes and cruise missiles.”

All politics and positioning.

When they put their foot down with a statement like, "We see an attack on NK as an attack on us", then we know there is no deal.

If they don't say much, we know Trump and Xi made a deal.

What kind of a deal are u talking about ... I've seen u say this a few times in the last few days ...

A deal in regards to what happend in Syria, what is going to happen in NK or the trade stuff ...

I would assume its a deal about Syria ... not sure why we need a deal with China in regards to Syria ...

Please clarify oh wise one ....

When Xi was visiting Maralago, he and Trump talked at length.

That is where a deal could have been made on NK.

From what I found, they were in complete agreement that NK was out of control.

Does this mean we can take out their Nuke and ICBM capabilities and China will look the other way?

Does this mean China will be working on Kim from within while we work on eliminating their capabilities?

Stay tuned...

And please call me 40. "Oh Wise One" is what they called my Pappy when he and his 2 buds took those gifts to baby Jesus.

Ty for clarifying oh wise one ....

Me thinks China pulls NK's strings .... me also thinks that China is using NK as a "test" for Trump ... me thinks China is NK's puppet master and NK does whatever the puppet master says ....

No problem dumb ass .... is that better ... *L* ...

And me thinks China agrees that something needs to be done about NK but their biggest two fears are...

1- NK is overrun by SK and they have enemies at their Southern border.

2. NK falls apart and they are faced with countless millions of Refugees pouring into China.

If a deal was reached, Trump had to assure them these would not happen.

Lots of new posturing these days since we had a pansey in the WH the last 8 years who let these people do whatever they wanted.

You take away 8 years of free reign and you are going to get some huffing and puffing.

Definitely disagree.

But not surprising. You and I don't agree on much.

If South Korea over runs North Korea with a bunch of sandwiches they'll have that country in an afternoon, and they'll be happy to stay in 'KOREA'. As hungry as those people are (including their military) it won't take long.

I also doubt that China will be too worried about a unified Korean peninsula. Also, is SK considered an enemy of China? If so, is it due to their alliance w/NK?

I don't know how their military stacks up, but merely for the sheer numbers I don't think anyone wants to make China that angry.

I have mixed feelings on this. I'm glad we are showing force but want to avoid another stupid war at almost any costs. I think NK is pushing our buttons and needs a reminder of who the super power is but they are not worth world war or war with China.

The way things are stacking up right now Russia, Syria, North Korea, China, Iran, Hezbollah and ISIS could all be looking to tag team the US. This would pull in our allies, Pakistan and India would each probably back opposing sides so they could fight it out... WW3

Scariest part is that we have a lot of little countries with deep grudges against us so the Evil Axis would have a lot of support in South America, Africa, The Middle East...

Trump has started zero wars.
Trump will start zero wars.
Trump will kill ISIS and secure a safe Syria so all those refugees can return home.
Trump is fixing problems that face us internationally. Problems that have been allowed to fester for far too long.
Get them behind us early so we can get on with Making America Great Again.

40, what the hell are you talking about?

Anyway, we will see about your "Trump will start zero wars" :

Trump declares that North Korea is ‘looking for trouble’ as tensions rise

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-declares-north-korea-looking-trouble-tensions-rise-133918861.html

President Trump suggested on Tuesday that he could sweeten the terms of a trade agreement with China if Beijing assists in solving the North Korea “problem” — but that the United States is prepared to move forward in the western Pacific without Chinese help.

“I explained to the President of China that a trade deal with the U.S. will be far better for them if they solve the North Korean problem!” Trump tweeted early Tuesday, three days after hosting Chinese President Xi Jinping at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

“North Korea is looking for trouble,” Trump wrote. “If China decides to help, that would be great. If not, we will solve the problem without them! U.S.A.”







Over the weekend, Trump deployed a U.S. Navy strike group to the Korean Peninsula as “a show of force,” a U.S. official told Reuters.

In turn, North Korea warned of tough counteraction against the United States if there is any sign of a U.S. strike against Pyongyang.

“The [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] is ready to react to any mode of war desired by the U.S.,” a spokesman for the North’s foreign ministry said, according to state news agency KCNA.

“Our revolutionary strong army is keenly watching every move by enemy elements with our nuclear sight focused on the U.S. invasionary bases not only in South Korea and the Pacific operation theater but also in the U.S. mainland,” North Korea’s official Rodong Sinmun newspaper declared.

North Korea is one of Trump’s most difficult national security challenges. On Barack Obama’s watch, Pyongyang made enough progress on nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that, experts predict, it could strike the U.S. mainland, possibly even the East Coast, in two to three years.

The Obama administration enlisted China and other world powers in two rounds of international sanctions and left Trump options for further tightening the economic vise, Yahoo News previously reported, according to administration and congressional sources.

China is the key to North Korea policy because it’s the smaller country’s patron — its source of food and fuel. Reuters reported early Tuesday morning that China had ordered its trading companies to return coal shipments, a key North Korea export, to the Stalinist regime in Pyongyang.

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Tillerson: Russia Must Choose Between Assad, US
Trump’s Tuesday tweets come amid simmering tensions surrounding several global hot spots, including North Korea and Syria. Last week, Trump ordered an airstrike on a Syrian airfield in response to a deadly chemical attack that was allegedly carried out by the Syrian government against its own citizens. Administration officials have warned that Russia could be held accountable for its support of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Speaking to reporters in Italy on Tuesday en route to Moscow, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson pointed to Russia’s prior agreement to rid Syria of chemical weapons. Tillerson said it was unclear whether the Kremlin was incompetent or complicit in the attack — but that the distinction “doesn’t much matter to the dead.”

“We want to relieve the suffering of the Syrian people,” Tillerson said. “Russia can be a part of that future and play an important role. Or Russia can maintain its alliance.”

Yahoo News Chief Washington Correspondent Olivier Knox contributed to this report.

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All politics and positioning.

Even if we take out NK's Nukes and ICBM's, we will go home without a war.

What you are witnessing is something you have not seen in a very, very long time...

An American President negotiating from a position of strength!

So what do u think the appropriate response should have been OCD? ...

- Do nothing
- sanctions
- harsher response ... if so, how much harsher ...

Just curious as to what u think the proper response would have been ...

I believe you are missing a few ingredients 40.

IF we attack N. Koreas nukes, they will decimate S. Korea in response. They would also bomb Japan if they have the capability. It's a very high stakes game we're playing here.

Having said that, I do believe we have to try to use any strategy within our power to curb N. Korea. They will only get stronger the longer we ignore it.

But let's not pretend it's so simple.

Disagree. NK will decimate no one but themselves.

You sound like Trump.

Who knew it was so complicated?

Obviously it will take some time for you to figure it out.

Do you even realize we have been "Practicing" with SK for over a month now on logistics? We have been unloading all kinds of equipment there, for a month. All kinds. Especially anti missile technology. Just practicing.

We do that every year. They're our allies and we have these maneuvers every year. They've also bought and been supplied with our weapons as well. You really need to do a little research 40.

Yes, we do it every year. This year is very different tho.

Some day you will have a clue. Pay attention and I will help you get there.

I've never really paid attention to the clueless.

Umm, we still don't know if china would even tolerate us rolling up on North Korea.

This is a very complicated problem. One wrong decision could cause WW3.

And that's why I'm so nervous. Trump wants to flex muscles in the Middle East and east Asia at the same time?

If we attack Syria, Russia and Iran will get involved.

If we attack North Korea, its highly likely that china gets involved, which means Russia might get involved.

Oh boy.

Ideally I would have liked to seen that airport bombed to dust and those missiles sent to Assad's primary residence. However, I understand not using a manned mission and only targeting the airport. And we also have to remember that we have troops on the ground there that would be vulnerable to retaliation.

I don't like war, period. If we have to act though I would like to see the harshest response possible most of the time. When you have a bully acting up, the best way to stop them is to bloody their nose or just plain whoop their butt. When Gaddafi's home was bombed way back when he had a new appreciation of our power and Assad/Putin/Korea need to see we will go there. Assad is the best target we have to show this.

Question number one, has China put its foot down on us? Have they said something like "We see an attack on NK as an attack on us."

Question number two, just how fast is our Carrier Group traveling? Going fast or going slowly? This to me would indicate we are giving China the time to do what they are going to do in NK. If a deal was made between Trump and them.

I would not be surprised to see China move into the NK Capital, with great resolve, "To protect it and Kim" but actually to stop him and possibly replace him while we take out his Nukes and ICBM's.

The other dream I have is NK's Kim goes into hiding like his Dad used to do and begs China to save his arse. China tells him they will save him but he must turn over all his Nukes, Nuke technology, and ICBM's to China. Then China will tell America to go away. Which of course we will. Problem solved.

Once this is behind us, the US and China will enter into the Greatest Trade Deal ever known to man! More money than China and the US ever dreamed of.

Time will tell.

Are you being serious?

1. depends on what sort of Deal Trump is trying to make with China.

2. probably however fast they travel in any other military escalation.

of all your really wild speculation, one thing you're forgetting: we have no idea how fat boy will react to any of it.

for all we know, we could strike a deal with china, just for fat boy to get pissed and drop a nuke on china, or south korea, or japan, or any other country not named just out of spite.

then what? we can take him out, sure. but the damage will already be done.

financially speaking......the trade deal will be great IF it worked out that way.

the problem: Trump ran on an American first campaign. any trade deal like that will once again screw over the American worker you guys keep "defending".

i put that in quotation because i have no idea what you really want. A massive trade deal like that means American corporations are gonna make it rain overseas.

Trump still has his businesses over there. so i hope you don't actually expect him to do something of this magnitude that will help job creations, at least with regards to manufacturing jobs.

So in your scenario, China essentially disarms NK's nukes, Trump gives them a huge trade deal, and corporations continue to ship jobs overseas, while Trump gets to say he helped destroy fat boys nukes.

Scenario 2: Trump goes solo dolo, starts war with NK, pisses off China who will most likely retaliate, no trade deal, and more money spent on another damn war.

scenario 3: leave NK alone like all the other presidents have, let fat boy run his mouth like always, no war.

hmm.

Why? What do you think are possible scenarios?

This is why we are on the way to solving the question of what fat boy will do. Nothing. Not once we and China are finished with him. The world will never again have to ask that question.

keep thinking it's that easy.

this isn't muhammed and his goats we are talking about here. this is an actual government with a military and nukes.

Yes, and may I remind you I am batting about 1000 with my scenario's in the Syrian bombing thread.

how?

Read all that I have said over there then check with the News to see how it is all unfolding.

i did.

didn't see any evidence to your claim.

The second half of your post (quoted) kind of reminds me of of those propaganda movies North Korea puts out that people watch and make fun of. The entire premise/storyline is a little out there, deifies the current leader(s) to a ridiculous degree, and doesn't seem to be based on any sort of fact or evidence.