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I thought Manning had a serious neck injury to deal with?

One question: Are all of you who are disagreeing w/me saying that there is no way that NE will trade Jimmy G this year?

He had surgery that cost him a year of playing while he was a Colt.

And no, I for one aren't disagreeing with you on a potential trade by NE. With Belichick, you just never know. That guy is a mad wizard..

What I am saying, and I bet you agree, is that giving anything up that Belichick would want is dumb if you can't get JG to agree to a long term deal...

And with the potential of all the openings for QB's with really good teams around the corner, why would JG sign anything now? I mean, I guess he would if you offer him 100 million, but who's gonna do that?

I'm pretty much a person who believes in the term, "Never say never".

And I would elude to the fact that since the beginning of a heavy passing game in the NFL, no QB has ever been a winning, franchise QB after the age of 42. They have been reduced to back ups or out of the league.

Now is it possible that Brady makes history to play at his current level into his mid 40's? As I said, anything is possible. I do however believe the likelihood of that happening to be slim to none.

BB has always been able to find players that fit his system well. A trade for JG would give him the ammunition to draft yet another QB if he so chose to. Two years from now would be plenty of time to get that QB ready. Therefore I see no reason to rule out a trade involving JG.

What makes Brady different at his age compared to others at the same age is that Brady eats nothing but a blade of grass and a thimbleful of double-distilled mountain spring water. In other words, he puts nothing bad into his body. A lick on a pop-sickle would likely put him in cardiac arrest. Dude is so many layers of healthier than his steak-eating-beer-drinking counterparts. He just may last another 5 years.

That and the refs don't allow him to be punished by the D.

Garoppolo to Browns, Sherman to Patriots in wild three-way trade

There's nothing hotter in the NFL right now than Richard Sherman trade rumors. The Seahawks aren't even thinking about ducking the rumors and Sherman has acknowledged them . Sherman might even be fueling them .

There have been several teams interested, including the Patriots , although those rumors cooled recently. It could be the Patriots having already secured the services of Stephon Gilmore, or maybe the Pats being unable to move Malcolm Butler. Or maybe the Patriots don't like the Seahawks' reported asking price for Sherman in a trade.

The Seahawks reportedly want a Darrelle Revis-style package in exchange for Sherman (Revis was traded from the Jets to the Bucs for the No. 13 overall pick and a fourth-round pick ), which is a deal-breaker for the Patriots because they don't have a first-round pick this year.

But what if things got really crazy and a third team could get involved to help supply the Seahawks with enough picks to make them willing to deal Sherman? There's a team that fits the bill perfectly here: the Cleveland Browns.

The Browns badly want something the Patriots have, Jimmy Garoppolo, while the Browns have something the Seahawks want: a high first-round pick. And the Seahawks have something the Patriots want: Sherman. You get Sherman on the roster with Gilmore (and Butler?) and you're going to have a decent secondary moving forward.

In this hypothetical deal, the Seahawks send Sherman to the Patriots, the Patriots send Garoppolo to the Browns, and the Browns send the No. 12 overall pick plus a conditional fourth-round pick to the Seahawks as well as the No. 33 overall pick to the Patriots.

The Patriots don't appear willing to give up Garoppolo. It's understandable, because he provides insurance in the event something happens to Tom Brady in 2017. They can franchise tag and trade Garoppolo next offseason and still get a haul. But the difference here is they probably can't get a guy of Sherman's quality. Sherman is one of the best corners in football, still only 29 years old and under team control for two years at a reasonable cost. The Seahawks not wanting him is a red flag, of course, but Bill Belichick's specialty is bringing in allegedly disgruntled veterans and having them buy into his system.

The Seahawks, we think, would jump at this if they're really willing to deal Sherman. And it reminds us of the last time Seattle ended up with two first rounders, landing Russell Okung and Earl Thomas in the 2010 NFL Draft. There isn't a guarantee of a player of Thomas' quality being available, for sure, and the offensive line prospects are question marks, but the talent is there for the Seahawks to come away with a first-round haul.

For the Browns, this is a no-brainer move because they get Garoppolo for a reasonable enough price without giving up any future picks. Yeah, you would like to hold onto No. 33, but come away with Myles Garrett and a veteran QB and you're not feeling bad.

To recap:

Patriots get:

Richard Sherman
No. 33 overall pick in 2017 NFL Draft

Seahawks get:

No. 12 overall pick in 2017 NFL Draft
Conditional fourth-round pick in 2018 NFL Draft

Browns get:

Jimmy Garoppolo

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-mo...hree-way-trade/

That's just stupid. Sherman won't bring a second.

If it were to happen, I don't think it would happen until day two of the draft, when all the top CBs are off the board. Then someone may be willing to part with a second to get him. But if that's the case, it would render the above scenario moot.

I understand. In the end I think we will end up with JG. It will have to happen before we go on the clock. I guess it could happen while we are on the clock. This Mitch talk is to get the Pats to move on our 12th pick. They know that if we really do draft Mitch, there goes their best deal for JG, and I agree, trading him is their best option.

Unless maybe Bill is calling it a career after this season and wants another Superbowl. Could be he is protecting the interests of this years team over future interests.

Agree with both posts in by you and Vers ... and for a while I have been thinking that Bill would be entirely justified in keeping JG as insurance in case an aging Brady goes down injured .... a different spin if we think BB wants to maximize his potential of winning another 1 or 2 superbowls is to get an extra pick or 2 this year to add to the roster at other key positions. At 12 there is likely a top CB to replace Butler if he does get traded. There is likely a top edge rusher (Solomon or Barnett?) maybe the top TE (Gronk hasn't seen a full season for how many seasons now?) ... I hadn't thought of it like that until just now. You've got a QB who doesn't have a history of getting injured, perhaps the percentage play is to get top talent to support the SB run? . . . . I hope so! JG would change this team's ability to win this year enormously.

Trade this year? Let him walk in FA next year? I wonder if there's not a third option. Robert Kraft creatively enticing him to stay with the storied franchise, even though Brady may have a few years left. I know the money issue doesn't stack up, and likely JG would take the highest paid starting job on the best team if he's allowed to walk, but I wouldn't discount Kraft's or BB's ability to work some type of deal with him IF they really believe he's TB's successor.

It's a possibility - and personally as an athlete I would value championships (any sport) over being the highest paid guy at my position/sport every day of the week.

That said - I don't believe Brady is the sort of individual to be nice to JG for the sake of it. I believe he wants to play for as many years as he can, provided BB is the coach and the Pats are a good/great team..... I don't personally see any scenario where Brady promises to JG that he is retiring after X number of years. . . . . and if I am JG I am not prepared to wait an unknown (2 years minimum - 4/5 years possibly) waiting waiting waiting.... No way, no how. jmo

Yeah, that's the wild card, isn't it? If TB truly has 3-4 years in him, it would be extremely difficult to convince JG to stick around and lose out on $17-20M a year. But if, say, TB shows any fall off in performance next year, gets hurt, or expresses any interesting in hanging it up at or before the end of 2019, then I could see him sticking around.

I see JG getting franchise tagged next year by the Pats, and then they'll trade him ALA Matt Cassell

It's funny...

The person with, arguably, the least say in the matter seems to be JG himself. If I were him, My preference would be, by far, to sit for one more year, and then hit the FA market.

He gets his choice of suitors, he will probably get a massive contract wherever he goes, or he can choose to stay in NE. He just has to sit tight one more season (and not get traded), and he's in the driver's seat.

Unless, as Petey says, they tag him.

A strong possibility - and probably the most probable outcome based on anything you see/read/hear in the media.

That said - I think if JG doesn't play in 2017 and it goes that way, it will end up looking even more like a Cassell scenario and the parallels will actually make him a lot less valuable than he is right now... couple that with a below average QB class this year and an expected good class next year ... and many QB hungry teams today.

I agree about the possibility of being less valuable than now, but I'd have to think that at least one thing JG would still have over the crop of next years QB's is presumably JG would be a guy who can come right in and play well. Signing JG would mean a team saves 1-3 years of developing a QB. Having said that though, I don't know how much that would mitigate any value loss he might experience.

JG will end up a multimillionaire sitting behind Tom. Safest money to earn a living in the world. I don't think he is crying, as much as, the Browns are ^^

It's a totally unique set of circumstances.... I truly have no idea what's going to happen. . . I know I'd like him. .. You have to also add to the equation that whoever trades for him next year is going straight into a big contract. This year you want to resign him to a long contract but we do have a cheap year if the long term deal doesn't get signed.

If he is the type of guy who is satisfied being a backup Qb then I don't want him.

... and he probably wouldn't have stayed on the Patriots' roster.

Garoppolo - QB - Patriots


Speaking Tuesday, Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio didn't slam the door on a possible trade of Jimmy Garoppolo.

"Anything that we do, we're always going to do what we think is in the best interest of our football team, and that's how we approach it," Caserio said amongst an avalanche of completely useless Patsspeak. It's never made sense for the Pats to categorically close the door on a trade since keeping Garoppolo beyond 2017 would likely require the franchise tag. With draft week nearly here, we should soon know Garoppolo's 2017 status once and for all.


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Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

They aren't going to tag him. They aren't going to tie up 45mil on one position....one of them being a backup.

JG Chapter nine in five, four, three, two...

Hahaha

If they keep him they will 100% tag him ... GAURANTEED ....

If they keep him ... not only will they do it ... its a huge part of the plan if they do keep him ...

I have been over this scenario a dozen times, I just can't see Belichick NOT getting maximum value for a player when he can. I applaud our front office for not appearing desperate and begging to get the deal done. I actually think the pressure is on the Patriots to get the value for a backup QB. Like others have stated HOW can they afford to franchise him, it would just complicate everything. I personally am 50/50 on Jimmy, I believe he has talent, but like Tribisky, a very small sample size on a Super Bowl team. Hue's offense is different, how much $ will he command on an extension, and how many picks is a fair trade for a dude with Less playing experience than Cody Kessler. Very intriguing to say the least.

You have 18 posts. 12 have been on this scenario? You need to diversify!

I am good with #33 and a 2nd next year. I'm on the fence about #12, but I wouldn't be mad if the did. Of course if he does good, it's a steal.

Should have been a little more specific. Luv the feedback!

If they tag him, can't they trade him and not pay that price?

that's what they did with Cassel (whom netted them an early 2nd round pick from the Chiefs)

There'll be suitors next year. The Patriots know this. They keep him this season, re-evaluate, franchise him, and if Brady looks good to go, they'll start the auction


I'd be shocked if he goes anywhere this year. That team is really good, but if Brady breaks a collarbone or something, they'll at least need JG to get them to the postseason

If patriots get too greedy we will just end up making an insane offer to move up in the draft next year unless the injury bug hits us and we end up at #1 next year.

I can't imagine the Browns staying in tact if we draft #1 again. Joe Thomas would probably retire too.

I doubt we will find out. I think the odds are pretty good the Pats end up trading him, mostly because it makes sense, and it doesn't make sense to tie up 45 mil in a QB and his back-up.

I think JG ends up with us for #12 and possibly a later round pick.

If we go into next season without fixing the QB position, we will not need the injury bug to be drafting #1 in 2018.

By fixing - I do not mean drafting a guy out of panic.

I believe the trade gets done also ... i think we give up the 12 and at least one second ... and if we have to throw in two 2nd round picks ...... have no problem with it ... a QB is ALWAYS GOING TO COST TO MUCH ... its just how the position works .... and right now we have the CAPITOL to do it ... we have the cap room and we have the draft picks ... think about it ... now's the time ...

If we give up the 12 and even the 33rd this year and say the 2nd rnd we aquired for next year in the ... can't remember witch trade ... *L* .... we'll still have ...

#1 and #52 and #65 .... Ummmm ... thats still pretty darn good ....

Then in 18 we still have our 1st and 2nd and an additional 2nd ...

We still have all those picks and we get the QB that is game ready on day 1 and doesn't need to learn HOW to be an NFL QB ... doesn't need to learn the SPEED of the game ... he's ready to lead and win on day 1 ... way ahead of ANY OF THE ROOKIES ....

We have the assets ... if its who Hue likes ... he should do it ... and i don't see how Bill could turn that down ... lets face it .. the stars are aligned for us to "overpay" and pull the trigger and make this trade if its who Hue really wants ....

WITH THAT SAID

If the trade don't go down ... there not going to tie 45 mill up in one position .... they'll do a sign and trade .... its been done before .... it'll be done again .... saying there going to have Brady and JG on the roster at THAT PRICE is simply NOT REALISTIC ....

The sign and trade is the nose on your face ... and u shouldn't ignore the nose on your face .... yet u do .... or go ahead and bite it to spite your face ... but please DON'T IGNORE IT ....

I don't agree Cap ... i think the natural evolution gets us to 5 or 6 wins next year .... for a bunch of reasons .... and i think every team gets bit by the injury bug ... just depends on how hard the bite is ... *L* ....

Here's why we will get to 5 or 6 wins next year ...

- it will be everyones 2nd year in the O system and 2nd year with Hue ...

- all the rooks will be 2nd year players ... there will be improvement there ...

- its the nature of the NFL ... it breeds mediocrity and because of that there were a lot of teams that weren't much better than us .. there were actually two or maybe even three teams just as bad as us ... SF was definetly as bad as us ... was ST. Louis better than us ... the jets .... the bears ...

- our QB situation will be better simply because Cody will be in his 2nd year .. that alone makes the position better ... RG3 was a NON -FACTOR .... Luke stunk and the rest were bums and shouldn't have been expected to do much ...

- we will have MORE TALENT and be DEEPER ... Zietler will improve the talent on the OL, Trottier will also ... but he has not yet proven he can be relied upon due to injury ... some guys just can't avoid it ... but when he's out there ... hes an improvement ....

I don't see any way we get the #1 pick next year ... NO WAY ....

I agree eo I would not offer more than 2 2's besides I also think Hue is more than willing to give Kessler another shot ... JMHO

You might be more realistic in the cost. I am sure we will make a deal with which we feel comfortable. I'd still like to keep a 2nd rounder this year. If we have to give it up at 33, I'd push for a swap of second rounders with the Pats.