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He was primarily a 2 gapping nose at Charlotte, but he looked good getting after the passer in 1-on-1s at the Senior Bowl supposedly. Most project him to 3-tech.

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No breakdown just a general impression of him form watching his highlight and game vs Louisville and Senior Bowl reps.

Fluid movement for a guy his size, has a quickness and agility to him.
Can anchor pretty good and has some hustle to his game.
I don't know what his production was like.

He's only the 6rd DL I've watched this year tho (Allen, Wormley, Tomlinson, McDowell, Repogle) his movement skills are at the top that short list. But he looks raw and unpolished in his pass rush.
Def a prospect raw athletic claw that teams can strive to mold/develop.

This kid is a true sleeper, liked him at the senior bowl.

The more I watch of Desmond King, the more I like. I could see him having a little transition time to FS, but I think his skill set is fairly similar to Micah Hyde. I certainly think that he should be in the discussion in round 2 and 3. But the kid is just a ball hawk.

I also really rate King. A really good football player who plays with a little bit of an edge to him. I think he'd make a great safety - there's aplenty in the draft. Someone like King, Marcus Williams or Budda Baker will be there in the late 2nd with any luck.

Saw a tweet that we had shown interest in a small school TE. He looks kind of interesting. I need to track down game tape.

Are there any examples in today's NFL of a slashing 6'5"+ interior lineman, let alone a 6'7" one? His length is mostly negated lining up inside, no? Would he be outleveraged just about every play?

lmao There goes that thin skin again.

I think the 3-4 teams will love him, he doesn't really show as a slashing type player on tape. Has good explosion. A good comp would be a poor mans Calais Campbell. He's got a ways to go though. But has potential.

Tape for you.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/tanoh-kpassagnon/

I've heard a lot of talk about edge guys/pass rushers, but I haven't heard much about Carl Lawson. I just started digging into the tape and I'm liking it. He's really quick at the snap and has great hands. I'd like him more if he could put on about 20 lbs and kick inside as he doesn't have the greatest bend or length. Not sure if he'd be able or not though, his upper body looks pretty maxed out. He does try to guess the snap count too much.

Any of you watched his tape and have thoughts?

Lawson was one of the edge rusher prospects I mentioned awhile back in the Allen vs Garrett discussion when I said there is much more quality depth at edge then DT.

He was my target for the Ravens when I traded down but I liked Charles Harris also so I wasn't upset when Lawson was gone. I like Lawson more then Takk and Takk is going in the 1st round in nfl.com mocks.

I like the same things you like. I like his 1st step quickness. I like that he hustles. Makes plays in the run game. Go bend. Can win outside and inside.

Everyone likes comps so i'll give a comp of Justin Houston (but a bit lighter).

I only watched the Clemson game and highlights. But Lawdog was an issue for the Clemson O.

I've actually been going through the edge guys trying to project who might be able to transition to the Aaron Donald style 3tech. Lawson is the closest I've come across so far. (Though after watching Donald's Pitt highlights, they all fall short) My only questions are his medical, and would he be too light inside. I'd be really tempted if he's there at 33. We could have some interesting pass rush packages at the least. Maybe something special if he could hold up regularly between Garrett and Shelton.

Ours if we want him, I suspect. Think he could be one of those finds? Indy ran the ball well on some folks. Solid pick up IMO.

If it wasn't for Lawson's injury history I think he would be much higher regarded prospect. His rushing this year was up there with Barnett but in his previous years he always had some kinds injury ding. Teams get nervous about injury stuff.

I think finding a good 3tech is hard enough from prospects that actually play the position. Imho finding an edge rusher and go through a complete position change and body change to play effective (let alone good) 3tech isn't likely to yield good results.

I feel like Lawson plays inside some already, so it's not a complete overhaul.

"Experience rushing from interior-line spot" NFL.com draft profile

"Productive when kicking inside to rush the passer, creating pressure on 40 percent of his rushes in between the tackles"
PFF Scouting Report



The injuries are definitely a concern. He didn't seem to show any lingering effects this season, though, so it's hard to tell what effect they'll have if any going forward.

I'd play him outside some, too, but I think a move inside (over time) could mitigate some of his lack of length and limit how much he needs to redirect.

Lots of edge rush prospects rush from the inside. I've seen Garrett and Barnett rush from the inside. But its much different then actually being a 3-tech. To each their own.

I like Lawson as an edge rusher and wouldn't asking him to make a position change.

Injuries I'm not saying the injures were an issue this year. I'm saying that his injury history will hurt is grade because it hurts any player's grade.

Yeah, I like Lawson as a pure pass rusher. Inside or outside. Think his tackle radius and ability to contain will always be an issue on the edge. The Browns need a disruptor.

I kind of get what you are saying about 3-tech, but I'd say that depends on what kind of 3-tech. I'm looking at him as someone who can penetrate and cause havoc from that interior spot.

I think we agree on the injuries. They're the reason his stock isn't higher. I was trying to comment that it looked like he had made a full recovery, which isn't always the case.

Lawson weighed in at 261 pounds, to play the 3 tech. He'd have to add about 20 lbs that's asking a lot. I think I'd look at Demarcus Walker before Lawson to play 3 tech. He weighed in at 280 lbs.

I've admitted it's a lot, but I do really like him as a prospect. If we take Garrett, there is not an obvious need at DE, though. However, we've talked about sub-packages and being in nickel a lot, and he's a good interior pass rusher now. Also, you can never have too many pass rushers. If he is able to put on 20 pounds, I think he could be a stud on early downs inside, too. Have you watched his film?

I'm not high on Walker.

While OJ Howard is a "safe" pick, I'm not as high on him as some. It came up in the 1st pick rumor thread, but I've since put together a spreadsheet and I'll link it here:

OJ Howard Stats: 2015-16

I'm not really a box score scout, but something just doesn't add up.

Throw out the Clemson games and his numbers are...pretty meh.

The Howard comments from the other thread:


Anyone else have some concerns with him?

I was watching Ogbah tape earlier (the boom/bust talk [I was low on him and Nassib], and seeing if he could play inside led me there), and I came to the conclusion I might have been too low on Engram, the TE from Ole Miss.

He's kind of a mix of Jordan Reed and Anquan Boldin (mainly after the catch/catching in traffic). Don't love him in-line, but as a big slot he might be a stud.

If the strength of this draft is D then I would choose about 75% of my picks on that side of the ball. I for one am tired of teams running the ball down our throats and always scoring on us at the end of the 1st half. We addressed O a lot in FA and if we see someone on O that can help us draft him but I would concentrate on D.

No.

My concerns are not so much with his individual evaluation because I'm not good at evaluations and I refuse to evaluate by stats alone. My concern comes from more of a team offense perspective.

I think the team needs to establish a solid, scoring offense before spending a high pick on a tight end, even if said TE projects to be a great player. My thinking is thus: New England has possibly the best TE in the NFL with Gronk. What he is capable of is astounding. So what happens to NE when Gronk is injured and not available? They score plenty of points and win without him. That's because their offense is solidly full of talent as it is. Gronk is like the icing on the cake but NE's cake is good without icing.

Granted, the Browns don't have Brady at QB, but neither do they have Edelman, Amendola and a few other pieces that make their offense great. The Browns also lack NE's superior Defense.

With the Browns missing all of the above, I don't believe a good TE, not even the Gronk, would put them over the top. We have a good TE in Barnidge and up-and-comers DeValve and Telfer. We need to build or offense AND defense so that a high pick on a TE will not be wasted.

No need to spend a high draft pick on a TE is my opinion.

None? I think he'll be good, but I'm not sure he'll be great. I'm fine with first round, but top 10 I'd like to have seen more.

While I would like to see more from Howard when I went through his tape it was very obvious to me that bama refused to alter their plan to him. I couldn't even recall him being covered downfield yet they constantly ran him as the safety valve. Dumpoffs, hooks, outs were 95% of his routes. When he was given the opportunity it showed.

While that's a concern is it really more of a concern than most prospects? Because athletically and his completeness as a TE he is remarkable. Call me crazy but minus the injury concerns these were the same concerns with another receiving target from bama. Julio turned out all right. As a prospect Julio was an amazing blocker and a remarkable athlete but never produced the way people thought he should. I see Howard in the same mold.

I like to say ceiling and floors rather than just upside. At worst he's Jermaine Gresham and his ceiling is infinite.

That's the first time I've ever seen Julio Jones and O. J. Howard ever mentioned in the same breath. lol

Nope.

I don't fault a prospect for how he was used or his circumstances (e.g. QB play, not being featured via scheme).

His production is good. His measureables are great. He a good and willing blocker in-line. He dominated at the Senior Bowl.

He seems like the epitome of cliche 'will be a better pro then college player'

I like Howard a lot.

Julio wasn't even the 1st wr off the board. I think many people forget what these guys looked like as prospects when they succeed after being drafted.

Most people don't remember how low Julios production was for a star wr because he was such a freak. But physically he wasn't any more gifted than Howard is now. I don't see it as that far of a stretch. They even have similar play styles.

Cooper was supposed to be good inside with pass rush, but I don't think he's really shown it. Maybe Williams will get more out of him. Did Nassib play inside last season? I can't really remember him doing it, but then I've blocked most of the specifics from last season out.

Nassib played outside if memory serves me right . Had a nice pre season , got hurt early in the regular , and when he returned didn't do much !

I could see ogbah inside on rush downs. Nassibs length really helps at LE on obvious passing downs. Obstructs the qb

Reuben Foster - LB - Player

Alabama ILB Reuben Foster failed his Combine drug test.

Foster's sample was diluted, which counts as a failed test. He's now in the league's substance-abuse program. Foster claims he failed the test because he was extremely ill and taking in an exceptional amount of fluids. This adds to a nightmare Combine for Foster, who was sent home after getting into an altercation with a hospital worker. Foster is recovering from shoulder surgery. Foster is an elite talent, but could fall to Day 2 because of his growing off-the-field concerns.

Source: NFL.com Apr 20 - 4:24 PM

I remember him as prospect and wanted Washington to get him. I wouldn't write him off yet, it seemed like he was coming around last year even though it seemed he was much more at home at 3-tech then 5-tech.

Not on Lawson, Walker some, I'm not real high on him either as an end but if he's there in say the 3rd round I wouldn't mind bringing him here. I could see him being moved around in sub packages.