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Or you avoid it because - as this one guy named Dave just said - your opinion is "so weak it's laughable".

I like how the white population of DT doesn't know what a "white hispanic" is, but knows that Allahu Akbar means God is great.

Daves not here

The meaning and usage of a "white hispanic" is not that simple to describe because it conflates race with ethnicity. The way "white hispanic" is used doesn't even make sense in most cases. Hispanic, in its literal meaning, refers to a historical or cultural link to Spain, hence Hispanic. Think Spanish language.

However, in common usage, "white hispanic" is usually used to describe someone of mixed White (often Spanish) and Amerindian descent. What most would call "white hispanic" would more accurately be called Mestizo, but you're getting dangerously close hate speech at that point. I mean that literally... political correctness is insane like that.

quote above by DC:

"Is it really a promising sign of societal maturity to become disinterested in the brutal killing of innocent people? "

Are you absorbed by stories of people getting slaughtered?

Yeah, I mean referring to someone's identity in reference to a caste system from another country is pretty dangerous. The ignorance starts to show itself. Think not your waters.


Also crine @ thought that white hispanic is just something made up and isn't an actual thing. Do you think hispanics and latinos don't discuss race and how it relates to them? You ever ask some Dominicans what they think of Haitians? jajajajaja

Semantics aside, he does bring up a good point. I've noticed a disturbing trend where mass killings under a certain number don't get much attention. If they don't confirm someone's political views, those people tend to ignore them. Others have become numb and desensitized to them. They happen far too often, but things don't have to be like this. That's the part that is so frustrating.

This has nothing to do with caste systems and that's not even something I'm interested in in this context.

You have to admit that it makes little sense how we, as Americans, track many measures of quality of life, crime, socioeconomic status, etc. by race and then conflate everything by throwing Hispanic ethnicity in there, when Hispanics can be White, Black, Asian, or anything really.

I just tried to clarify what the definitions are for other people, with a warning that there are some sensitive people out there who will get offended by all of it. Why exactly that is the case was never very clear to me.

Are you really wondering why you shouldn't call latinos mestizos? Would you call a light skinned dude a mulatto? These are charged words from colonial times with caste systems. You might not want to bring the caste system "into the context", but by removing the word from its original context, you are thereby bringing it up.

My observation is that "white hispanic", "black hispanic" and similar descriptors make little sense, and many people are unsure what they mean because they conflate different concepts. The way they are often used further adds to this confusion.

My intent was to clarify all of this for others. I can tell that I do not have the elaborate cultural education on this that you do. To tell you the truth, I've lost track of what is politically correct or not on a lot of things. I just find the whole concept of censoring harmless discussion to be so strange. Well, it is possible that you think it is not harmless discussion, but to me it is, because I have no motivations beyond clarity and academic discussion.

I'm not really sure how to answer your question. Well, the answer would be no, but I would not call anybody by a racial descriptor, especially if they may find it offensive. Yet, everybody knows what a mulatto is. You probably don't want to use that word, but the idea of a white-black mixed person is not offensive.

It's openly acknowledged that President Obama has a white mother and black father. Why should it be offensive to acknowledge that about any other mixed-race person, such as somebody who is mixed amerindian-white? I guess what I'm wondering is if it's the word that has its roots in a caste system that is offensive or just discussing what the concepts mean is offensive.

It's not considered offensive if we say Black, African, White, Irish, etc... why is it different here?

It's the word's root and the fact that we have actual terms to refer to white hispanics and black hispanics. You're also misusing the word, which doesn't make it all that much better. But whatever. It's a word based on a caste system that ended over 150 years ago, most of the time destroying the caste system. As a result the verbiage could never be fixed.

Are you not aware the description of the "Dark White Skin" was photoshopped by someone on Twitter? The local Fox 8 news has noted this several times on both their news broadcasts and their Twitter account, that this screen shot had been photoshopped. This was debunked almost immediately.

It has been a good conversation. I learned a few things and hopefully some of the other Dawgs did as well. I don't want to derail this thread anymore than I already have.

Nope, I didnt know that. Thanks for the info! I guess I should have realized since it is fox, not cnn.

I wouldn't expect Fox to make that alternation. Heck, given the publicity of the story with the FB live streaming, I wouldn't expect any station to try that... not even the Clinton News Network.

Also the "Dark white skin" text is different than the rest. It's subtle-- look closely.

On topic: http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-fresno-...ory?id=46925155

Suspect in Fresno shooting rampage charged with previous murder of motel security guard

The suspect behind a shooting rampage that killed three people in just minutes in Fresno, California Tuesday has been charged with murder from a previous killing.

The Fresno County District Attorney's Office charged Kori Ali Muhammad in last week's murder of 25-year-old Carl Williams, a security guard at a local Motel 6. Muhammad told investigators that he shot Williams because he disrespected him, Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said Wednesday. He is also charged with attempted murder for shooting at a second security guard.

Muhammad -- born Kori McDonald -- will be arraigned Friday morning on that murder charge. The district attorney has not yet submitted its case on the this week's shooting spree.

Fresno police chief releases new details in 'hate crime' shooting rampage that killed 3
Police arrest man accused of fatally shooting 3 people in Fresno on same day in 'hate crime'
Police said Muhammad was inspired to carry out the "hate crime" shooting after learning on a local news report that he was the suspect of the Motel 6 murder.

Muhammad told police that he is Muslim but had't been to a mosque in 20 years and prays to numerous gods and practices voodoo rituals.

On Tuesday morning, he had gone to buy items to practice voodoo but stopped at a Starbucks instead, where he used the wi-fi to watch a news broadcast from ABC Fresno station KFSN, which identified him as the suspect in Williams' murder.

He then decided to kill as many white males as possible, Dyer said, adding that he Muhammad told investigators that he does not like white men. Muhammad has also written anti-government sentiments on social media as well as posts saying that he does not like white people, the police chief said.

Muhammad fired 17 shots in about three minutes, killing three people. He also fired at two women inside of a car and at a group of men at a bus stop.

Muhammad was arrested shortly after the shooting and has since given detectives several hours of interviews describing his actions, laughing while he made the descriptions, Dyer said.

Dyer said that officers witnessed Muhammad yell "Allahu akbar" at the scene of the shooting. Dyer described Muhammad as a "racist" rather than a terrorist.

The shooting was labeled by police as a hate crime. It is unclear if Muhammad has retained an attorney.

Don't forget the real racist 'buzzword' UNARMED

j/c

Well if we're all going to get our panties in a bunch over semantics.....

I'm offended that people never seemed to recognize that Obama was half white. lmao

One drop rule, bro.

Well were not doing to bad here ,lol

............ Disclaimer ...........
Age (Generation) puts me in head scratching mode most days when I see the News . Growing up in the 60's in a small business / Military family made me Center Right with a big dash of Libertarian mixed in ..

Don't want us to get so Numb to real WRONG that we can't put our differences apart and handle /discuss the situation

Agreed... it is bad.

When I first saw this thread, my initial impression was that it might have to go in the politics section. Yet, there's no reason this should be political. Innocent people were killed by a madman in cold blood.

That's something we should all know is awful, regardless of whether or not the details are politically convenient or not.

just catching up...

First, Haus, if there is ANY back and forth discussion that is respectful and insightful, I don't think it matters if it derails a thread LOL

CHS- in regards to "white Hispanic"... yeah, I know you don't call a Puerta Rican a Mexican and definitely don't mistake Dominicans for Haitians LOL We typically lump everyone in to that generic "Hispanic" category and I'll admit that most people who aren't Hispanic don't realize how important the differences really are. But the main reason why there was all this angst about the term "white hispanic" was because that wasn't a term in common usage, anywhere. It was seen (and for my 2 cents, rightfully so) as an attempt by the media to inflame racial tension. Bulwarking my comment, I'd point out that the term "white hispanic" hasn't been used since.

Swish- While I certainly understand why some see translating in to english God is Great as softening the story, given the media's history on such topics... I do agree with you that complaining about it is really much ado about nothing. In fact, I think putting it in terms much more easily understood by people, really only helps point to the shooters religious motivations.



Someone made the comment earlier about there being a certain number of dead before the media will report it.. Haus maybe? Anyway, it's more than simply the number of dead. In fact, think the number of dead is probably the least important fact.

Swish and I have made the same observations in the past on the disparity of how the news reports incidents based on race. If you are a 20 something, hot, blonde, white girl and you are reported missing at noon in BFE, Heartland America... you're face will be plastered across all the major cable news outlets by the 8:00pm time slot.

If you're black, typically you have to be elementary school age or younger, and already likely have had something terrible happen to you.

And that's it. You won't ever see a 17yr old black teenager's face plastered on CNN or FOX after she's been reported missing.

Shootings? I'm going off the top of my head, but I believe a 'mass' shooting is when there are more than 2 (maybe 3 victims?). Victim doesn't necessarily mean killed either.

Shoot up a white kids college.. you'll get Shep Smith, some random person from MSNBC and who knows what camped out for a week giving you live updates every commercial break.

Go to the hood where someone drives by and shoots up a family picnic...Maybe it gets honorable mention on the nightly news.

I really do believe there is a concerted effort to keep people divided. It permeates through gov't and both parties, and it is helped along by the media.

I don't get so upset by fake news anymore because this is the natural consequence of We the People not having held our gov't or media accountable for decades.

You are just being difficult. A number of religions use the expression God is great or something similar to it.. but when it's in Arabic, it's associated with a specific religion, the Muslim religion.. and that's the connection they were trying to avoid making.. and you darn well know it.

Every American who hasn't lived in a cave for the last 20 years knows what Allah Akbar means, who says it, and what it means... I don't speak German but I know what Heil Hitler means and I guarantee you that if a white supremacist screamed it while running in to murder people, CNN would NOT be so kind as to translate it for me.

Not being difficult. Asking a legit question that I'm not hearing good answers to.

The fact that you refuse to accept them doesn't mean there haven't been good answers.. CNN was going out of its way to present the "facts" in such a way as to try to hide the fact that the killer was probably Muslim.. and you know it.

Sorry bro, just don't see it hoe you do. It's obvious to me what this is.

It's funny watching you argue about there not being a label after you made the claim you don't label people.

Screaming Allah Akbar isn't a label, it's a fact that they chose to manipulate in their reporting. Fox News manipulates information like that all the time and liberals hate it, but when CNN does it, they don't understand what the problem is.

Again, how is it manipulating information if it's a direct translation to the English language?

Wait... it's Allah Ackbar?? I thought they were saying Aloha Snackbar.

I've been afraid to point out the Polynesian aspect of this for fear of being labeled a racist