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You talked about them not understanding N. Korea. You do realize that involves two sides of the political discourse, correct? World events can not be discussed without viewpoints from both sides of the political aisle.
If you look at our education ranking, maybe focusing on science, math and other major subjects serve us better because we aren't doing so well.
If schools plan to keep politics out of the classroom, there are a lot of things that need to be avoided.
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So you are saying to forbid students from talking about world events because god forbid they have a discussion about different viewpoints? You dont think teachers are capable of leading a discussion with differing viewpoints?
Do you even realize that history is full of differing view points on an event?
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Teachers don't need the freedom to discipline kids.
Administrative, maybe some public humiliation in front of class mates I'm cool with, but freedom to discipline also means physical, and nobody is putting a hand on my girls. Period.
I get what you are saying, I really do... but publicly humiliating a child in front of the class would probably do more damage to them than the sting of a paddle across the butt in a private office. With that said, I'm torn on the wanting to allow schools to paddle. As I've talked about before, I grew up in a small town, my parents knew my teachers and my vice principles, etc.. there was an inherent trust and respect and accountability. I wouldn't know my kids vice principles if they walked in the room right now. I don't have that level of trust. So, in theory I would like to allow schools to do it, but I'm not sure I want somebody that I don't know spanking my kids.
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World events can not be discussed without viewpoints from both sides of the political aisle. Sure they can, have you been on a college campus lately? When you are talking about younger kids, even high school kids, the teacher is going to do 90% of the talking, at least as it relates to facts and what's going on.. the kids are going to listen. The teacher is the authority figure, the kids are going to believe the teacher.... so if the teacher is heavily leaning one way or the other, the kids are going to come away with the opinion that the teachers opinion is "right"...
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World events can not be discussed without viewpoints from both sides of the political aisle. Sure they can, have you been on a college campus lately? When you are talking about younger kids, even high school kids, the teacher is going to do 90% of the talking, at least as it relates to facts and what's going on.. the kids are going to listen. The teacher is the authority figure, the kids are going to believe the teacher.... so if the teacher is heavily leaning one way or the other, the kids are going to come away with the opinion that the teachers opinion is "right"... You made my point better than I could. Now maybe Eve will read it. I don't want teachers instilling their viewpoints on our children. It seems Eve feels differently.
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I dont have a problem with it. Most teachers are probably smart enough to know to stay realitvely neutral and present facts. Most kids are going to lean towards their parents beliefs. But hearing a different point of view isnt going to hurt them or scar them for life.
This sort of coddling behavior is exactly what turns kids into snowflakes.
When they get into the real world they are going to have to deal with a lot of different people with different viewpoints. They better learn how to deal with it in school first. Or they will be woefully unprepared for life.
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Pit, the funny thing is that I'm agreeing with both of you. I want kids challenged in school on world events and differing opinions, I want them to have to think critically and learn to deal with conflict among their peers, I want them to learn that it's ok if you and your friend don't feel exactly the same about every single issue, you can still be friends..
At the same time I recognize that a teacher who doesn't make a serious attempt to stay neutral could screw that whole process up. Heck, that's why they almost NEVER even discuss religion in school, even as an aspect of history, because of this grand fear that the teacher won't be 100% neutral and will be viewed as encouraging one belief system or the other...
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That's the first time I've ever heard the term centennials or Gen Z.
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I knew we were into Gen Z but when I looked up the exact dates, evidently they are also called Centennials and iGen... clever.
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And therein lies the conundrum. Do we as parents trust teachers not to influence the discussion and as such our children? I for one believe there is good and bad in almost all groups of people. I don't mind children having healthy discussions and disagreements. That's a part of life that it seems many have a hard time with.
The problem is, it isn't just our children. We see it here on this very board with older adults. They use labels and insufficient accusations as a basis to discredit one another. Very little of anything that resembles subsistence is exhibited.
It's not the students disagreeing that worries me or bothers me. It's more the influence of our educators determining the world views of our growing and easily influenced children.
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They use labels and insufficient accusations as a basis to discredit one another. Yea, I hate it when the liberal snowflakes do that. It's not the students disagreeing that worries me or bothers me. It's more the influence of our educators determining the world views of our growing and easily influenced children. I feel ya. You tell your kids to listen to the teacher, the teacher is the authority, respect the teacher.. so what do you do when the teacher is espousing an opinion or a worldview that you adamantly disagree with? Heck, even if they sent home a note that said, "Tomorrow we are going to talk about XYZ"... at least then I could have a pre-emptive discussion with my kids on some of the things they are likely to hear, what the different sides believe, what my opinion is, the problem with different arguments, etc...
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It's easy to draw that parallel, but I don't really agree.
While not ideal, I think it's better to be able to respond poorly to an argument than to (basically) not be able to respond at all.
That's the crazy thing about the whole 'snowflake' phenomenon. If I understand correctly, they just simply can't handle differing opinions.(Again, if I understand correctly), that's the whole microagression and safe space thing. The snowflakes can't handle a differing opinion, don't know how to respond... and after that I really don't know what the thought process is to get them to the point where they're emotionally broken down or whatever.
I just read an article that Berkeley has canceled a talk by Ann Coulter. Now, I know everyone has strong feelings about that woman, but within the frame of this conversation, her being right or wrong is irrelevant. The snowflakes won't even allow her to speak. This has happened a couple times at colleges to several prominent conservative/RW speakers. I should say that I believe this is why snowflakes tends to be a stereotype for liberals, even though it can definitely be applied across the board. You hear more about liberal tears than conservative ones.
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This generation is soft because they all get sad about something, get on their preferred social media app, find affirmation in their depression from all of their 'friends and followers', syruped with gobs of sympathy and then sprinkled with excuses.
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First let me say I am not a parent. You guys that are parents may know these things already. It was all rather shocking to me, and I had no idea.
So I build/run online games for a living. The clientel is mostly teens and young adults.
Yesterday on my game we all had a chat convo that was disturbing to me. But not to the kids.
It started with one teen saying they were frightened that we were all going to be killed in a war with north korea. They were scared of being nuked.
So I explained that NK nukes cant reach us and they have nothing to worry about.
So then I asked why their teachers dont talk to them about north korea.
And SEVERAL of them told me they are forbidden to talk about politics or world events at school. And I was like wth, why is that? And they said because it causes fights.
So apparently many schools just dont let kids talk about anything relevant to the world anymore. What the hell is the point of social studies/history class then? How are they supposed to learn about the world?
Its not like one kid told me this. Several of them did.
Its terrible. No wonder they grow up afraid of their own shadow.
I am not saying all schools do this, but if I had kids I would yank them out of that school.
Teachers are supposed to teach them about current events and teach them how to have mature and rational discussions about it.
Instead they learn from whatever hysterical crap they read on facebook and twitter.
No wonder they grow up and need "safe spaces" and whatever scaredy crap stuff
If you are a parent, please have a convo with your kids about their school policies. If their teachers arent helping them understand current events, then please talk to them about it.
Because this is crazy. And I had no idea schools were neglecting kids like this.It made me really mad. No doubt, we are raising a country of wimps. Boys can't be boys anymore. If they act like a normal male at a young age, they are put on drugs to curb nature. Boys aren't going to sit still, and they are going to get in to scraps. Nowdays they get kicked out of school rather than getting a few swats and a week of detention. Boys don't verbalize. They act. They don't respond to reason as easily as they respond to pain, they get that. So we now have a bunch of punks. It's sickening.
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Somehow we're the snowflakes, even though the no spanking/everyone gets a trophy movement came from suburbia generation X and late generation baby boomers A lot of the parents of todays students could use an ass beating as well.
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Right on Ballpeen.
I'm so thankful I grew-up in the 60s and 70s.
They'd have put me on every prescription in the book:
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It's a complicated topic for sure. There are many causes and many ways to interpret our observations. One thing that I think people miss out on is how much our current lifestyle and environment plays into all of this. Think along the lines of: Junk food, video games, porn, social media, mindless web browsing, drug/alcohol abuse, etc. Several of those are poor but hyperstimulating variants of normal human behavior... e.g. social media is a fast, rapid fire version of socialization. It spikes dopamine and keeps it elevated even if pretty much all of us realize it can't really replace actual human contact. There's some interesting research out there regarding addiction. I'm using the term addiction loosely here, and includes all of the behaviors listed above because when taken to excess, they have considerable overlap in terms of stimulating the human reward system as well as long-term effects on the brain. Reduced gray matter is one such common effect often seen in addiction. We are talking literal, physical brain changes. We are all affected to some extent, but it probably affects young people the most because brains are more plastic when young. edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jordanshapi...n/#7ce95d89a7c9short version: Teens in the U.S. spend about 9 hours a day in front of 'screens'. This number excludes any time spent for education (at school or for homework.) You think that maybe kids spending 9 hours a day in front of the the TV or on their computers/phones might be a little unhealthy and have some effect on their behavior/thinking? Add in educational stuff and you're probably above 10. And this is assuming the numbers reported are accurate when in reality they probably understate things.
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[/quote] So if you had a kid and he was in , say 3rd grade last year, and he came home talking about all the great things Obama was doing as president . What would your reaction be ? I am not targeting you , just using this as an example, this is why teachers and schools are really afraid to talk about current events.
I am also of the belief that it is not up to the schools to teach our kids everything . Parents have a lot of responsibility also. This. Just as EveDawg said she would snatch her kids out of a school that did NOT discuss things on this subject, some will snatch their kids out of school FOR talking about those things, especially if there is input that goes against the parents thoughts. Some teachers aren't able to only discuss politics, but they start sharing their opinions, and that is what gets them in trouble.
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It's interesting to see how parenting evolves through the generations. I'm the only millennial in my family (born in '83) while all my brothers and sisters are either Gen X or Boomers. My parents are/were traditionals.
I graduated from law school in 2009, right at the height of the Great Recession. I had to claw for a job, and ultimately took one that I absolutely hated. Everything about it was awful, but I held on to it for 1.5 years because it was a job and I needed to support my family.
Being through that experience, and growing up through things like Columbine, 9/11, 3 wars, among other things, taught me the importance of exposing oneself to the issues of the world. I felt like I had an advantage of being able to witness things and experience struggles when I was younger, so that I could deal with them much better as an adult.
That is how I'm raising my kids (well, at least my son so far since my daughter is only 2).
My son knows what bad words are, understands that there are homeless and disadvantaged people, has gone with me to do some charity work in bad areas of town, understands that he won't win everything, and knows the importance of getting chores done. It's very difficult as a parent for me to do a lot of these things because I do feel like I'm eroding his innocence, but I feel that it's best for him.
On the flip side, my brothers and sisters do the opposite. They engage in a lot of censorship (cutting off channels and whatnot), and sheltering. I'm not saying one is right and the other is wrong, or that I'm a better parent, but I'm just highlighting what I see to be a generational difference in parenting.
Perhaps the pendulum swings both ways over time.
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I have family working in schools as teachers and special needs techs and such so I hear these stories...
Just the other day, a 1st Grader destroyed his classroom, swung on the teacher and terrified his fellow students.
Sent to the Principle, the kid proceeded to punch him in the groin.
Mom was called in once they got the kid settled, went right over to her kid, knelt down to eye level, and told the kid, "Its ok honey, none of this is your fault."
A relative of ours is 8 years old and refuses to do his assigned work.
His teacher has a chart on the wall with a Green, Yellow, and Red circle on top of the chart. Each kids name falls under one of those circles according to their standing on assignments. Most kids are either under Green for good, Yellow as a warning they are behind, and Red for incomplete assignments.
My relative is under the Red as he does nothing. He came in, saw he was Red and threw a fit. Screamed and cried, yelled and threw his papers.
Teacher sent him to the Principle and mom was called in to take him home.
Now, when the kid doesn't feel like being in school, he throws a fit and mom comes to take him home.
They tried to out fox the kid by keeping him at school even when he throws a fit but recently he trashed the Principles office and locked himself in the Principles bathroom. The Fire Dept got him out.
They sent him home.
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Kids today don't learn conflict resolution.
They are told that they have done great, no mater what their actual performance was.
Many attend schools that teach them inclusion through exclusion.
Also, many kids never learn basic interpersonal skills.
How one feels about anything and everything is now most important ..... surpassing even fact.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Kids today don't learn conflict resolution. Parents have a lot of blame. But, I realize, that takes parenting.
They are told that they have done great, no mater what their actual performance was.
Agreed for the most part. And it often times takes away desire to excel, or at a minimum, do better.
Also, many kids never learn basic interpersonal skills.
Get the phones and computer games away from them.
How one feels about anything and everything is now most important ..... surpassing even fact. Most times. There is also a fear of failure, which leads to a fear of stepping out/up. Perfect example. My daughter. Softball. She's a sophomore. Before the jv. and varsity teams were named she said she was afraid she'd make varsity. "Why would you be afraid of that?" Because the pitchers we face on varsity are better. She starts, on the varsity team. She batted 5th or 6th most of the season so far. Last game, she was batting clean up. She's hitting .360 so far, in 31 at bats, and has all of 2 strikeouts. Not a whole lot of walks either, but walks don't figure into your batting average. Bottom line, she faced a "fear" and has smacked the ball. (batting 4th, she was 1-4. Got on once because she smacked a liner to the 2nd baseman that couldn't handle it. E 4, and Sooga standing on 1st. She hits the ball. Asked her just this week "Are you still afraid of the varsity pitchers you face?" (many of them have been h.s. D 1 teams) No. Fear of failure, or perhaps a fear of putting forth effort. Or, maybe it's more of a "I don't have to,and I'll still get what I want" attitude. I don't know.
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We talk current events and politics in our Language Arts classroom. So much written fiction ends up as commentary on the world.
I just had my students research a controversial topic (one of their choosing), give four viewpoints in favor of the topic, four viewpoints against the topic, and then they took a side. Topics ranged from same-sex marriage, the death penalty, legality of steroids in sports, abortion, etc. The kids came up with varying ideas and they came up with a bevy of sources.
I do my part. Not participating in a "safe space" for either side ends up as one of them
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never received any sort of spanking. I turned out okay. ehhhhhhh.... 
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I received many spankings. I turned out far worse.
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I never received any sort of spanking. I turned out okay. My point has now been proven. Thanks Rocket. 
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I never received any sort of spanking. I turned out okay. My point has now been proven. Thanks Rocket. The problems with spanking in schools is that how do you regulate that? I was lucky, my first year in Cleveland Public Schools was the first year after they had banned corporal punishment. I heard many horror stories of the certain teachers that just went over board I agree with Swish, nobody should put their hands on my kids. If I choose to warm their azzes up, that is my place.
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Back in the day ; I would rather take a Swat at school and let it end there than have it reach my MOM'S phone !
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I got swatted two different times back in grade school back in the 70's, neither time brought a tear to my eye.
Had a teacher in the 4th grade that would look at dirt and say, 'I remember when you were born!', this lady had had enough of elementary kids for a looong time. She'd take people that were acting up out in the hall and 'encourage' them rather violently to live up to their potential by slamming you against the wall, taking you by the shoulders and shaking the crap out of you or crumpling up that old face of hers and punching you square in the chest.
All of this was mixed in with the 'pay attention' and 'you're a bright boy' ass chewin' whoever got taken out there for a talkin' too.
My mother said she was one of the best teachers I had.
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I had no such luxury.
Pops was one of the Top Cops in our town, and had a standing arrangement with school admin: "I need to know before the boy gets home from school."
For me, the rule was simple: anything the school dished out would be doubled at home.
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Back in the day ; I would rather take a Swat at school and let it end there than have it reach my MOM'S phone ! but the problem is kids dont fear their parents anymore.
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Omg, one time I had a parent email me and tell me to ban their kid from my game, but dont tell the kid it was the parent that requested it. Aka keep it on the down low. Because the parent was literally scared of their child and their temper.
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Omg, one time I had a parent email me and tell me to ban their kid from my game, but dont tell the kid it was the parent that requested it. Aka keep it on the down low. Because the parent was literally scared of their child and their temper. I deal with that crap with my new wife, her 14 year old son, and my wifes ex husband. The kid wont come out of his room, he sits there and plays video games all day. They let him home school and he doesnt do that work either. He trashes his dad to his Mom on the rare ocassions his Dad actually says no, and he is so nasty to his Mom when she says no that she crys. They have shared parenting, but his Dad is the residential parent so he could stay in the same school district. We went over there Friday so his Mom and Dad could tell him he was going back to regular school next year. He started getting reak mean and nasty and his dad just said " its ok Buddy , nobody is mad at you John" I just sat there quiet but in my mind I was thinking " you got to be kidding me, this kid needs his butt beat, he has no respect for anyone or anything and his Dad is a total pansy" So the kid started getting real mouthy with his mom and I just couldnt take it anymore. I looked at his Dad and said " Joe I dont mean to step on your toes, so I apologize but" then I turned to the kid and said " You better watch your mouth, that may be your Mom, but that is my wife you are talking to like that and I wont tolerate it, if you were my kid I would have slapped the ish out of you by now, if you ever make my wife cry again you will have to answer to me" the kid shut up real quick and was just speechless. We were able to have a productive conversation of how things were going to have to go as far as school and stuff from then on. And after all that the kid texted his Mom today and asked if he could come spend the weekend this weekend. Kids, especially boys need to be taught respect and how to be a man.
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The problems with spanking in schools is that how do you regulate that? That was easy in my house. For every swat you got in school you got twice that many when you got home. 3 swats at school = 6 more swats when you got home.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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1 swat
2 swat
Red swat
Blue swat
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
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When I was a kid and did bad I would beat myself.
Dad would stand there just shaking his head.
People gonna think I did that to you boy.
Sorry daddy.
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