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Because we had the best offer. Too bad they knew coming back they were doomed. It never ceases to amaze me, how NOBODY, and I DO MEAN NOBODY, understands why we did what we did.

ONE MORE TIME FOR ALL YOU SLOW PEOPLE OUT THERE.
The Offer was MADE on the CONDITION that MS stayed home and did not try FA. His agent talked him into it anyway.

NOW PAY ATTENTION: THIS is the part everyone ignores.
MS tested FA......DOH!!! What do you think is gonna happen????
NO CONTRACT FOR YOU. GEEESH

Exactly. The case should be closed. Once and for all.

People understand this, they just don't think that is a good tactic.

The agents!

However, long-term, it might work in our favor. In both cases, these guys (including Pryor) ended up having to take less money than what the FO offered. Agents probably took notice and now realize that the Browns aren't cheap, pay higher than market value for guys on the roster, and can give a great deal before FA starts.

And I understand that. They maybe right. But the point was WHY and nobody seemed to grasp the WHY. You know I don't agree with the way they handled MS.....BUT I understand the WHY. They wanted to keep him and made a very fair offer, what should have been done deal was not done deal. But we'll survive.

Not to mention that the offer we gave him ended up being the highest $$$ offer that he received. He was NOT low-balled, he was given what turned out to be the best deal he could/would get. His agent screwed him out of millions.

I guess my only issue was that I don't think we were in a position to make a take-it-or-leave-it deal to that kind of player...on our team...at that moment. Secondly, had we signed him, we could have used the S Coleman pick on another position of need (like a safety...any safety). FWIW, I think S Coleman is going to turn out pretty good. Just a hunch.

I bet if both sides could do it again...they'd do it differently.

"agent screwed him out of millions"....how can ANY fan/poster say FO screwed up...he took less money, why? Coaching changes, losing, didn't like Cleveland area- JMHO, we will never know for sure unless MS writes a book and tells the truth in it- he WANTED to leave Cleveland and he did- that's why free agency exists-not tied to team who chose you- he's gone....let us move on....any more cuts today? Go Browns!!!

I hate to take this thread off topic but what do you guys think of the Mitchel Schwartz deal with him signing with KC and all? I'd be interested in knowing what you guys think happened and who would be to blame for him leaving the team. Nobody ever wants to talk about this.

I'd hate to change the subject from something off topic to something else off topic. but what do you guys think about Terrelle Pryor signing with Washington? I can't believe we aren't discussing this..

In at least a VAGUELY cuts related topic, RB Glen Coffee has retired from the army and wants to play football again. 49ers cut him when he ended his retirement so he's up for grabs.

29 but lots of miles left on the tires. Nonetheless, I'd say he's training camp fodder at best.

Seriously?

Except you.

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You're like a pissant.

LOL , You have to explain that one to me ?

Back to the name calling.

J/c:

I love it when people complain about a thread going off topic when it's on page 9.

This was meant to be in purple..... Right???

No, this thread is just following it's natural cycle.

Not really but I'm grasping at straws for something to talk about here that relates to the thread.

So it's okay to be wrong, as long as you know WHY you were wrong..

lmao

Yes, that is okay. It's called life and learning from your mistakes. Not sure why that's a "lmao". Seems like a good thing to me.

I sure wish there was a way to prevent posts that contain the word Mitchel or Schwartz from being accepted.

You guys linger on worse that bad garlic.

The 2016 regular season has drawn to a close

14. Kansas City Chiefs (17)

Top overall grade: C Mitch Morse, 82.5 (No. 14)

Top pass-blocking grade: G Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, 83.9 (No. 26)

Top run-blocking grade: LT Eric Fisher, 82.8 (No. 11)

The Chiefs’ line is a unit that was good, but not great, across the board this season. There was no real weak link, but neither did anybody really dominate consistently over the entire year. C Mitch Morse was the team’s best player; he went through the season without allowing a sack, giving up just 13 total QB pressures over 628 pass-blocking snaps. Mitchell Schwartz didn’t quite live up to his last season in Cleveland, while Eric Fisher on the other side continues his marginal improvement, still exhibiting more issues than you would like as a pass blocker.
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16. Cleveland Browns (21)

Top overall grade: LT Joe Thomas, 89.1 (No. 4)

Top pass-blocking grade: LT Joe Thomas, 89.9 (No. 5)

Top run-blocking grade: LT Joe Thomas (No. 18), RG John Greco, 80.8 (No. 19)

No offensive line had to deal with as much in terms of the QBs they were blocking for than the Browns, who had rolled through six different passers in seven weeks to begin the season—none of whom demonstrated the kind of playing style that actually makes things easier on his linemen. Despite that, Joe Thomas had another excellent season at LT, and the guard pairing of Joel Bitonio and John Greco also played well. The issue on this line was Cameron Erving, the former first-round pick, playing center in his second season, having struggled massively at guard and tackle as a rookie. He was little, if any, better in the middle, surrendering 30 total QB pressures and being routinely abused as a run blocker. It’s difficult to see much of a future for Erving at this point, and his position is one in need of upgrade.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season/

wow... dodge the bullet there.. so glad our FO pulled the offer at the last second...

*Lacing up my skates, heading out on the ice, and throwing down my gloves" Oh it's on now, bring it big boy.....

Yeah, that's right, Hank Fraley.,.

Hey he did a decent job and was a pretty cool guy to boot.

Remembering LeCharles Bentley, he was a very good player who would have helped us a lot. Of all the negative things that have happened to our Browns this has to rank in the top 3 or 4 worst. It was a shame how this poor man's career had to end. Liked him a lot, top player, good person.

Yeah, that was a freak thing, then on top of that, he ends up getting a staph infection that truly ended his career.

Rotten luck, like Ernie Davis-one of main reasons there is a combine- medical checks- If Ernie had been joined with Jim Brown....WOW. Again, rotten luck. Hope our guys stay healthy....GO Browns!!!!

Yeah, that right there is the King of Rotten Luck. Ernie Davis would have been a monster. Him and Brown together, would have been unstoppable. JMO, but I bet it's shared with people my age..

“Don Rogers"

The funny part is how long it takes for some people to admit this FO has ever made a mistake.

Last year was the first time many of these guys had ever held such positions before. As such, IMO mistakes were expected. I believe that all of us are in agreement that we have every hope they learn and grow into their jobs. Learning from your mistakes is the only way to improve.

I think they've done some things very well and have made some mistakes in other places. This draft will go a very long way in showing their growth or lack there of. They're very smart people and I'm expecting a lot of positive improvement.

Here's the kind of thing I find puzzling. Let's use Zeitler as an example. I think most would agree that signing him helped bolster our OL. But is he really the best G in the NFL? I don't believe so. Yet people praise making him the highest paid G in the NFL.

Yet on one hand some fans say he's a great addition by overpaying for his services, and excuse not re-signing Schwartz because he would have been overpaid.

I'm not a complete Homer who has no ability to look at each move made independently from other moves. Some will be great and some will be mistakes. That's simply the nature of the beast any time humans are involved in any process.

The FO mistake was thinking by offering the BEST and fair contract to a player who supposedly wanted to remain with the team, said player would sign it and not refuse it. Big Mistake.

You make a number of good points.

1. IMO, it was more their new and creative approach (moneyball DePo, analytics, their take on signing/retaining players) that they had to learn from. I know sometimes it can't be avoided, but I cringe at hiring people at the highest levels of their field that have minimum experience in those roles. I understand why we did it here with the current FO, but I will always be skeptical hiring people with little experience to turn a franchise around.

2. You overpay in FA. That's just a fact. Of course he's not the best guard in the league, but he was the best available, and the demand for him was high, so you have to pay accordingly. Same thing with Krueger those years back. He wasn't the best LBer, but he was the best available (arguably). The fact that he was overpaid does not mean he sucks... it just means he's overpaid, which is the downside of FA.

You are the prime example of what I was referring to when I referred to a poster who can't admit a mistake was ever made by this FO.

I'll use my example of this FO learning from the Schwartz mistake.

This year they signed Zeitler and made him the highest paid G in the NFL. Do you believe he's the best G in then NFL?

You see, they actually learned from their mistake of not signing Schwartz and are now willing to spend the money it takes to enforce the OL. They weren't willing to sign the original offer they made to Schwartz. It hurt the team and the OL.

It taught them a lesson and they moved on from it. Maybe it's time you looked past the nose on your face and realize it too.

Some people never learn. There is no right or wrong.
Who said the FO made a mistake? You? There was no mistake, only action. If you do not agree with that fine, but that's the way it was set up, it does not mean it was a mistake. Maybe you better learn to read before answering a post. Do you wonders.

Who offered Schwartz the most money?

If the Browns offer was the the most anyone offered, were they"willing to spend the money then?
Had Schwartz not refused the offer would he have been paid the most any team was willing to pay?

If Schwartz was willing to take less to play for KC why wouldn't he take less to play for the team he "WANTED TO PLAY FOR" ?

You are the prime example of what I was referring to when I referred to a poster who can't admit a mistake was ever made by Schwartz.