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Anyone have the "trade value" points on this traded?

Mary Kay Cabot‏

#Browns now have plenty of ammo to trade for #Patriots QB Garoppolo. Have the 25th this year, 2 first-rounders next year and three 2's in 18

What do you guys think of the compensation we received from Houston vs what Buffalo received from KC?

Would have been nothing wrong with drafting 11 front 7 defensive players this year, and rolling with the same folks who got you 1-15 last year.

Trading out of 12 when, well it's basically saying that ALLL THE GEMS WHO WERE STILL LEFT ON THE BOARD, were junk, and ALLL THE JUNK that teams have given you by wasting picks on them,
Corey Davis, Fourtnette, John Ross, Lattimore, Trubisky and Mahommes, who you may not have even wanted,

All that junk were the only players you could see taking, and now since they're gone, you got to trade down, becaouse ... "nobody's left worth taking" (which is, astronomically insanely the opposite of correct).

The purpose of being a front office is to take a gamble on players, which may or may not ever amount to anything.

Is this doing their job? No it's not.

Next years picks won't score 1 point in the 16-17 season, or Stop 1 point from being scored against you.

Did they get anything in the next 3 days for passing up almost everybody?

Why would he not fit in the AFC North?

Re: value vs KC trade

Depends on where they end up.

Will Sashi! be with the Brown's next year for the downgrade 12th pick? to the bottom of the draft round.
Really a trade with the Texan's
maybe he's getting aw job with them.

Don't think it can't happen. And I called it before Mary Kay cosmetic!
Lol, seriously no matter what we do, I'm glad we got Garrett.

This trade just turned my guts into boiling mush! TO thin we could have had the best defensive line in all football for the next decade just makes me go crazy. We turn a top 15 pick into two low first round picks ... just makes me sick...

Buffalo traded 10 for 27, a 3rd this year, and a 1 next year. We traded 12 for 25 and a 1st next year. I think they are pretty even. Buffalo dropped 4 more spots and get a 3rd for it.

Just have to say this:

If we pick a good player, the trade looks great. We won't know the result of how good that player is until games start.

Even if the Texans play well and draft 25th again next year, based on the value chart, we'll be ahead.

720(25) + 720(25) = 1440
1200(12)

I think the Texans will be worse with a Rookie QB though.

I wonder if they want to trade down because they're targetting one of the top offensive tackles? The goal of free agency seems to have been to build the Oline. Maybe they get a Right Tackle?

He can't be worse than Osweiler was last year.

He went to a great spot ... he won't be asked to do much and i think O'Brien will utilize him correctly ...

Houston has a great D that will improve with JJ Watt returning .. on O they have Hop and Miller at RB ...

He won't be asked to do much ...

ALSO ... i don't see how he could possibly be worse than BO was last year ... he was BEYOND HORRIBLE ...

He will have to run a very, very complex offense, with complex reads.

That's a big piece of the difference between Brock in Denver and Brock in Houston was.

Personally, I would have gone for a defensive player on the board. But for a first next year and Peppers, well it may turn out ok.

I think he can thrive in Gregg Williams' defense and I hope he proves his neigh sayers wrong. I want him to be successful. He's now a Brown and until proven otherwise I support it. I am REALLY glad we didn't overreach on Trubisky, Mahomes or Watson (or at 29: Kizer).

I love the trade. Stars can be found anywhere in the first round. More picks is better and we still got our blue chip at #1.

The only thing that spurs it is Watt going to the Steelers. It seems like Pitt takes my guy every year.

hopefully he fits Williams' scheme ... it seems he might. He's pretty versatile. It does sting to leave all of that talent though.

I just can't stomach that we passed on Allen being right next to Garrett. It's depressing how bad the decisions they make outside of the obvious.

Honestly makes no sense at all, passing on Malik or OJ...

This trade thing is starting bo be a fetish, they should seek some help urgently

Yeah, that worked out so well for us last year didn't it?

Yeah adding insult to injury. We have BO and his bloated contract to be beyond horrible here now.

realistically, Houston's pick should be what? probably between 20 and 25

It's all about a QB next year. That was the plan. We now have two 1st round picks and 3 2nd rounders.

Go Browns

Garrett, Peppers, and Njoku....great 1st round.

We won the first round. End of story.

Even the Ravens passed on him. Something was up, so we passed. There are still other DT's available.

If we use the pick in a package next year for JG or Cousins then it was a GREAT TRADE IMO ... cause then we gave up the 12 for Peppers and part of the JG package ...

If not, .. WOW ...

With Watson at QB? That's optimistic. I would say 10-15 more likely.

Proclamations of failure or instant success are futile.

I wouldn't have made the trade because I would have taken Hooker or Allen. . . . I also would have taken Rueben, like many - and he fell to the end of the round.

OJ Howard - I'm more than happy with Njoku. In fact I am thrilled and think we got a serious difference maker.

Hooker versus Peppers and a 2018 #1 ??? I think anyone claiming that is an awful trade at this stage is being extremely judgmental and closed minded.

I think if the Browns had traded Joe Thomas or given up a large package of picks to go get Mahomes, there would have been a lot more people saying the FO is incompetent and more upset than they are now. ... I think as many would have been unhappy if we took Watson at #12.

That defense alone probably carries them to 6-7 wins by itself. Assuming your QB isn't terrible.

not to mention, the division is weak (they won it last yr with Osweiller)

So here's hoping Tom Savage is so terrible they switch to Watson who isn't ready yet and therefore is also terrible. They got 4-12 and we get a Top 5 pick.

I'm starting to wonder if there is some stigma associated with Alabama trench players.

or a die hard Buckeye fan

That Saban uses the crap out of them and they waste a lot of mileage

I like the trade.
DE, S, TE & a 1ST round next year.

I said I wanted Hooker, Howard or trade up for Adams.
Not sure there is much separation between Peppers and Hooker or Howard and Njoku.

Obviously, no one knows how it will shake out, but looks good to me.