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I like Mitch ... not a fan of our trade ... lets see how it works out ...

Sometimes dumb moves end up being BRILLIANT!!

Problem is ... if another gift horse or two fall to us ... will we take advantage this time ... thats the question ...

the trade down to 25 starts to make sense if you can say, the player we end up with is >>> greater than, or === equal too, the players we left on the board.

But since the consensous is we left to 5 level talent, and top 10 level talent on the board, it doesn't make sense.

"" Remember when somebody said, it's not that we shoot ourselves in the foot every now and then, it's that we unload the clip, re-load and shoot the other foot""

This kind of move is what they were talking about!

I am trying to understand this trade. We had a 12 that had top 10 talent available. We gave tha up for a 25 this year and isn't Houston supposed to be pretty good next year, so probably a25 or so next year. All to go after a qb next year who may not come out and who may not be reachable by us. This one just makes no sense to me. I would have rather had the elite defensive talent at 12.

All I know is we passed on Allen and Garrett being on the same D-line together. This trade is totally terrible. I mean for a pair of bottom dwelling first rounders? Just horrible!

I think the FO played this just right. Having 2 1st rounders and 3 2nd rounders in next years draft sets the table for the team to do whatever they want to next year. You IMO have to look at every angle. I hate kicking the can so to speak but a lot of the time thats the best move to make. At this point the Browns FO has done well. No beefs with the draft so far. If you can't get a QB that you believe in then the next best move is to stock pile picks so you can take a shot next year, thats what they did.

Houstons QB is Tom Savage.

The Browns over arching strategy is straight forward. They want to have as many picks in the top 64 as possible every year.

I also wonder if the trade down was a continuation of the Osweiler deal?

You know, when I heard about our trade, it staggered me. Taking Garrett - great. Chicago being spooked into moving up for Trub - great. It meant we couldn't sell the farm to move up for him.

Imagine, sitting at 12, Garrett already on board, and having your choice of Hooker and Allen. And Howard. Who would have thought? And then, we drop 13 spots. Don't get me started on what we did with that pick. Another safety who can't cover.

Anyway, I was wondering if this was not part of the Brock O trade. A clause that if Watson was sitting there at 12 then we had to swap w Texans for their first next year. That sorta makes sense to me why we did it.

Great day to be a Brownie. Go Browns!

Nobody...NOBODY in the NFL...Drafts like this. Whatever

What is wrong with everybody here? I hear the bitching about not taking SS Hooker but we took a Safety with our 25th pick. Who's to say that Hooker is going to be a better player than Peppers? Scouting reports say Hooker needs to learn how to tackle - Peppers over the top defense. Who will be better? Bottom line we got a safety - just what you're asking for.

What about OJ Howard - we need a tight end! Dang man, we drafted a tight end! I get it, he's not Howard but again, who's to say Howard is going to be better than Njoku? What do you have that tells you that Howard is a guaranteed success pick and Njoku is not?

IMHO, the Browns were planned to have 4 picks in the top 64 - they still have 4 picks in the top 64 and they added a first rounder for next year. Varying opinions on what the Browns should draft but 1) they didn't reach for a QB from this class that has been rated as second round talent - excellent decision. 2) The Browns addressed 3 key need areas - pass rush, a hitting safety that is a beast in run support for a team with a run defense in the 30's for the last 3 years. 3) They got a TE with great receiving skills to eventually replace but for now share time with an oft injured to season starting 32 year old TE that's going down hill.

Hmmm, what's not to like - they addressed positions with each pick that numerous posters on this site have been screaming for - just a different name than what you wanted. Maybe these guys will turn out to be busts but your guys have just as much chance to bust.

I am f__ing elated that the Browns did not reach for a QB. Smartest thing this team has done in 20 years. Now today in the 2nd and 3rd round at #52 the Browns need to continue to build the defense taking S Maye Florida a mean hitter that would compliment Peppers or CB Douglas from West Virginia. At #65, I think they look for that additional play maker and draft WR Samuel from Ohio State depending on what they know about Gordon. Look, the Browns are building the defense and getting weapons on offense - stay the course.

IMHO, if the Browns do this they will have drafted 5 plug and play Day 1 starters in the first 3 rounds which after coming off a 1-15 season is an A+ combined with their FA acquisitions. Great job FO - GREAT JOB!

Man, I'd hate to be a Chicago fan. That trade was... baffling. And they gave up quite of bit.

I was thankful when they took Mitch though because I knew we wouldn't be making any dumb moves to try to acquire him. They may have saved us for ourselves haha.

Yeah, my cousin is a diehard Bear fan ... not happy about it

I didn't like the trade down either...But, for all this talk about us LEAVING TOP 5 - 10 Talent on the board, this is NOT TRUE. Did you happen to notice how FAR they all fell? It's not like Teams were trading up to scoop them all up. At least try to be real.

Injuries had to be a huge issue with Hooker and Allen. And the TE strength of the draft was Howard's issue IMO

I think KC gave up a lot too (17 spots) for Mahomes. He will sit this year but, will one year make him worth the #10? Maybe Andy has air raid on his mind?

OK, I get you reasoning, but please try to understand that if you think this years draft is much better than next years draft, it makes sense to trade next years draft pick for this years....


Nobody has any doubt that this year draft was loaded with top 10-20 talent while next year the draft class is going to be weaker.

By default I hate trades. I know the Browns FO is on the stupid side, and like most of the stupid people they think they are realy outsmarting others, but when all is said and done, we look a the trades and its a disaster.

This FO is no different, just look at last years draft, IMHO Colemon trade is a disaster

And you might be right. I don't know anything about next years draft.

But we didn't trade just for a future pick. We did get 25, too. if we had a bunch of players with similar grades on our board from 12-25 it makes a lot of sense. This way we get two players instead of one, and we have plenty of holes for players to fill.

The FO has said that they think future picks are undervalued by teams (At least I think this has been said by the FO, it has been written about for sure) They also may have thought that Jabril was undervalued by other teams. Would you have been happier if they had taken him at 12 and not gotten the future first?

Next year's QB class is deeper. It's filled with 6'4" 225+ pound, big armed guys...and also Browning who's about Trubisky's size...
I can't speak to the rest of the depth really.

The Seahawks have one first round pick since 2013.

let's assume no trades. would you rather:

A - Garrett, Hooker, #33
B - Garrett, Peppers, Njoku, Houston's 2018 #1

Easy. A. Substitute Howard or Allen for Hooker and it's still A.

I'm taking B and I didn't love the Peppers pick.

What the browns are doing makes sense. Most NFL teams build with their 1st and 2nd round picks, with the lesser picks sprinkled in.

The Browns have almost nothing left from before 2015. (Crowell, Bitonio, Kirksey, Thomas, and Haden, players we drafted, off the top of my head) Those 5 players provided a decent foundation on which to build. We added Shelton and Kirksey as quality starters in 2015, along with some guys who might be useful in Erving, Cooper, Duke, Telfer, and Campbell.

Anyway, those guys from prior drafts give us 7 quality starters. We added a ton of guys last year. Coleman showed real flash in his 1st game, but got hurt and really leveled off after returning. Ogbah looks like the real deal, and should be even better with Garrett across the line from him. Nassib could also benefit greatly from Ogbah and Garrett on the outside. We drafted a ton of guys last year, and we'll have to see if we develop any of them successfully. I am going to assume that Williams has a plan for Peppers, and Njoku looks like a excellent addition. We also have our 2 nd rounder at 52. (IIRC)

That could give us 11 to 13 high end starters. We then have 5 picks in the top 2 rounds next year.

If we find the QB, we could quickly go from bad, to fair, to very good in a hurry.

I have a feeling that we are going to play the waiting game for a QB. Maybe we wait and see what happens with Garoppolo or Cousins. If the Skins don't resign him this year, he will become a UFA next year. Could be interesting.

agreed ytown. nice post. we are about getting high ceiling/athletic guys ... and getting as many poker chips as possible.

I love the fact that all of our 3 picks are VERY athletic. Our team speed, athleticism, and strength improved last night

Yeah Hue's replacement will be over the moon about it.

If that's even remotely true heads should roll in the FO.

I forgot to mention that we also added a great Guard in free agent, and a solid Center. That closes 2 more holes.

It sounds like the Bears got duped:



https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/857994130596679680

I think drafting Trub gives Fox and co at least 2 seasons more in Chicago. I think the Jets did well in nabbing Adams - I was hoping we would somehow get him.

Others have commented on here - Lynch and Shanny are lighting it up in San Fran. Good luck to them.

And if Trubisky becomes a stud, the trade narrative changes to Ryan Pace didn't want to chance it w/ all the rumors and took the QB he thought could be great. He didn't play it cute or risk it. He took his guy. He got his franchise QB. I don't get this it's a good/bad trade, even just for one spot and the most important position in all of sports.

Calling it out as such now, is well, dumb ironically enough.

You pays your money.....

EDIT: Just for avoidance of doubt, I didn't say it was dumb or otherwise I just feel the Chicago ownership would feel allowing at least 2 seasons for the QB to mature would be sensible and that means the regime that drafted him too, for my money, otherwise it's tear and share when they fire everyone. Nothing more or less. I like Trubisky as a QB.

The Browns make this over and over. Trade up just not to look stupid and pick somebody no one else wants. I think it's what the Bears have done.

Viewing it like that sort of takes the bite out of the trade down ... but you still have to consider:

- We could of still done the trade up to get Njoku had we picked Hooker or Allen, so now the difference is really only Houston's 2018 #1.

- With Houston's defense, they're likely still going to pick in the last third of the draft next year.

- So it's really going to boil down to how well Peppers does. If he turns into Troy Polamalu 2.0, then we'll look like geniuses. If Hooker or Allen turn into perennial Pro Bowlers instead, then this will look like a dumb trade.

I believe a lot of what people are basing this on is that there has not been one report of any other team contacting San Fran about moving up. Now I don't know if that's true, but if it is, it's dumb to pay a fortune to move up for a player you could have taken with your next pick without paying anything extra.

I wanted Adams badly as well....wish he would have lasted to twelve somehow.

This just keeps looking worse and worse for Chicago:



https://twitter.com/SeifertESPN/status/858012438117142528

Wow...