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The trade back up had two purposes.. 1.) To lock in Njoko into a 5th year option and 2.) Make sure they got him before the Steelers could pick him.
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There were a few reports that the browns were pissed when Mahomes was picks, I think he was their plan at 12, i still think they should have stayed put and just picked either hooker or howard. I like Jabril, but i think he could have been there at 33
Obviously they had specific QBs in mind and Deshaun Watson was not one of them. I think the conversation around Watson for us was really brief, I don't think he was ever the option.. I think realistically they knew they couldn't get MG and Trub..I think it was Mahomes all along..he was seen as the most upside, and they knew that none of them helped them day one anyways..I'm glad they didn't reach
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Jackson admitted that the Browns tried to land their man on Thursday. He wasn't specific, but it's no secret they liked Trubisky and hoped they could draft him either at 12 or by trading up. They also liked Mahomes but the Chiefs jumped their route.
"We didn't know who would be the first quarterback off,'' said Brown. "We didn't know if the quarterbacks might fall out of the top 10 and maybe there at 12.''
Another Browns lesson learned the hard way...it never stops. Last year, the Browns had Jared Goff as their top QB and didn't believe Wentz would be a top 20 QB in the NFL.
The misjudgments concerning the QB position must stop. I don't know who the best judge of QB talent is, but the Browns need to find someone who can judge QB talent just to help find a franchise QB via the draft.
I'm not calling for anyone to be fired...just hire the best you can find to help our front office out. This i agree with, They need a real Football guy in the FO that has experience evaluating talent...let him work WITH the analytical duo and find talent that checks the boxes. There is a thing as too smart when it comes to picking football players
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They need a real Football guy in the FO that has experience evaluating talent...let him work WITH the analytical duo and find talent that checks the boxes. They have one. His name is Andrew Berry.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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You don't fool anyone here. If they thought a QB was better than Garrett, he would have been the selection. Was there a QB you thought should have been taken over him? Or a QB we should have traded up for with the 12th selection? Was Watson worthy of the 12th? IMO, no he wasn't. One thing i believe, if MG wasn't in this draft, we 100% would have taken Trub at 1, I think they still might have wanted to but would have went against everything every expert evaluator said. The consensus #1 was MG, after that it was a crapshoot as we all saw..If there wasn't a consensus #1, MT would be a brown right now
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No, I don't think they wanted any of the QB's that went yesterday. So? You don't pass on solidifying other defensive and offensive positions and trade down. Then turn right around and trade back up into the first rd. Idiotic way of drafting IMO. But whatever. I'm not sure if what they did was the right move, but I think you're oversimplifying it. It's based upon how much you value the players who are available. If you're sitting at 12 and you weigh the value of the players currently available at 12 against the value of the players projected to be available at 25 along with a 2018 first round pick, it can make sense. Similarly, if you're sitting there at 33, and you notice a player who made it down to 29 and it's worth trading 33 and 108 to get that player - in terms of value - that can also make sense, especially given the addition of a fifth year option. Now, that all being said, I don't know yet if the Browns placed correct value in this draft. Time will tell. Speculatively, I think they got the first and third picks right, but not the Peppers pick. Hope I'm wrong on that part of it.
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They need a real Football guy in the FO that has experience evaluating talent...let him work WITH the analytical duo and find talent that checks the boxes. They have one. His name is Andrew Berry. lol..yeah ok...sorry i should have bold/underline REAL.. He's 28...not alot of experience. I'd be fine with him being groomed by someone more seasoned.
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He's had 8 years evaluating. I think that's rather significant. BUt that's just me.
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No mac not out maneuvered at all.
They said prior to the draft we will not make a desperate move for QB. They made it clear they would not reach and give up additional draft picks for QBs in this draft. It worked out just fine. I get the reluctance to pick any injured prospects in the first round. I too was wow Allen and Garret on the DL???
But evidently we were targeting Peppers...and got good value for him.
How is this draft a negative? Again we got 2 of the 3 players nominated as Collegiate Defensive players of the year.
And its not over yet.
We also added another 1st round pick next year...how does still spell to you that we got out maneuvered???
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With this thread now up to 10 pages and day two of the 2017 draft starting in the few hours, if the board moderators agree, this might be a good point to close this thread.
I opened a continuation of this thread so I could post a Fansided article titled, Rumors: Browns still looking to trade for a veteran QB
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