DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season 2017 NFL Draft Who would you have picked?

1.) Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
12.) Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
33.) Marcus Williams, FS, Utah
52.) DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame
65.) cord Tankersley (or Lewis, Sutton, Moreau... hated this pick)
108.) Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami
145.) Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (hard to leave Corn Elder on the board)
160.) Rod Johnson, OT, FSU (will take this trade all day long)
181.) Vincent Taylor, DT, OK State (tremendous value, no character issues)
185.) Elijah McGuire, RB, ULL
188.) Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
223.) Amba Etta-Tawo, WR, Syracuse

the trade back from 12 will define this draft. I'm so torn on it. Based on your selections, you'd rather:
Garrett, Allen, Williams


as opposed to:
Garrett, Peppers, Njoku, 2018 1st Round Pick


tough call for me. I did like the thought of Garrett/Allen together

Clevesteve for GM! I might have gone Hooker / Malik McDowell at 12 & 33, but the chance to team up Garrett and Allen would be hard to resist. Can't really comment on late round picks, because I haven't watched any of those guys, but I like your picks through 145.

I thought we traded 181 and 188 for 160 and 224 yet you have both sets of picks in your draft. We also traded picks 145 and 175 for 126 and 252 but you only have 145 listed.

I don't want to harp on it too much, But I think the difference in who I would have picked has to include that I'd prefer continuity.

I can get caught up in the moment and emotional, like anybody, and going back I can see a point of view for what they did.

I just think the biggest mistake, because it will stop the advantage in matchups they could have had, is not trying to finagle one more year out of Gary Barnidge being on the team.

And I won't believe anyone who trys to tell me that Seth DeValve, or Randall Telfer, showed anything remotely looking like they were ready to absorb his contributions in his role.
Because it was demonstrated again, and again, that they weren't. Now, they can improve But that has to happen.

B. (and I also want to say this reminds me of the Browns 2012 draft, which looked good at first and who knows)

3. Start again: Wait! are you kidding! I would have picked Watson at 1 and Watson again at 12 if I wasn't able to at 1.

4. And If I weren't allowed to pick Watson at 1 or 12, or Mahomes if he was still availbale at 12, in another parallel universe, I would have jumped at a 2nd topp defensive talent at #12.

5 And If I weren't allowed to do any of that, I still wouldn't have picked Trubisky, probably at all, but maybe the QB from Miami, before him, and then settle for Trubisky, after Watson, others, then maybe Webb, Trubisky, and Kaaya, start to look similar, and I probably like Trubisky the least.

* when I was 3, and we fought, sibling and I were forced to put all the matchbox cars into a pile, and select alternately the ones we'd play with that individual day. So every time we'd pick, sometimes you'd reach, sometimes you'd get value, sometimes you'd feel you missed out. But there wasn't ever "one" right answer, and you had to hide your intentions. *

#1 - Myles Garrett DE - Great pick applaud the FO for not over thinking it or reaching for a QB.

#12 - Loved the trade. Always a good thing to stay in the first round and get another first for the next year.

#25 - Jabrill Peppers SS - The defense needed an infusion of speed and athleticism. Peppers is an all around football player. Great pick.

#29 - I did not mind the player but did not like the trade. Would have stayed at #33.

#33 - Budda Baker FS - Would have continued to add speed to the secondary and would have added a centerfielder to the secondary.

#52 - DeShone Kizer QB - Before the draft I wanted to trade for Jimmy G or take Mitchell Trubisky at #12. Since those 2 things did not work out Kizer was very good value here.

#65 - Jourdan Lewis CB - A very good man on man CB to add to the secondary.

#108 - Jaleel Johnson DT - A big body to compete on the inside of the Dline.

#126 - Did not like the trade up at that spot and would not have made the trade.

#145 - Jake Butt TE - Good hands, good route runner, and solid blocker at TE.

Would not have made any of the other trades and stayed out.

#175 - Caleb Brantley DE - Great value at a DE here.

#181 - Bucky Hodges TE - Would have doubled down on the position here.

#185 - Conor McDermitt T - Always should draft at least one OLineman every year.

#188 - Zane Gonzalez K - Liked the pick and would have drafted him here.

I just went with your pick numbers to keep it simple.

1.) Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
12.) Allen's injury risk sounded scary on draft day. So Hooker, S, OSU.
33.) Kevin King, CB, Washington
52.) Obi Melifonwu, S, Connecticut
65.) Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington
108.) Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa
145.) Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
160.) Rod Johnson, OT, FSU (Bulldozer in the run game, huge value)
181.) Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP
185.) Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
188.) Sam Rogers , FB, Virginia Tech
223.) Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (He wouldn't last much longer)

You can see I focused on DB's. And my DB's have size, speed and versatility.

I think Kupp picks up right where Pryor left off.

There's not a guy on my list that I doubt becoming at least a part-time starter.

Garrett was absolutely the right pick at 1.

A little shocked at what the Bears did trading up to 2 and taking Trubisky. I read that they didn't even work him out or attend his pro day. That's truly amazing. There are rumors that Fox didn't even know this was going to happen going into draft day. That better work out or Ryan Pace will never be a GM ever again.

I would have taken a guy at 12. I'm not angry at what we did, because we did get a first round pick in a QB-heavy 2018 draft. I just really thought there were 3 or 4 really good players there.

Like the Kizer pick in the second round a lot. The fact that you netted 3 first round players this year, kind of allowed you a chance at this kid working out. Between Kizer and Kessler, I think if Kizer doesn't morph into the next big thing, you have a backup going forward. Next year would become very clear that you need to put all your assets on the table and go get your franchise guy. Kizer is so young though. I really hope Hue can earn a few years to stick around, and a guy like Kizer can blossom under one coach, and one coordinator and really develop. That's my hope.

I think we did a good job, but as usual, drafting grades a few days after is silly. I still don't know exactly what we have with the 2016 group.

As someone who watches a lot of college ball, I really like our guys though.

I'm sorry Steve I know threads like this may be fun for some.

But the fact is if you didn't pick who the Browns did then it makes you look like you have no idea about picking picks,,,what the team needs are and just how much time and studying did you put into the draft like the true professionals and coaches did.

You may have you beliefs in what the team needs or wants are...but as a fan you have no clue but your own opinion. Your not in the meetings and trying to put together a scheme that you will coach. the players you have looked at for months to fit that scheme.

We can all wish and hope for a player we want to be drafted... but most have no idea what the inside wants...just likw watching this draft...half of these coo koo announcers that they had it pegged and they were as off as a board full of fans.

The Browns took who they wanted ...they will try out for the team and we will as fans see who stays and goes.

1A) Myles Garrett
1B) Peppers + Houstons 2018 1st
2A) budda Baker
2B) [censored] tabor

But does it?

GM: "would you rather have the pass rusher or the run stuffer?"

Coach: "the pass rusher"

Goodell: "with the 13th pick, the Cleveland browns select Kameiron Wimbley, linebacker, Florida state"

that's a bad memory

I wouldn't change too much. I can see how the players they took should fit, and why they may have passed on players I liked at 12. I feel like the players additionally were good values where we picked them.

I would have liked a FS, but I think they thought Williams could make it to 52. When he didn't, a franchise QB shot made sense when the guy had been projected as a potential top pick before the season started and he has tools that fit the division and Hue's penchant for deep shots.

I might not have picked Brantley due to his off the field or Dayes, but Brantley has more talent than most 6th rounders if he avoids legal trouble and Dayes was the second to last pick of the draft. I'd rather have used the pick on David Jones, but he'd have pretty much been a flier.

We'll have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds next year to address FS.

Without trades

1a (1) DE Garrett
1b (12) FS Hooker
2a (33) RB Cook
2b (52) QB Kizer
3 (65) CB Moreau
4 (108) WR Westbrook
5a (145) TE Butt
5b (175) SS Gerry
5c (181) DT Qualls
6a (185) DT Brantley
6b (188) K Gonzalez

Using the same picks as you

1.) Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
12.) Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama
33.) Malik McDowell, 3TDT, Michigan State
52.) Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
65.) Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
108.) Rayshawn Jenkins FS, Miami
145.) George Kittle, TE, Iowa
160.) Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
181.) Aaron Jones, RB, Texas-El Paso
185.) Xavier Woods, SS, Louisiana Tech
188.) Robert Davis, WR, Georgia State
223.) Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State

It's hard to do this after the fact. One pick changes another.



I would have liked OJ Howard. HOF player there IMO if I had to project HOF players from this class.

Obliviously I have the best draft on the board, but if I revise it to get Myles Garrett at #223 do I win?

No joke at all ... I wish you were the GM.

What we did at 12 was so disappointing. I'm actually a bit crushed by it. It was making a trade for trade's sake. The whole reason you traded with Philly is because you didn't believe they could be successful last year, and you were right ... you ended up with pick 12. Could have had Allen, Howard, or Hooker there. Two picks in the top 12. Two immediate game changing stud players. What could have been ... super disappointed.

thats what if's and that's what we discuss

Nice thread, steve. It's a message board and it's cool to discuss things. Don't allow the haters to get you down.

I am having a hard time responding to this thread because my anal self knows that the moves I would make for the Browns [especially at 12] would really change what other teams would do and ultimately who would be available later. I'll try, but it's bugging me. LOL

Oh, and I will just use the picks you listed. That is another thing that is throwing me out of whack. I yi yi yi

1.) Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M [No doubt]

12.) Malik Hooker, FS, OSU [My #2 player in the draft]

33.) Kevin King, CB, Washington [Long Corner]

52.) Obi Melifonwu, SS, UConn.....I went back and forth between him and Ryan Anderson, who is extremely underrated. [Safeties are taken care of]

65.) Taywan Taylor, WR, W. Kentucky [Going to stud out in NFL, good speed, adjusts to ball in the air, turns head and doesn't lose speed. Quick, YAC]

145.) Damontae Kazee, CB, SD St [Great ball skills. 43 pass breakups and 16 picks in last 3 years.]

160.) Nathan Peterman, QB, Pitt [Probably the most pro-ready qb in the draft........mentally speaking.]

181.) Bucky Hodges, TE, VaTech [Raw as can be, but will be a match-up nightmare in the red zone and against Cover 2.

185.) Jordan Evans, LB, Oklahoma [Will be a Special Teams freak and good in passing situations]

188.) Tanzel Smart, DT, Tulane [Extremely quick 3-Tech guy who causes disruption in both the run and pass game. Quality rotation guy]

223.) Zane Gonzalez, K, AZ State [The Browns are geniuses...LOL]

Our first 4 picks are identical.

I always said you were a smart guy.

The telemarketer I was just talking to on the phone said the same thing as I was giving him my credit card number.

Nice.

I really like Kazee and Jordan Evans. I don't like Hodges at al and not a big fan of Taylor. I would have really liked that draft, too.

Thanks steve.

Re-draft no trades;

1-1) Myles Garrett, DE
1-12) Malik Hooker, FS
2-33) Kevin King, CB
2-52) Obi Melifonwu, SS
3-65) Alvin Kamara, RB
4-108) Dede Westbrook, WR
5-145) Nathan Peterman, QB
5-175) Adam Bisnowaty, OT
5-181) Tanzel Smart, DT
6-185) Bucky Hodges, TE
6-188) Zane Gonzalez, K

I went through this yesterday but didn't post because I couldn't get past #65.

On my list the only differences from the above were: Davin Cook at 33 - BPA even if not a need. And I stuck with Kizer at 52. 1, 12, 65 were the same.

Tab to answer your earlier question, yes I think Myrick would make the team. I wasn't throwing darts.

Following the 2015 season:

I thought the same thing. It will be interesting to see how Allen's shoulders hold up.

I do think this was the case, just not sure if he was THE guy they were targeting at #25. I'm sure there were a few people they liked and graded the same or else they wouldn't have gambled on the trade. They assumed one guy would be there. However, the coaches seemed ecstatic to have him in the building. There is a video of him at Berea and was welcomed with open arms.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...f4-a458978e97e6

Yeah, I think the FO thought that he could slip to the 2nd rd. Otherwise I don't make that trade. Unless they were targeting the TE and were happy to take Peppers first and then trade back up for the TE. I don't know.

I have to agree with you. I just don't see them getting THAT excited for a pick they didn't have targeted.

If passing on top 15 talent and getting picks later is so greeeeat! Why doesn't it ever work out greeeeat!

Because we suck at picking players.

Correction.

We sucked at picking players.