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Right... because the senior bowl week has been such a great pipeline for us in the past.

Please Watch his game vs. Louisville on DraftBreakdown and tell me if you see an NFL player. THey drafted him because he had a great SPArQ. Same as several other guys they drafted last year and this year. Most clear case is DeValve.

Well I dont wanna linger on Larry in Calebs thread but I will say this quickly. If I wanted to limit my opinion of ANY NFL player by judging one random game from their college careers then I think you could write off ALL players for the game they didnt play well in and I mean EVERY player. Are you suggesting JJ Watt never had games he didnt do well in? Tom Brady? Rogers? Favre? I think you understand what I am saying.

I would rather see them on the field in a Browns uniform before I get all into labeling the guy is my point. BTW I lived in Fredericksburg for some time been to your neck of the woods plenty love the Hill country and surrounding areas.

Browns' Caleb Brantley not yet formally charged with misdemeanor battery

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/05/browns_caleb_brantley_not_yet.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Caleb Brantley, the Browns' controversial sixth-round pick out of Florida, has not yet been formally charged with misdemeanor battery, a spokesman in the State Attorney's Office in Gainesville, Fla. told cleveland.com Wednesday.

The case is under review by the State Attorney's office, which will make a decision whether or not to charge him.

"He has not been charged,'' said Darry Lloyd, spokesman for the State Attorney said. "A sworn complaint was received from (the Gainesville police) alleging that he committed the (crime). The agency is not sure, and it's our job to review the information they submitted and make a formal charging decision.''

He added, "had they physically arrested him, he would've been charged.''

Lloyd said there's no time frame for a decision but that such matters typically take about 45 days. He acknowledged that "this case is receiving a lot of attention'' because of Brantley's high profile.

It's not yet known if the decision will be made by next Thursday, when Brantley is due to report for rookie minicamp.

Regardless, Browns head of football operations Sashi Brown said "we expect to have him up with the rest of the class." The Browns are investigating the matter on their own.

Lloyd said the prosecutor will likely interview the parties involved, witnesses and law enforcement at the scene.

The original police report described Brantley as the victim in the incident outside a Gainesville bar on April 13. But the sworn affidavit filed four days later stated that Brantley punched Florida student Chelsea Austin in the face with a closed fist, knocking her unconscious and displacing a tooth that will require a root canal.

The document states that Brantley's alleged actions were "clearly out of retaliation and not self-defense" and "far exceeded what was reasonable or necessary."

Brantley's attorneys, however, issued a press release detailing the incident, claiming that "Mr. Brantley was not the aggressor. Mr. Brantley was the victim.''

They stated that several ladies were verbally abusing Brantley after he rebuffed one that he had previously had a relationship with, and "one of them punched him in the mouth without warning."

"Mr. Brantley, in reaction to that sudden occurrence, put out his right arm in an attempt to push away his attacker. His hand made contact with her face due to his reflex reaction.''

The Tampa Bay Times obtained a video which it states is of the complainant and two of her friends leaving the scene after the incident. One of them can be heard on the video saying to Brantley's friends, "thank you guys, I'm sorry.'' There's no known video of the alleged punch.

Brantley's attorneys pointed out in their statement that "the young lady did not seek medical treatment at the scene."

Austin's attorneys, North Florida Lawyers, released a statement to the Tampa Bay Times, stating that "Ms. Chelsea Austin was and is the victim of this incident. The initial police report indicated that she struck Mr. Brantley, but that is simply not true."

Her attorneys initially stated that the original police report, which described Brantley as the victim, was falsified. One of the attorneys, Michael Williams, later clarified to the Tampa Bay Times that they never accused the Gainesville police of falsifying it.

"Mr. Brantley stands 6'3", is approximately 300 pounds, and played defensive tackle at the collegiate level,'' Austin's attorneys wrote. "The victim, Ms. Austin, is 5'5" and less than 130 pounds. Mr. Brantley punched her in the face hard enough to knock her to the ground in front of several witnesses. Ms. Austin suffered injuries as a result and is undergoing extensive medical treatment.''

If charged, Brantley faces up to one year in jail or 12 months' probation, and up to a $1,000 fine.

The Browns have come under heavy fire for drafting a player who may have hit a woman only two weeks ago, but they were willing to take the chance that he might be innocent.

"We communicated to Caleb how serious of a matter this is to us,'' Brown said Saturday. "This is something that he can't repeat as he moves forward. More importantly than that, we communicated to Caleb that this is still something that we are investigating and looking into and that facts may turn up that prevent us for being able to keep him on our roster.

"We did feel like at this point in the draft and what we knew so far ... this was an OK point in the draft to take him."

Brown stressed that Brantley might not remain with the team even if he's innocent in this case.

"There are some circumstances where he may not be convicted (and he doesn't remain with the team),'' said Brown. "It's not contingent upon that. We may not be able to be comfortable with it."

Several league sources have told cleveland.com that Brantley was a character concern even before this incident.

The tumble from the second round, where most experts had him going, to the sixth round, cost him millions. A second-round pick averages about $4.8 million, including about $1.5 million guaranteed. A sixth-round picks averages about $2.5 million, with about $150,000 guaranteed.

BUT I hear he pulled a girls pigtails when he was in kindergarten He should rot in hell along with anybody who even speaks his name or looks at him damnit.

Thanks for the info. I thought he had been charged. Glad to get that cleared up.

After reading that (and still being without all the facts), I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is nothing and it's going to go away.

There is no video of the hit, but there is video of the defendant apologizing to his friends, he has the original police report in his favor, there was no arrest, the only thing pending is with the State on an affidavit that has not much to back it up other than a sworn statement, and the defendant's lawyer is saying things to the media and then changing their story. They're ambulance chasers. They're trying to play the court of public opinion and cash in on him. Period.


Dear Caleb,
Welcome to the NFL.... clean up your act and who you surround yourself with as this is what you can expect on a regular basis these days. You are a target; be aware.

j/c

If I'm ever accused of something there are quite a few people on this board I don't want on my jury. So many are ready to write someone off based on an allegation. I mean in reality most of what is out there on this really seems to point to it being a bunch of bs. There could be a smoking gun out there about this but its not really looking that way. I'll reserve judgement on Brantley until the facts are all out there. JMO

It appears that most posters feel the same way you do about the case. Not sure why you're upset?

Perhaps most do but there are quite a few (at least earlier in this threads life) that were basically putting him guilty as sin before really even knowing all of the information. I'm just saying everyone is so quick to judge someone guilty.

Not sure where you are getting that I'm upset, just making an observation. I mean even going through the earlier thread on Conley as well, kind of the same thing going on there.

FYI - It was a friend apologizing, not the defendant:

"...video which it states is of the complainant and two of her friends leaving the scene after the incident. One of them can be heard on the video saying to Brantley's friends, "thank you guys, I'm sorry.''

There's still a lot we don't know. He did have a prior relationship with her. I'm going to wait until the case is resolved before jumping on board with the guy. I have a "feeling" he may not end up on our roster. But we'll see.

Ahh, ok. I had read that same line and came away thinking it was the complainant saying that.... though, I guess even the line you quoted & highlighted doesn't make it clear one way or the other who said it.


There is a ton we don't know, for sure, but when you consider the burden of proof aspect of things, I begin to believe that it is far less likely that any charges will be filed at all.

You could be right, though grammatically I think "one of them" refers to one of the "two of her friends". That's how I read it, but yes, given today's level of care taken with sentence structure, it could mean any of the three. lol.

You also may be right about the charges, I'm wondering what the Browns investigation will dig up regarding his "other character issues".

As I read the story, he had a prior relationship with one of the friends, again, not necessarily the defendant.

Folks really need to stop defending this guy.

Look at his weapons/tools....He spit on this girl ffs! after he punched her hard enough to knock her tooth out (She is going to need a root canal to repair it)

This guy is trash plain and simple, the female probably is too.

The Browns need to cut bait...they don't want this piece of trash anywhere near their locker room. This guy and Joe Mixon would get along real well....

I agree with you, I don't like men who hit women anymore than you do, I have been married 40 years this July and I have NEVER physically or mentally abused my wife, BUT I have 1 question ... What ever happened to being innocent until proven giulty?

The mention of spitting is in the report that lists him as the victim. So he was the one who was punched, kicked, and spit on. At least according to the report you posted.

Let's see what facts come out instead of reading into what appear to be drunken allegations.

Her friends sound like liars.

I am highly sceptical of this document.Where did it come from? I think it is either fake or highly doctored. The document clearly lists Caleb Brantley as the Victim and states the defendant hit the victim. Not saying Brantley is innocent but this document is so full of holes it almost can't be legit.And why did she wait four days to fill out the police report? How intoxicated was she the night of the incident and what else may have occurred after leaving that night? ( Was she drunk and fell down later and busted out her tooth?) If the officer at the scene observed her tooth knocked out (and unconscious as this document seems to state, why was Brantley not detained? Seems that it is SOP nowadays.

It could be legit.... according to the above article, the initial police report showed Brantley as the victim, which means that there is a subsequent copy that does not.

The question is, which is the real deal? Why was it changed?
The answer to that will likely factor heavily into whether or not any actual charges are filed.

It just looks like some took the original that listed Brantley as the victim and changed the text in the incident box. I would think the PD would be more professional as to not make such a mistake like leaving Brantleys name in the victim section if this was a revision based upon new evidence.

Lucky for us Florida is a "Sunshine State" Which means police reports are made public and put online. I searched for the incident/case number and couldn't find that number. I also search that DAY and address and found all the Police reports but nothing for that Case number/address or time. Beats me..

http://p2c.gainesvillepd.org/Summary.aspx


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04/13/2017 00:01 Arrest Arrestee: BAKER, TIFFANY NICOLE
Charge: PETIT THEFT (RETAIL) 1800 NE 12TH AVE

04/13/2017 01:04 Incident Case #: 0217006649
Primary Offense: DAMAGE TO PROPERTY 1200-BLK NE 5TH AVE

04/13/2017 02:08 Incident Case #: 0217006657
Primary Offense: THEFT GRAND - FROM BUILDING 1700-BLK W UNIVERSITY AVE

04/13/2017 02:14 Incident Case #: 0217006658
Primary Offense: DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE 2400-BLK SW 34TH ST

04/13/2017 02:30 Arrest Arrestee: FORD MARLIN, HYKEEM VERNON
Charge: LOITERING AND PROWLING 311 SW 13TH ST

04/13/2017 02:45 Arrest Arrestee: BALL, CHRISTIAN CUMMINGS
Charge: DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE BREATH ALCOHOL .08 OR MORE 2400 SW 34TH ST

04/13/2017 03:22 Arrest Arrestee: STRONG, LEONARD
Charge: THEFT GRAND- VALUED AT $5,000 OR MORE, BUT LESS THAN $10,000 1702 W UNIVERSITY AVE

04/13/2017 03:29 Incident Case #: 0217006656
Primary Offense: THEFT PETIT - RETAIL 1200-BLK W UNIVERSITY AVE

04/13/2017 03:30 Arrest Arrestee: FRAZIER, DENNER ROSEVELT
Charge: PETIT THEFT (RETAIL) 1225 W UNIVERSITY AVE

Women can be so vindictive, and men can be complete buttholes, you just never know who to believe now days.

20+ years of police work speaking. All parties in a dispute (fight, argument, assault, etc.) will tell in great detail (often embellished) what the other party did, and omit or minimize what they did. If you take what each party said about the other party's actions, and piece it together like a jigsaw puzzle, you end up with an approximation of what actually happened.

He will get picked up. He slashes in to a backfield like few players can. That's a talent you have to take a chance on and roll the dice.

Yes. I have watched this kid. Very high motor with great quickness and awareness. If he is cleared he will be a great addition to the DL rotation. I wouldn't be surprised if he excelled sooner rather than later.
We could have a gem here.

Did you just say very high motor? I will argue til the sun goes down that this kid has possibly the worst motor I've seen this year. He is absolutely dominant from snap through engaging and disengaging but my god I've never seen anyone so lazy when it comes to pursuit.

I see things different it seems.

brantley

Not to be abrasive but if you don't see it it's because you don't want to. Plain as day.

LMAO..........that video was freaking hilarious.

Yeah, if this guy wants playing time with Gregg Williams, he certainly will not be walking around.

In that video, it was as if his favorite thing to do was breakdown the O-Linemen, force the QB to scramble, then work his way into a slow jog to a trot

MMM, MMM, NASTY... nasty.

Hahah, awesome video.

I was rolling when he was talking about Caleb's spin move.

J/C Sorry guys, you don't know what you are talking about. Let's go to school here.


Colleges run maybe 90 plays on O. The NFL maybe 70 or so.


Colleges don't run many sub packages. The NFL does all the time.


The College game and the NFL game are different.


Quit trying to condem a kid who has to proctect the tank to play his 80 plays V a NFL guy who has to give for 45 plays. The Gators didn't take Brantley off the field much. Same with Garrett, and some complain about his motor. LOL


I though some of you watched Football? Be real.

Yeah, that guy was cracking me up. He was snorting, saying stuff like "Caleb, Caleb, Caleb" w/that sarcastic tone of voice. I was rolling listening to it.

I admire your loyalty, but everyone else on the field was running hard

It's not about loyalty. It is simply facts sir. The game is different today. You have to evaluate talent differently. Front seven guys in college know if they get enough pressures on the QB they are going to get their shot at chasing the money bag. Plays are run at such a fast pace in this day in age of college football that you have to pick and choose your spots to actually be productive.

Elite college players also know, to an extent, their coaches could care less about them, and more about what they can do for themselves and building their machine/brand.

If you are from a lower income family, is your loyalty to your 3 million dollar a year head coach or simply finding a way to get the quarterback to the ground 12 times in a season and making 7 million dollars a year yourself? Even the fringe guys are chasing checks, Porsche's, and Instagram likes.. definitely not scholarships, free meal cards at the dining hall, or a high motor grade from Dane Brugler. They want money and they know the formula.

These guys have mouths to feed and that is all that matters. They all take plays off. The real questions to a scout....Does this guy have NFL ability? Can Gregg Williams possibly get the most out of this guy? If we draft him late does he actually have a chance of competing for a roster spot? If those boxes check X, you turn in the card.

Brantley might very well might be the next Amon Gordon or Babatunde Oshinowo (both 6th rounders)...everybody knows how that unfolded if they are as old me..

Who knows, he could also be the next John Randle (undrafted 6 time all pro) or Pat Williams (3 time pro bowler)? Both of those guys were actually undrafted.

Why don't you just let it play out? I mean he is a 6th round pick. Unless you're holding out hope that he's like our other former 6th round picks like Melila Purcell, Paul Hubbard, Coye Francis, Don Carey, Nick Speegle, Kirk Chambers, Antonio Garay, Michael Jameson, Spergon Wynn, Kendall Ogle, Janoris Slaughter, or Carlton Mitchell. In that case, I'll just pray for you.

The front office is rolling the dice on talent late in the draft. 6th round picks don't work out. Period. Why not find a guy that can actually compete at the NFL level? Eventually we need to get to a point to where we take chances on questionable character concerns to compete, unless you want a roster filled with a bunch Darrin Chiaverini's. Me, I'd rather win in this lifetime. The Bengals, Cowboys, Steelers, and Patriots do it and it seems to be a good formula for them.

The time to win is now. If you took a play or two off in college and produce this fall, I could care less. People said Julius Peppers and Vince Wilfork had a low motor and took plays off, they'll be right down the road speaking in Canton soon...tune in.... Production and winning are all that matters at this point in my life. Caleb Brantley might be a nobody, but I applaude our front office for steping up to the plate and actually taking a swing instead of settling for the next Billy Winn.

Ah Billy Winn.

He went to where all former Browns DL go before fading into history ...... to the Broncos.