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The other thread is locked, so I'll put this here.

GOP lawmaker: those with pre-existing conditions may need to move

By Steve Benen
May 3, 2017

Under the Affordable Care Act, the system for Americans with pre-existing conditions is pretty straightforward: they can’t be discriminated against, they can’t be denied coverage, and they can’t be forced to pay more for insurance. Under the Republican alternative, those protections are eliminated.

The GOP model would empower states to scrap the guarantees for those with pre-existing conditions, forcing Americans who’ve had health issues – or those with chronic conditions – to pay exorbitant costs for care.

In a welcome display of candor, one House Republican suggested yesterday that if you have a pre-existing condition, and your state tries to punish you, you may have to move to some other state. TPM noted:
“People can go to the state that they want to live in,” Rep. Robert Pittenger (R-NC) told reporters Tuesday morning when asked if people with pre-existing conditions could be charged much more under the American Health Care Act.

“States have all kinds of different policies and there are disparities among states for many things: driving restrictions, alcohol, whatever,” he continued. “We’re putting choices back in the hands of the states. That’s what Jeffersonian democracy provides for.”
It’s quite a pitch. You have a heart condition? I hope you’re prepared to leave your job, sell your home, and move to some state that may offer the kind of protections that “Obamacare” already provides to the entire country.

It’s all about congressional Republicans and Donald Trump giving you “choices.”

Stories like these, about GOP lawmakers making ridiculously unpersuasive arguments in public, are increasingly common. The day before Pittenger said Americans with pre-existing conditions may need to move to a new state, Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) said those same Americans should pay more in order to help those who “lead good lives” and behave “the right way.”

And those comments came on the heels of a Huffington Post report on Rep. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio) who “told the mother of a service industry worker who has benefitted from the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion that her son should get a better job if he wants decent insurance when Obamacare is repealed.”

The Ohio Republican said the young man who relies on Medicaid probably has the wrong “skills,” so he shouldn’t be “entitled” to coverage through the Medicaid program.

GOP leaders should be very pleased more Americans don’t hear about quotes like these, because they’re not the arguments of a party winning a policy debate.

* Postscript: If Pittenger’s name sounds familiar, he argued last year that black activists protesting against police violence “hate white people because white people are successful.” The North Carolina Republican apologized soon after.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-lawmaker-those-pre-existing-conditions-may-need-move

WOw, just wow...

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Yikes.

Well, they vote today, let's see how it goes


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I am watching the Democrats trying to defend the "you can keep you doctor, you can keep your plan & premiums will go down" ObamaCare lie."

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When will people understand that ObamaCare is failing to a point of being a catastrophe?

Look at Iowa just this week where all of the insurance companies but one have pulled out of the State. The only one remaining says it must pull out of 94 of Iowa's 99 counties in the next year to remain profitable!

Under ObamaCare you have no choice of Doctors, and only one choice of plans for now. Soon you will have no choice at all, of anything!

This is a catastrophe and must be addressed for the sake of the People!

-Speaker of the House Paul Ryan

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Good is always the enemy of the failed.

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That's a very twisted definition of good.

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The House is now voting!

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This crap just passed.

Congrats Repubs, you are all getting voted out!

Starting with me voting against you.

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It passes the House!

On to the Senate!
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I just heard there is a Voucher system being floated where the Feds working with the States allows you to get a Voucher for your healthcare which you can shop around to other insurance companies to actually add more value to your healthcare.

Interesting.

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Doesnt matter. They obviously bow down to big business rather than putting forth policies that take care of citizens. Trump straight up lied.

So I will be voting against him, and other R on the ballet, next election.

This is really the only issue I care about and they blew it.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Doesnt matter. They obviously bow down to big business rather than putting forth policies that take care of citizens. Trump straight up lied.

So I will be voting against him, and other R on the ballet, next election.

This is really the only issue I care about and they blew it.



Do you know what's in it? How do I read the bill?

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The news is reporting that pre existing conditions wont be covered.

They are also reporting how Trump lied about that.

I have not seen/read about what is actually in the replacement bill.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg


I have not seen/read about what is actually in the replacement bill.


Neither have members of the House.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg


I have not seen/read about what is actually in the replacement bill.


That's because it never existed.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg


I have not seen/read about what is actually in the replacement bill.


Neither have members of the House.


So, this bill would be kinda sorta exactly like the Obamacare bill then? It was passed with even the speaker of the house saying "We need to pass it to see what's in it."

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
The news is reporting that pre existing conditions wont be covered.

They are also reporting how Trump lied about that.

I have not seen/read about what is actually in the replacement bill.


Of course you can vote as you wish but I just wanted to give you a heads up that the News is reporting Trump is a Russian Dictator too.

My understanding is there is a total of $144 billion built into this plan for Preexisting conditions.

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So, this bill would be kinda sorta exactly like the Obamacare bill then?


Yup cept its called "Trumpcare". The republican's own it now. Doesn't effect me. But to the 20mil or so people that will be tossed from their health insurance for preexisting conditions I feel for them.


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Originally Posted By: EmperorYoda
Originally Posted By: EveDawg


I have not seen/read about what is actually in the replacement bill.


Neither have members of the House.


Fake News!
This is what all the debating and back and forth has been about.
What was in the plan originally, what was in it earlier this week, and what is in it now that they all can live with.

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My understanding is there is a total of $144 billion built into this plan for Preexisting conditions.



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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
This crap just passed.

Congrats Repubs, you are all getting voted out!

Starting with me voting against you.


Welcome to the team Eve!

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
This crap just passed.

Congrats Repubs, you are all getting voted out!

Starting with me voting against you.


Welcome to the team Eve!


It doesnt make me a liberal. It makes me a person who votes for their self interest.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
This crap just passed.

Congrats Repubs, you are all getting voted out!

Starting with me voting against you.


Welcome to the team Eve!


It doesnt make me a liberal. It makes me a person who votes for their self interest.


Exactly! Thank you, may the force be with you..


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING


My understanding is there is a total of $144 billion built into this plan for Preexisting conditions.



rofl





I think 40 is right, but that is over 10 years and is less than a third of funds for that now as far as I can tell. I really want the details.

I'm happy they passed it because it is just another step toward Single Payer Healthcare.

Trump will be out soon to brag about his major victory, of course it means nothing until the Senate rewrites and approves it, but Trump will be bragging hard anyway. Great Huge Victory....

This is 1/6th of the economy and they voted with no reports, no score, no public text... looks like another win for Big Insurance, Big Pharma and the wealthy to me.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
This crap just passed.

Congrats Repubs, you are all getting voted out!

Starting with me voting against you.


Welcome to the team Eve!


It doesnt make me a liberal. It makes me a person who votes for their self interest.


I'm cool with that, you're not on team Trump anymore so you get a choice of who you are now thumbsup

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
This crap just passed.

Congrats Repubs, you are all getting voted out!

Starting with me voting against you.


Welcome to the team Eve!


It doesnt make me a liberal. It makes me a person who votes for their self interest.


Wish your fellow conservatives got with that.


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OMG Pence introducing Trump for this vote almost made me vomit in my mouth a little. Trump running his mouth now, patting himself on the back, waiting for him to shoot himself in the foot.

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Well step one is done for republicans.


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They probably will. Watch Ossoff get elected.

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He actually said they are going to "Brag about the plan"... He said "I'm President can you believe it"... Now he's on to the tax plan...

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j/c

It's funny watching them celebrate at half time.


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Patting their own backs and stroking each other's ego... for doing their job and not killing their own bill! LMAO

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Also noticed the establishment Dems did not filibuster or fight this too hard, I think they wanted Trump to own healthcare for 2018.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
They probably will. Watch Ossoff get elected.


Well when 20 million people realize they are going to lose healthcare coverage there will probably be several Ossoff types elected. thumbsup

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It's funny watching them



poke Watching them what?

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.... celebrate at half time Ytown. lol


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Glad you got it, knew what I meant.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
This crap just passed.

Congrats Repubs, you are all getting voted out!

Starting with me voting against you.


Welcome to the team Eve!


It doesnt make me a liberal. It makes me a person who votes for their self interest.


Wish your fellow conservatives got with that.


U want more sellfishness in the world ... BRILLIANT as usual ... true patriot ... as one of your own said ...

" don't ask what u can do for your country, get as much u can while u can" .. or something like that ... *LOL* ...




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The GOP's big lie: Healthcare bill 'protects people with preexisting conditions'

Last-minute wrangling over the Republican healthcare bill, approved by the House on Thursday, centered largely on what’s known as the MacArthur Amendment. House Speaker Paul Ryan said it “strengthens” the legislation and “protects people with preexisting conditions.”

It strengthens the bill only from the perspective of maintaining support from far-right lawmakers who have sworn blood oaths to undo the healthcare-reform legacy of former President Obama.

And it protects people with preexisting conditions much as starving people may be welcome at a restaurant, but only if they order the most expensive dishes on the menu.

"The MacArthur Amendment is a Band-Aid on a very bad plan, and it likely won't staunch the bleeding," said Dana Goldman, director of the USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics.

I spoke with the amendment’s namesake, Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.). He painted a sunnier picture.

“We have to make sure the most vulnerable are protected, but we also have to bring down costs for everyone else,” he told me. “I think we’re doing that.”

This much is clear: Republican lawmakers have provided a textbook example of how not to enact major legislation.

They’re aiming to radically overhaul the $3-trillion U.S. healthcare system yet have shunned the input of major stakeholders such as medical organizations, hospitals and patient-advocacy groups, which are uniformly against the measure.

A key focus of the GOP has been a provision of the Affordable Care Act that people with preexisting conditions not be discriminated against in any way by health insurers. Prior to Obamacare, insurers could deny coverage to such people or charge premiums beyond most people’s ability to pay.

The MacArthur Amendment would empower states to waive protections for those with preexisting conditions as long as they come up with some alternative way of making insurance available.

The catch, however, is that the amendment would not require insurers to charge the same rates that healthy people enjoy. That’s why the likes of the American Medical Assn. and AARP have warned that, under the Republican plan, sick people could face rates so high that they’d be unaffordable for any but the wealthy.

Dr. James Madara, chief executive of the AMA, said in a letter to Congress last week that claims the MacArthur Amendment would protect people with preexisting conditions are “illusory.”

The reason he can say this is because the Republicans would rely mostly on so-called high-risk pools to provide coverage for the sick. This means such people would be grouped together for insurance purposes, which would relieve healthy people of the financial obligation of covering their needs.

While that would lower premiums for the healthy — which, along with tax cuts, appears to be the Republicans’ primary goal in tackling healthcare reform — it would cause rates to soar for those in the high-risk pool.

We know that because this isn’t a theoretical idea. High-risk pools have been tried in nearly three-dozen states, and in almost all cases resulted in limited access to coverage and skyrocketing costs.

California’s high-risk pool was the Major Risk Medical Insurance Program, which was intended only as insurance of last resort for the up to 400,000 people with preexisting conditions who, prior to Obamacare, kept having doors slammed in their face by profit-hungry insurers.

The program was chronically underfunded, meaning that it eventually had to limit the number of people covered to only about 7,000 — a small fraction of the state’s uninsured. Thousands languished on the waiting list.

And even when people obtained coverage in California’s high-risk pool, monthly premiums would run as much as $1,000, annual coverage would be capped at $75,000 and there would be a lifetime limit of $750,000. It was, in other words, too little coverage at too high a price.

The Republican bill now includes a potential $130 billion in subsidies over a decade, plus another $8 billion over five years, to fund high-risk pools. But some experts say that’s nowhere near enough.

The Center for American Progress estimates that, depending on the number of states involved, an additional $200 billion could be needed.

Jennifer Kent, director of the California Department of Health Care Services, told me the Republicans’ $138 billion might sound like a large amount until you face the actual costs of covering people with serious conditions.

“We had one person, a child with hemophilia, in Medi-Cal who cost $21 million last year,” she said. “We had five other people who cost over $10 million each. Put them together and that’s just six people costing almost $100 million.”

The simple fact, Kent said, is that any risk pool comprised solely of sick people will be very, very expensive.

“The problem with California’s high-risk pool was that there was never enough funding,” she said. “We had to close enrollment because the money ran out.”

This shouldn’t be news to MacArthur, the Republican lawmaker. He’s a former insurance executive who got rich selling his company, York Risk Services Group, for about half a billion dollars in 2010.

MacArthur told me the Republicans are prepared to make “a tremendous down payment” on funding high-risk pools. “If we find that things have to be tweaked, we’ll make adjustments,” he said.

That’s a surprising commitment to flexibility considering the Republicans adamantly refused to consider even a single tweak to Obamacare. It also displays an optimism about taxpayer funds being used for the sick that doesn’t seem warranted.

Republicans currently say that healthy people shouldn’t have to cover those with preexisting conditions through higher premiums. Yet those same healthy people will be willing to shoulder a possibly higher tax burden?

MacArthur insisted that “we’re not leaving people high and dry.” And the Republican bill does contain responsible-sounding language that makes it seem like people with preexisting conditions have little to fear.

The reality, however, is that it lays the groundwork for the sick to be ghettoized. It punishes people not for misdeeds but for medical misfortune.

That’s not healthcare. It’s an act of cruelty.

http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/...0504-story.html

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