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Yeah so thats the Republicans strategy. Instead of dealing with the high cost of healthcare, they bent over and took it hard for their big business buddies. And lied through their teeth to the American people, who are basically screwed now.

Thanks Trump!

This is the bill the American People need to demand. You won't hear much about this, too bad somebody doesn't tell Trump about it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

That will never happen.

When people vote for their own self interest instead of the benefit of the few wealthy people who will have wealth no matter what, that ends up aligning with millions of Americans.

Such as coverage for people with pre existing conditions. Getting rid of that, or making it even more expensive than it already is, doesn't benefit the many. It benefits the few.

So yea it does make me a patriot.

It makes you a corporate slave dog, though. Hey Diam, when corporations want you to bark, do you also roll over on your back and do cute other tricks, as well?

Hope you don't drag your ass on the carpet, although it sure would match your character.

Yet, eve admitted she voted for her own self interest.

Just as you do, and I do, and everyone else does.

On a side note, do you know why dogs drag their butts on carpet (or outside)? I do. Sadly, I do.

I rather not know why.

I'll tell you anyway.

They have a scent gland near the end of the anus. It's how their poo "marks their territory". If it gets plugged, it bugs them, bothers them, annoys them, causes some discomfort.

Scooting on the carpet is a dog's way of trying to unplug that.

It doesn't work.

So, you need to get the rubber gloves out, some vaseline, and finger their butt, find the gland (it's not in deep) and "express" the gland. Basically, in a sense, pop it like a zit. You have to clear the gland. And it's not really "popping" it, it's opening it up.

And it stinks like .............well, it's bad.

Once it's done, and your dog forgives you, he/she is happy and scoots no more.

OR, sometimes the dog just has something stuck in the anus and has trouble getting it out. I don't know, like, paper towels its eaten, maybe a newspaper, q-tips, etc.

Let me know if you want to know more.

You have done this to your dog? Gross.

Obamacare doesn't cover that.

31 seconds of the healthcare vote that shows why people hate politics. We wonder why our congress is so inept. One party has nothing over the other party. They are a bunch of born into politics power grubbing losers. (There's a video in the article that I can't embed).

CNN

(CNN)When House Republicans secured their 216th "yes" on the American Health Care Act Thursday, Democrats immediately began taunting their across-the-aisle rivals.

"Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey Hey, Goodbye," Democrats sang at Republicans. A few Democrats even waved goodbye.
The implication was obvious: Democrats believed many Republicans had just cost themselves their political careers by voting for an overhaul of Obamacare.

And the DC political class wonders why people hate them.
I understand that Democrats not only didn't like the way this bill was passed -- without any estimates on what it might cost or how many people might lose coverage as a result -- but also believed the policies contained in it would leave the country and its people considerably worse off.
That is a worthy conversation to have. But, that's not what Democrats were doing. Instead, they were jeering and mocking their colleagues.

Republicans just won a health care battle. Winning the war is going to be much tougher.
Look. We have two parties in this country for a reason. Democrats and Republicans don't always disagree on the problems the country faces but do almost always disagree on how to solve them.
Debating those differences is the stuff of democracy. Giving the public the chance, every two years, to render their judgment on who has more of the right in the argument is the backbone of our political system.

Poll after poll suggests that one thing both sides broadly agree on is that they prefer bipartisan compromise to go-it-alone-ism. When House Democrats act like they did today -- or President Trump acts like he does almost every day -- we get further and further from even the possibility of finding common ground or even just talking to each other like human beings.
It also convinces people not in Washington or not involved in politics that the people who are representing them in DC have no real idea what they care about or value.
That's a very bad thing for the long-term health of our democracy.

Ahh, ObamaCare, how I miss it.

-We can choose and keep our own Doctor.
-We can choose our own plan and change it as our needs change.
-Our monthly premiums always went down.
-Our co-pays were so inexpensive and going down constantly.
-We had such low deductibles.
-Preexisting conditions were covered as long as you still had an insurance company in your state.
-Insurance companies are making so much money they fight for their right to cover us.

O how I miss O care.

cause the political class is a reflection of the the people.

we got liberals protesting/rioting over speakers at a college.

we got conservatives chanting "lock her up" and "obama is a muslim" at every rally in america.

So i don't understand how people hate the politicians they voted for. it's a direct reflection of how your and my ideology as a whole has been acting.

but hey, some say that if you ever met yourself, you might not actually like who are.

aye 40, here's the states with the highest percentage of people with pre existing conditions:

West Virginia, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma , Louisiana, Missouri, Indiana, and Kansas

yikes. all Trump states.

Rich conservatives are about to make it rain at the strip club.

Well, first time he was doing it, we called the vet. They told me what was up. I took him in. 3 minutes later, he's fine.

Second time he scooted, I called a friend that used to work for the same vet. Took him up to her house, she did it. He was fine. And she told me how to do it.

So, the vet was $30. She, the friend, was $10. Me? It's free.

You don't do what you need to to help your pet/s?

We had a dog that did this. We took him to the vet. I wouldnt do that to a dog myself. Thats gross.

You all realize this has to go to the SENATE ..They will rewrite the bill AS THEY WILL NEED 60 VOTE TO PASS ..This will a much more deliberate debate with much give and take .. So both sides rushing in to condemn or praise is an exersice in wasted typing ! lol

Shhhhhhh.
Senate Republicans have opted to use a maneuver known as reconciliation to try to pass the bill with a simple majority, instead of having to clear the 60-vote threshold that is required for most legislation. They only need 51 votes to pass it.
Shhhhhhh. Tell no one.

Gross maybe. But not. If it's needed, and I can do it myself, why not do it myself?

Dog's happy afterwards.

Not much different than gutting a deer. If it's got to be done, you do it.

Hopefully it will fail. But its not just posters wasting typing. Trump and the Repubs had a celebration. Although I dont know why they would celebrate lying to American voters. Its going to bite them in the butt.

hmmm.....

...but what if it passes in Senate?

Then it will definitely bite them in the butt. I said it before, its political suicide to not make sure everyone has insurance.

Not only is Trump being called out as a liar,
but the Repubs have egg on their face because the House passed it without even knowing what was in it.

People elected Trump because they wanted the swamp drained, but its just evidence its more of the same.

So when election time comes around, it will be.....NEXT! KEEP VOTING THEM OUT UNTIL SOMEONE GETS IT RIGHT.

So, what is ACTUALLY in the bill?

And yes, it has to pass the senate yet as well.

What is IN the bill that is causing all tumult? Is it things you've read? Has what you read been verified as true?

I don't know - I'm asking.

Or, is this like O care, where we can't know what's in it until it passes?

My suggestion is you go read/watch the news to educate yourself.

I have been. And, as is typical, the "news" is full of hype about how bad this might be..........no proof, mind you.

No recognition of the fact that it still has to go to the senate. No nothing other than "Oh, millions MIGHT lose their insurance.........blah blah blah"

When O care passed, just prior to that I should say, we were told 30-40, maybe even 50 million people didn't have health insurance.

And O care "covered" some 20 million plus or minus.


And those that got covered? They all received some fed. funds and/or tax credits.

And premiums went up - even though we were told/promised premiums would go down. So, not only did the paying people have to pony up more to pay for others, we had to pay more in taxes to pay for others.

I get it, that's how insurance works.

I get it, that, ocare, was the first step to single payer health care. I get it.

Just as you stated that you vote for YOUR benefit - I get it. I vote for my benefit. That's what voting is about, right?

Read my thread about gov't. If you think "someone else paying for it" is going to benefit you in some way.......well, it might. Until the problem is compounded, and you're stuck with nothing, and I'm stuck with nothing. Nothing but bills/taxes.

You really want someone in gov't being in charge of what health care you get? It's bad enough as it is, you want someone in DC to determine what care you get?

You should really do a better job of paying attention in this forum.

I am for price caps and government regulation.

I have always been for that. Ask anybody who pays attention.

Healthcare in this country will never work until they do this.

I have never been for single payer.

So yes, I will always vote them out until someone gets it right.

If you want to remain ignorant on the subject, thats not my problem dude. Its not my job to educate you. At the very least you should pay attention in the forum if you want to post in it.

here:

A look at the House Republican health care bill

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/look-house-republican-health-care-073337063.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Republicans on Thursday passed legislation to roll back much of former President Barack Obama's health care law. The legislation would rework subsidies for private insurance, limit federal spending on Medicaid for low-income people and cut taxes on upper-income individuals used to finance Obama's overhaul.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that the Republican bill would result in 24 million fewer people having health insurance by 2026, compared to Obama's 2010 statute.

Here are key elements of the bill:

__Ends tax penalties Obama's law imposes on individuals who don't purchase health insurance and on larger employers who don't offer coverage to workers.

__Halts extra payments Washington sends states to expand Medicaid to additional poorer Americans, and forbids states that haven't already expanded Medicaid to do so. Changes Medicaid from an open-ended program that covers beneficiaries' costs to one that gives states fixed amounts of money annually.

__Erases Obama's subsidies for people buying individual policies based mostly on consumers' incomes and premium costs. Replaces them with tax credits that grow with age that must be used to defray premiums. The credits are refundable, which means they can go to people with little or no tax liability. Credits may not be used to buy policies that provide abortion coverage.

__Repeals Obama's taxes on people with higher incomes and on insurance companies, prescription drugmakers, some medical devices, expensive employer-provided insurance plans and tanning salons. Obama's law has used the revenue to help pay for expanded coverage.

__Requires insurers to apply 30 percent surcharges to customers who've let coverage lapse for more than 63 days in the past year. This would include people with pre-existing medical conditions.

__Lets states get federal waivers allowing insurers to charge older customers higher premiums than younger ones by as much as they'd like. Obama's law limits the difference to a 3-1 ratio.

__States can get waivers exempting insurers from providing consumers with required coverage of specified health services, including hospital and outpatient care, pregnancy and mental health treatment.

__States can get waivers from Obama's prohibition against insurers charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing health problems, but only if the person has had a gap in insurance coverage. States could get those waivers if they have mechanisms like high-risk pools that are supposed to help cover people with serious, expensive-to-treat diseases. Critics say these pools are often under-funded and ineffective.

___Provides $8 billion over five years to help states finance their high-risk pools. This late addition, aimed at winning over votes, is on top of $130 billion over a decade in the bill for states to help people afford coverage.

__Retains Obama's requirement that family policies cover grown children to age 26, and its prohibition against varying premiums because of a customer's gender.

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Sources: U.S. Congress, The Associated Press, Kaiser Family Foundation

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I like how they got that abortion policy to tax credits put in there. score one for the pro-birthers.

this part right here:

__Requires insurers to apply 30 percent surcharges to customers who've let coverage lapse for more than 63 days in the past year. This would include people with pre-existing medical conditions.

could be absolutely devastating to the middle and lower class. yikes.

__Lets states get federal waivers allowing insurers to charge older customers higher premiums than younger ones by as much as they'd like. Obama's law limits the difference to a 3-1 ratio.

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lol, all you old people. congrats for screwing yourselves.

Youre too nice Swish. I wanted Arch to go look it up himself, instead of his stupid "I'm Dumb" routine.

__States can get waivers exempting insurers from providing consumers with required coverage of specified health services, including hospital and outpatient care, pregnancy and mental health treatment.

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ISNT THAT THE ENTIRE REASON TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE?

Swish,

Your post about why you don't understand how people hate their politicians was spot on. Love it!

In my opinion, this healthcare bill can't be any better than the one it's replacing for one simple fact... it doesn't fix the main problem that's been there all along (and arguably exacerbated by ACA), which is that healthcare is waaaaaaaay too expensive. Under ACA, it was way too expensive, so more of the cost was put on certain groups of people. Under Trumpcare, it's way too expensive, so certain people may not be able to afford what they need (and I don't mean "need", I mean a real 'survival' type need). The symptoms are different, but the root cause is the same... healthcare is way too damn expensive. It's way too damn expensive because of our litigiousness, needless red tape that's dressed up as regulations that keep us safe, and corporate greed (in that order).

I'm just so sick and tired of the empty suits in DC (with their emptier heads) making these stupid, costly decisions that ultimately won't change (much less fix) anything.

Eve is a SAVAGE!!

I just knew once Obama turned American Healthcare into Welfare, our
healthcare was doomed.

Too bad for America.

Said the Patriots to the Falcons...

What happened to all that 'let people buy insurance across state lines' crap we heard all through the campaign?

That was said almost as much as 'we're gonna build a wall'.

Ah, somehow I missed this post of yours.

Thanks.

only if they attach a budget to it, which has not happened to date.

Reconciliation is only for fiscal matters.

One of the key demands is that it lower the deficit.

It has to go thru the "Byrd Bath."

So *if* this passes the senate, the wealthy and big pharma gets massive tax cuts.

Combine that with with this incoming tax reform, and......well if you're rich, happy birthday.

If you're middle/lower class, old, and/or have pre-existing conditions, the republicans just screwed you with no KY.

And yea Ted, not one word about purchasing across state lines, either.

Cutting the ACA and tax reform was never gonna be anymore than republicans giving their donors, as well as themselves, more money.

And yet conservatives bought it hook line and sinker.

Let me say something to you guys on this board specifically:

I sincerely hope nothing bad happens to you conservatives with regards to healthcare.

But if this passes senate, understand that while I hope nothing bad happens, I won't feel bad if it does.

Cause you voted for this. Everybody told you during the election season this is what will happen if you have control to republicans, and you voted for them anyway.

Made your bed. Now lay in it.