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I think it's laughable when we grade players that have never played in the NFL. Let's grade last year's draft, now that we have a sample size.

I give a B-, it was a strong effort to trust the process.

I'd say it's a solid B or B+ ... I question Peppers' ability to transition to the NFL, didn't like the Rod Johnson selection, and the Brantley one is a big risk.

I do like the fact we got the best player in the draft. Njoku is raw, but could be a game changer with his upside. I also like Ogunjobi and Wilson. Solid job.

Oh yeah, plus another 1st round pick

I liked our draft also. I'd give it a B+. The Brantley pick is a risk. If it works out we got a 2nd round talent in the 6th. If it doesn't well most 6th round picks don't stick anyway.

Isn't this supposed to be about the 2016 draft and not this years? If so, then I was down with Coleman, hope he comes back strong. Ogbah looks like a keeper and another year for the others will help.

Yes - it was the poster's intent to discuss last year's draft.

I'd say with the injury to Coleman it is incomplete. Someone on the board has already labeled Coleman a bust and likened him to Justin Gilbert which to my mind is a total joke. . . . As a refresher:

1st Round (#15): WR Corey Coleman - flashed. Needs to stay healthy.
2nd Round (#32): DE Emmanuel Ogbah - I believe will be a force this year
3rd Round (#65): DE Carl Nassib - Loved his energy, disappeared a bit
3rd Round (#76): OT Shon Coleman - Highly touted as our future RT
3rd Round (#93): QB Cody Kessler - Outperformed any expectations despite woeful OL and 1 WR.
4th Round (#99): LB Joe Schobert - contributed
4th Round (#114): WR Ricardo Louis - first of the meh WR's
4th Round (#129): S Derrick Kindred - contributed but best as back up
4th Round (#138): TE Seth DeValve - as second TE has good value/potential
5th Round (#154): WR Jordan Payton - meh
5th Round (#168): OT Spencer Drango - meh
5th Round (#172): WR Rashard Higgins - double meh
5th Round (#173): CB Trey Caldwell - meh
7th Round (#250): ILB Scooby Wright III - cut

In reality part of last years draft was/is - Peppers and a 1st round pick in 2018 .... that may tip the balance of last year's draft in our favor. Wentz looked like a future HOFer his first few weeks and then came back to earth ... jury is still out though he past the eye test early.

Other than actually being an 'incomplete' still - if you had to force me to pick a grade it would be a solid B.

Coleman (C) - undetermined - flashed some then go injured.
Ogbah - A - did a really good job in what I would not consider a scheme fit for him. I think he'll breakout this year.
Nassib - B - started off well, got injured and then didn't have the same impact.
Kessler - A - I know I'll get panned for this, but I thought he did well considering the circumstance. Did the concussions cause a regression? I think he's a great pick as his floor is good backup.

We had contributions from Louis, Devalve, Schobert, Kindred with Drango getting some serious PT and he will be a part of the picture.

Ogbah was the only one who really had any sort of impact; Kessler did well considering expectation. Coleman needs to prove he can be a starting wideout - if he can, the draft as a whole would be considered a success. We added depth and if Ogbah can continue his progress, Coleman can prove why we took him and Nassib, Drango, and of one of the receivers hangs on, its a solid base. We drafted numbers in the hope some stick. I am also hoping Shonn can make the RT spot one less thing to worry about.

I give it a B- for now but it hinges on Coleman(s). If both can prove they are legit, the draft becomes an A.

I think Ogbah and Garrett are going to have at least 15 sacks between them.

The jury is still out on the 2016 draft.

Receivers can have a difficult adjustment to the NFL, and our QB situation didn't help them out. Coleman flashed the one game before he got hurt. Can he play that way consistently? Higgins, Louis, and Payton know what's expected now and should be familiar with the playbook. They should have some chemistry with Kessler.

Ogbah and Nassib performed better than I expected. Effort and energy made up for some of the limitations they have. Nassib had the set back with the hand, but he looked like we may have found something before it. Like the attitude. They should fit with Gregg Williams.

Shon Coleman is an incomplete. Looks the part, but was coming back from injury so haven't seen much on the field. JT seems pretty complimentary.

Kessler was forced into action early and hung in there pretty well. Definitely wasn't a superstar, but can improve. Should be an adequate backup at worst for a long time.

Schobert and Kindred were underwhelming. Can be great special teamers, though.

Drango showed some versatility, but I'm not sure he'll stick with our improved depth.

Seth DeValve looked interesting late in the year. If he can stay healthy could turn into something.

Trey Caldwell didn't see the field much.

Wright is already off the team.

Right now I'll give it a C+, but probably more of an incomplete.

Now if you want to go back to 2015 it's probably easier to grade. I'll give it a generous C-. 5 guys off the team already, and Erving possibly following them. Shelton's improvement last year keeps this from being worse. Cooper and Orchard will hopefully look better in Williams' scheme. Telfer's been a solid blocker at TE, for a 6th rounder I'll take it. Campbell has been underwhelming. Bleh, this could easily be a D.

I gave last years Draft a solid D. We got Ogbah who showed some ability and not much else to get excited about.

This years maybe a C. Garrett I liked. Then we traded down and passed up several players that could be great for players that could be average.

Passed on Hooker for Peppers , guy that doesn't have a position, passed on Howard for the 3rd best TE, drafted a QB that doesn't like football, a corner that runs a 4.6 40. Can't wait to see him cover that 4.2 WR Cincy got. The rest I never heard of except Brantley, a guy that beats women and the Browns were told to stay away from by his coaches.

Thank You for posting that. I could not remember all of our picks last year. Looks like a good blend between last year and this year.

Misread post. I give last years draft a B- as of right now but I feel the grade will go higher with development of our picks.

I misread it too. As far as 2016, in my eyes, Coleman is an average WR. Ogbah is above average DE. Nassib will be an average rotational guy. Kessler an average backup.

Crap-can the rest of em

2016 draft thus far, I'm going with a C+

Coleman has faced two injuries.
None of the other WRs we drafted made much of a case for themselves.
Ogbah is probably the only person showing enough to me to say, excellent pick. Nassib is close.

However, this is just one year of judging and etc, so definitely grade-wise, mine is subject to change. And damn, I sure hope it does. We need some young kids to step up/stay healthy.

Well if a C is average , I will go with a D ..

As Garrett may get double teamed I suspect that opens up Ogbah or Nassib. EO may have more sacks than MG because of this.

We wanted to see improved play by Shelton in his 2nd year and we did. I now think we see it with a handful of these 2016 picks. Corey C., Ogbah, Nassib and Kessler immediately come to mind. Hoping S. Colemon steps up but, the competition at RT is going to be fierce. Also hope a couple of these WRs step up in year 2.

Funny how we are so down on our own. I went and Looked at the great Bill Belichick's 2016 draft class. They had 9 players. 5 in the first 4 rounds. I like our first 5 picks a whole lot more than theirs, that's not factoring in future draft picks. . . . they hit on Joe Thuney in the 3rd, and Malcom Mitchel came on a bit as WR at the end of the year. The thing I'll say there is that with Tom Brady throwing the rock, you have to be pretty bad not to be average. The rest looks pretty bad. If our grade is a C or D - the great Bill Belichick must get an F.

I'd say a C+. Coleman, Ogbah and Kessler are going to be decent to better that avarage. I have hopes for Lewis. I think he might take a stride at receiver this year. That could push the grade up a bit.

I'd also note that 1 year isn't a good timeline. That is how I see it as it stands today. The next season or two could make it go up or down, though I think more towards the up side.

I think it just underlines what a crapshoot the draft can be and that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. We are so - obsessed - with the draft because that's all we have had to look forward to for many years. We have also under-achieved, draft wise.

Imagine if we had kept guys like Ward, Sheard, Rubin, etc? I'm not touching the Schwartz debate but we have drafted some good players. I have also looked around at other drafts and it is surprising how many teams miss out on selections "making it".

I don't think last year was better or worse than league average.

we haven't batted league average in a number of drafts. Combine that with regime changes and players being let go.

We need continuity. I like what the FO and staff are doing. I pray they are given a number of years. For example, we can then retain Ogbah when he enters free agency, he will know the system, be comfortable in it, will have had the same HC.

I also understand this is a results business. I hope we show improved performance whilst also notching a few more wins. Dang, I hope we surprise a lot of people ala Pettine's first season. At the end of the day, I want to be watching Cleveland when other fans' teams are on vacation.

I wasn't enamoured with the draft but it was decent. I like the direction. Collins was sold enough to stay - and he would have made $$$ regardless. I'm optimistic.

I've tried to find the articles but wasnt Spencer Drango rated as one of the highest rookies? I've seen it on here somewhere too. I think he will be one of the top backup OL.

I really like Nassib too. I know he disappeared but after a full year in our system, getting bigger, and faster, I think he surprises a lot of people. Feel the same about Hollywood Higgins.

I get your point, and don't disagree. But I really think NE/Belichick have different expectations from the draft. NE is a good team with very good players at multiple positions. They also consistently have low draft positions due to their record. I believe that combination leads them to draft less for immediate production and more for eventual replacements of their current players, a developmental approach. I'm not saying this is a universal approach for them.

That developmental approach is showing up in Sashi/Paul's style too. Their stamp for 2 drafts appears to be athleticism and character over refined technique. You can teach technique, you can't teach athleticism. Much to the dismay of impatient fans, they keep drafting guys with an eye for how good they can be 2-3 years down the road. We'll see how good they are at making those projections.

(edited to add)The Brantley pick obvious diverges from the emphasis on character.

Last year's draft based on year one's performance was at best a D. None of them played all that great except Ogbah. You could throw darts on a board and get better results.

This year will be a C to B based on how our first rounders play. Passing on allen and Hooker should give them an F but at least they got garrett and didn't flake out.

Getting Caleb Brantley in the 6th was an absolute steel. He will be found innocent since all he did was defend himself from some luney that assaulted him. He was a late first to top of the second round talent. He was the next best DT after Allen so signing him was a real awesome move.

Last years draft is a solid D plus
Ogbah really played well as the season progressed.
But Coleman regressed and Nassib looked as pitiful as Orchard has
None of the WRS shown the ability to beat press or off coverage
Kessler is a play it safe conservative thrower.
Your 1 and 15 for a reason
Year 2 these guys have to make that jump from being mere bodies on a roster

j/c:

I can't grade last year's draft. I just think it was disappointing considering our position.

Coleman was a hot-tempered, undisciplined player who did show some big play ability. But man, this guy was a huge disappointment in my eyes.

Ogbah played well. ed and I had him as one of the guys we wanted at that pick and he did not disappoint.

The WRs were a huge disappointment.

Kessler was overdrafted. He looks like a solid backup, so that might be a decent pick. However, knowing Dak was there kinda ruins it for me.

Kindred is what I thought he was. A SS who is a straight line runner and can't cover his own freaking shadow.

Nassib? Hmmmmm...........not sure what to think about him. I wanna see more before I evaluate.

Blah.............

Unfortunately I think that is fairly accurate !

I wouldnt forget S. Coleman. He looked good against the Steelers in the last game. Now he will get to play next to Kevin Zietler, a huge step up. I really like him a lot.

As for Corey, I liked him when we drafted, still do. Hopefully the QBs do not drop like flies and he can create some chemistry with whoever the starter is from day one.

Id like to see more analysis of prior drafts, because that is how we get back to relevance. I thought 2016 Draft was decent, and I haven't felt this positive about the Browns in a few years.

Steady as she goes

I disagree with your assessment of Nassib.

I thought that the 5t was an un natural position for him. I think that he will be an important gog in the DE rotation.
He should improve his core strength with a year in the system. His sacks where not note worthy, but he did have some good pressure's and PD as a rookie who lost time and played with one had in a cast for a number of games.

WRs, they take time. Hopefully Coleman takes a step forward. The 2016 Browns were so messed up, so many problems on O.

I agree with you that the second year is the most important for WR's. I just don't see this years O as some great upgrade. We pretty much traded Pryor for Britt and traded Barnidge for Njoku.

We did upgrade the interior of our OL which should improve the run game, yet a lot of that will depend on whether whoever starts at QB can effectively push the ball downfield.

Given that the team is always forced to throw our rookies into the fire and considering the lack of talent around them this past draft class probably wasn't all that bad.

Nassib started well but disappeared and Ogbah performed very well. Kessler performed well for a guy again thrown into the fire and without much talent and the fact that the guy really lacks the physical attributes needed to be a starting QB. Coleman and the rest of the WR...blah but Coleman did show flashes before the injury.

The class this year, I like better than most and this coming from a guy that hates when we trade down. I'm definitely not completely on board with this FO, but I'll give them credit for sticking to the plan of acquiring more draft picks. Hey who knows, maybe it will eventually start paying off.

j/c

I gave the Browns a grade of a sold B.

Which is much better than last year when I gave them a solid, "What the hell!?"

I agree, I think think it will be a solid A. Gotta remember with Pit, him giving a solid B is like Hitler deciding he likes Jews after all

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Many of the talking heads gave the Pats a good grade, because of the players they traded for. They considered the players to be their picks.

Well, how does our draft look when you add Jamie Collins Sr to the mix? We also have a 1st added to next year's haul, that has to be calculated in.

Long term? Who knows. But right now this is an A draft all day long. (and I don't even like the Peppers pick)

I started out feeling that way about Peppers, but you have to like the kid. Do we even have anybody on D that feels like he does? Kid plays with alot of emotion. Thats what we need.
I'm even thinking about a Peppers Jersey Go Browns!

I'm confused. Why are you guys talking about Peppers, Kizer, etc in the 2016 NFL draft?

5th Round (#168): OT Spencer Drango - played in 16 games starting 9

^^That's good contribution from a 5th round pick

Louis and DeValve flashed

Drango was pretty solid too. I don't think anyone expected him to be a stud but I think he overachieved. I think he could be a capable starter so to have him as our 6th man in training is quite a steal for the 5th round imo. If bitonio or zeitler go down in the next few years I don't think the OL will falter.