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Dominant. lmao slow down bro, I get you're excited.

"The Browns DL will be much Improved maybe to the point of becoming dominate"

Post what I said not what you want people to think I said

Ooops ...

I think the point he was making is that the word you were looking for in "dominant", not "dominate".

"The Browns DL is going to dominate their opponents."
"The BROWNS' opponents get blown up because our DL is so dominant."

There is a lot of potential to be "DOMINANT" especially with GW as our DC ...

My 2 cents

Starters: DE: Myles Garrett, NT/UT: Danny Shelton 3-tech: Cooper/Brantley (if not in jail)/Ogunjobi DE: Emanuel Ogbah

Backups: DE: Cam Johnson NT/UT: Larry Ogunjobi 3-tech: Cooper/Brantley DE: Tyrone Holmes

Others: Jamie Meder, Gabe Wright, Nassib

You expecting Bryant to get cut?

I guess I don't really think of Bryant at all really. Average player coming off missing a season due to injury...I just think those guys will be as good or better soon.

The Browns will probably cut Bryant, but I think he is our best interior d-lineman. He is not just an average player. He has great explosion off the ball, shows pretty good gap discipline, and is good in the running game and as a pass rusher.

I hope we keep him, but we probably won't. And once again, I'll be disappointed.

I think that Bryant was a very good DL. Is he still a good choice now, after tearing his pec, sitting out a year, and entering a season where he'll turn 32? I just fail to see how he fits on a team about which Sashi Brown has said: ‘We’re trying to build a group that's going to be together for a long time’.

We have added 2-3 DL in this draft. (depending on how Brantley's situation turns out) They are going to take someone's spots. We have seen a preference for youth over experience under this regime, so I see Bryant going fairly soon.

Agreed. My biggest knock on Bryant has been his health. He seems to get injured a lot.

Otherwise, he's a very good player. And I think he's a great 3 Tech to put alongside Shelton.


I just remember some things last year where they were trying to negotiate a settlement or something. It's something that I found unusual, esp happening right around that whole issue that our nickelback had where he took himself out of the game or whatever.

I just get this feeling that we're waiting for Bryant to be declared healthy so we can cut him.


You mentioned in an earlier post about how our FO creates needs. I can agree with this. It is something I don't understand. I get that we like to set precedent in how we plan to deal with folks in the future, but guys like Bryant have been on the team for awhile and have shown themselves to be good players. Why create a new need?

If he recovers well, I'd like to keep him. Something makes me think we won't though. Therefore, hopefully Big Larry and Brantley step up. I don't have much faith in Xavier Rhodes and Meder really isn't a 3 tech

I agree w/your reasoning w/what the Browns will probably do. What I don't agree with is what the Browns will probably do. LOL

Couldn't we just cut him now if that's what we wanted to do?

Yes and no. If we cut him now we would have to get him to agree to an injury settlement.

can you please not derail Pastormarcs thread? This is about the front 4 , not another thread of you telling everyone how stupid they are.......again

Are you ever not in a sour mood?

no

Do not know how good we are but i would love to see the practices with a Greg Coleman defense against the new improved ol.

Don't know who Greg Coleman is but I would like to see that, too.

Given what they did with Barnidge on the surface it makes since to belief Bryant to be at risk of being cut. I do think there are some differences in circumstances. The FO was able to see what they considered erosion in Barnidge's production. That last time Bryant was on the field he was still playing at a highly productive level The guys behind Barnidge are judged to offer more athletically. The O-line improvements are calculated to lessen the need for his in-line blocking skills. The scheme at the TE position doesn't call for the type of rotation that William's defensive scheme will demand if guys are expected to sell out on every play.

Bryant is a decent if not great interior pass rusher. I'm not sure that either Ogunjobi or Brantley today, have the same skillset. Brantley, if he stays, has more of that potential but Williams will have to put a foot up his backside to get it out of him. Until that materializes I hope they don't just kick Dez to the curb.

At this time Bryant seems like a more certain asset than either Cooper or Nasib inside.

Xavier Cooper, Nate Orchard, Carl Nassib, and Emmanuel Ogbah, need to be given time, get out of their way and let them play football and I think we've got a couple of stars in this league.

Jamie Meder will probably lose his starting role but not his spot on the roster. The additons of Garrett, Brantley, and Ogunjobi, probably means someone like Gabe Wright, won't make the team.

I won't be surprised to see Jabrill Peppers opposite Collins in coverage linebacker roles.

I think Meder will be on the bubble. I see Bryant as being cut when healthy.

forgot about Gabe Wright. I was kind of intrigued when we signed him, but you're probably correct

I agree with your assessment. I think that it will be a mistake to cut him this season.

Cooper has shown very little development in two seasons of play and is in no way close to the level of talent of Bryant.

I don't like to push rookie DT into a starting role until they have learned the nuances of the position vs the pro OL and offensive looks.

On paper, I agree. I think Bryant has come to the crossroads whether he can stay healthy for a full season. I am a big fan of Bryant. I hate this time where vets are on the bubble in their careers.

This is where I get really frustrated when teams, and fans, decide to blow it up. Bryant was a good player who never saw the right opportunity.

I won't like a Bryant cut...just like I didn't like the Barnidge cut...however, we know that Ogunjobi and Brantley are likely going to make the team. Cooper will have to show better to stick, but from what I understand, he's been miscast in his role(s) since he got here. (I suppose we could say the same for Bryant.)

Assuming Meder is Shelton's backup (which I am certainly not sure of), Bryant is facing a two-pronged #'s game. His age number and the number of younger guys who play the same position.

We are going to cut some DL guys who will be picked up by other teams...and by 'other teams' I mean more than just the Broncos.

I think that it is also likely that one of our rookie DTs will backup Shelton.

We signed Bryant in FA only after his high play at DT and then used him as a 5t, which was not best suited to his attributes as you have pointed out with Cooper also.

My point is that regardless of age, Bryant is the better of the two veterans and unless you foresee Cooper in the Browns future plans, then the age thing becomes a moot point imo.

I agree. I'm wondering if one of those rookie DTs backing up Shelton makes Meder expendable. I really like Meder because he's such a good guy, but even though we just re-signed him he is a one-trick pony to my eye.

Unfortunately I am thinking that Bryant may be gone even if he's better than Cooper right now. I think he will have to show as the best 3T we have in order to stick. Meaning if he's not #1, he's out. I wouldn't do that, but that's what I think will happen.

The quickest takeaway from this for me is simple: we are deep on the DLine now.

If you don't fit, you won't have a spot here.
If you aren't talented for your role, you won't have a spot here.

We no longer have room for guys in that room that are not an ideal fit for their role or have the talent level of "just a guy".

It's a pretty good problem to have, especially when running a 4-3.

I agree. Fantastic problem to have, even if that means seeing a good player get cut.

Williams has a wide variety of talent and players with strengths to mold his defense his. I just hope Jamie Meder is part of that mold, I just love the kid!

I would rather we kept 9 on the DL as opposed to 8, with Meder as a part of that group. With that said we would be keeping more on rhe DL and taking away one from another position. Eventually injuries tend to dictate numbers of every group.

Guys like Cooper and Orchard simply arent good enough to make the final 53.
You are either part of the solution or part of the problem
Farmer believed all their hype out of college and as a result neither has made a impact with the Browns
Blown draft picks by the worst GM in the NFL going back 5 Years.
The film doesn't lie on those 2.

The Browns had and have had the worst run defense in the NFL for a reason.

-This is the first time in a long time that I've felt confident in our DT depth.

-More than likely, we won't be keeping nearly as many LB's as we have in the past.

-Someone else mentioned Orchard. I'm still iffy on him, but I think he'll be put on the line vs the LB spot. He may contribute some in a backup role.

I agree. That is why some players who we have come to know will probably get pushed off the team. We are getting to the point where guys who were starters, or spot starters might not make the team.

Not only are we deep but the core group is locked up for 3 more years minimum.

If both of them play on the defensive line, then there's no way both make it. I too agree though, I doubt either player makes it.