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When I consider what we did this year in the draft, knowing the new guys from last year now have a year under their belt, the staff has a year and made a nice addition at DC, I think we are a pretty good team, at least on paper.

I'd say a 5 or 6.

I am not saying that will translate to 8-9 wins, but it could.

I'm on a FB page called Cleveland Browns 4 Life. Most who post there are either rah-rah fans who think this draft just made the Browns a 10-12 win team, or disillusioned fans who don't believe the Browns will ever be good. I just posted the following, which pretty much fits into this thread;

I am a Browns fan. I like what the Browns are doing. We will have a better team in 2017 than we did in 2016. But let's be realistic. We were the worst team in the NFL last year. We just had a great draft, but we weren't a team that was a few good rookies away from contention. And let's face it, our opponents got better too.

Rookies that make immediate impacts are rare, about 5/year. Last year Dallas scored big by getting 2 in one draft. What is by far more common is that players begin to have an impact in their 2nd or 3rd year in the league. It takes time for even good players to adjust to the difference between the NFL and college ball.

This year I expect 2-3 players from the 2016 draft to make an impact. I suspect C Coleman to step up as a WR and S Coleman will become our starting RT. I think the addition of Garrett will take pressure off Ogbah allowing him to take a step forward. Nassib should be able to specialize on rushing downs.

From this year's draft, Garrett should have immediate impact. Peppers could too if 1) DC Williams can use him as a wildcard, and 2) Peppers can improve his cover skills to add to his run defense skills. If we can get impact from those 2 players, added to the FA additions to the O-line, we should be good for 4-5 wins.

Kizer will need time to correct his mechanics. Most of the other rookies will need time to adjust to the speed and power of the NFL. The only other rookie I see possibly making day 1 impact is Gonzalez, the kicker we took in the 7th round. That kid holds several NCAA records and has the potential to be a great kicker.

I think our defense should be improved. Williams, Garrett, Peppers (in Williams' role), and another year of experience for Ogbah, Nassib, Kirksey should make for a good unit.

I think our offensive line is improved, granted they stay healthy.

I think our QB and WR positional groups are the worst in the NFL

On paper we've definitely improved, potentially significantly. But until we hit the field, I can't give us anything other than that 1 we ended last season with.

QB, maybe, although I would argue the Jets and maybe the 49ers, maybe even Jacksonville is worse.

Our WRers on the other man, no way. Jets, 49ers, Buffalo are all far worse, IMO.

Pi.

Repeating decimal, undefined seems poetically appropriate.

Hope they are closer to double that if the newbies produce.

Last year was a 1. Results are hard to argue with!

I think the injuries last year were significant and took what otherwise might have been a 4 or 5 win team (still not good and one of the worst in the NFL) to being rock bottom.

This year we have a lot going on - the return of injured players on the OL - and FA additions on the OL. If we can stay 'relatively' healthy on the OL and have some consistent starters learning to gel with each other - I think this will really make a big difference. Both in the Run game firstly and then the Passing game.

At QB it would be hard to think of a worse situation - back up 3rd round QB thrown into the starting roll due to two injuries. Whether it's Kessler or Kizer (I'm discounting Brock because of a number of factors, but if others think he is our best starter ... no worries) they will be behind an improved OL - and they will prep to start. Kessler didn't take ANY 1st team reps last year till week 3 when he started if I am not mistaken ..... Kessler in year 2 - whether or not he can throw harder, should really have worked hard to throw downfield. I have reasonable expectations for "decent" QB play this year. Decent would be a big upgrade from last year.

Biggest question area for me is WR - Britt I don't know much about. I liked Pryor a LOT because the dude is a beast of an athlete ... the WR rookies last year need to step up. Coleman I have high hopes for but man does he need to show me. He needs to turn up and be good every single game. I am excited to see Njoku, and i am expecting some learning bumps - but also expecting to see some highlight reel stuff.

Defense - is all pressure. What difference can Greg Williams, Myles Garrett, Collins, Peppers and a healthy Haden do? How much better will Shelton and Ogbah be with a stud added to the line demanding attention. . . . without those cast of characters ratcheting up pressure on the QB I think the defense will continue to struggle very much. If they can get pressure - then Taylor, Haden, BBC and the rookie Wilson might be OK. Safety is another ? I see peppers as an attacking player who will often be up to the LOS. Not sure who is going to step up as the deep cover safety.

I think the D has potential but I can see learning and growing pains.

I fully expect 4 or 5 wins. I would not be shocked if we did better *IF* Kessler or Kizer step up and perform above expectations. Kessler out performed expectations last year ... I'd love for him to do so again. We'll see more in a few months. I am hoping the team improves to a 5 or 6 this year and with next years draft collateral we are in the playoff hunt 2018.

We'll be a 1 until we can get at least 4 wins.


Consistently.

I believe that depends on whether you're looking at a talent standpoint or a W/L standpoint.

I believe we added a good bit of talent.

But from a standpoint of W's I don't believe the impact will be as significant.

We have a lot of young players and will implementing an entire new D.

I believe the dividends will be seen more so over seasons three through five of the regime far more than year two for the reasons I listed.

We're moving in the right direction. I say, with the free agent signings, and the draft, we have become a 4 out of 10. A 5 win season, in which we look respectable in our losses is not asking too much.

Until the Browns get the QB position settled on 1 long term guy
It's always gonna be a team around 3 to 4 on the 10 scale.
Show me a playoff team and I will show you a team who's qb position begins and end with one QB.
All we know now it's the 2nd year of the Harvard Bogs plan.
Progress to me isn't 4 5 wins
It's 7 to 8 this year.
Last year the Browns hit Rock bottom. You can't get worse than the product on the field last year.
Theirs talent but it's another year of a new scheme on defense
The offense is stronger on the oline but still too many question and youth on both sides of the ball.

Am confident we will be twice as good as last year!!!

Not sure I totally understand how to rate our team.

Is the 1 because we won 1 game or because we just completely sucked?

Is the 4 because you think we will win 4 games or that we have moved almost up to the midway point of all NFL teams?

If it is the latter, I think the 4 is way high. If it is about wins......I think we win 2-4 games, so that is feasible.

We have three major issues .......well four major issues, in my opinion:

1. I seriously doubt we have a qb on the roster who will be good enough to help us win games this year. Kizer might end up becoming that guy, but I doubt he'll do it this year. Kessler is fool's gold.

2. Our WRs are terrible. Replacing Pryor w/Britt hurts. Coleman is an immature hothead w/questionable hands. The rest are guys that many will make fun of in a few years.

3. Our secondary is the perhaps the worst in football. We don't have a FS. Our new SS can't cover, which will put more pressure on an already weak secondary. Haden is always hurt and he is so freaking slow. Taylor should be a nickle or dime guy and gave up 5 TDs. We are so weak here and I am very disappointed we did not address this unit like we should have in the draft.

4. We don't have many guys on this team who have won. We don't know how to win. We lost 15 freaking games last year. Man, that's tough to overcome. We've seen it before. The Browns compete all game and then lose it at the end. We think it's uncanny, but there is a real reason.......we never have experienced how to win............except for that one year when DA worked some magic.

I believe if this team would have been able to trade for Jimmy G........they would have made significant progress. However, we'll probably be drafting in the top 3 next year.

Kessler is silver. We know he's not the best, and no one will pretend that he is. I liken him to Colt McCoy. On the right day, he can get you a W.

Garoppalo is your "fool's gold." Glad the FO didn't make a move for him.

The reasonable man in me says, 3/4 or tops it's a 5.

The guy looking through those brown colored glasses says SUPERBOWL (kidding)

Last year, I might give a 0. There were many factors that played a part in this ranking but they were bad.

My preseason 1-10 rank will be a 3.5. Hopefully as the season progresses and our OL and QB play improve we can get to a 5-6.

A 5-6 IMO gives us 4-5 wins. If we were to earn 6-7 wins after a 1-15 season I think an 8 would be deserved. This is for the Browns independently and not to be judged where they finish in the standings.

Last year would be a 1 as the scale is 1-10. If zero was allowed, then I would go 0.

I see the scale as absolute, not relative. So a 5-win season would have the same rating following a 1-win season as it would following an 9-win season.

Right now, I would bump them to a 2. We look better on paper (new G, new C, Garrett) so the improvement to 2. I need to see some results before it goes higher.

I will start with the premise that last year was a 1. The additions of starters/equal backups on the OL + 1.5. Njuko/Kiser/Osweiller vs McCown/RGIII/Barnidge a wash atm. Defensive rookies, Williams as coach, return of Bryant will be another + 1.5, until proven better. Britt vs Pryor, another wash.

So on a 1 - 10 sliding scale I have this years team a below average 4, but improving.

OK, 1 for last season. I would expect the first quarter of this year to be marginally improved (2-3?) and steadily showing improvement through the last quarter which I hope to be a rating of 6-7. So many variables though...

I think it's realistic to want us to be an outside-shot-at-playoff type team in 2018, with 2019 being a playoff year.

Next year's draft class should be the one to put us at the next level IMO

Trying to piece together a 10-scale into wins but can't quite do it..

1) 0-1 win
2) 2-3 wins
3) 4-5 wins
4) 6-7 wins
5) 8 wins
6) 9 wins
7) 10-11 wins
8) 12-13 wins
9) 14-15 wins
10) 16 wins

I guess we'd be a 3 with a chance at a 4...

I'd be surprised if we got more than 5 wins .. I think that's our ceiling (Vegas agrees). I just don't think we have the QB (obviously) or weapons on O to do it

There's no reason to grade them high. We won one game last year and I don't buy into the "we at least was competitive" as much as a few people I've talked with. A win is a win, a loss is a loss.

As of today, I'm going with a 4.5 - 5 grade with the almost "positive" hope that we'll be a better, improved and more established team than last year (which doesn't take a whole lot.)

I'll give them a TWO, and I'm perfectly fine with that. I don't expect them to win more then a handful of games this year, but Rome wasn't built overnight either. Take a look at the Chicago Cubs. They were stripped down and were horrible for several seasons. When the pieces were finally in place, they were the best team in baseball. As long as they keep trending upwards, I'm fine with it.

We didn't add any legitimate offensive game changers IMO. So the way I look at it we'll have a decent improved defense with pretty much the same offense. If and I repeat IF... a bunch of guys don't step up big on "O" we're going to look pretty much like last year. I'm not expecting more than a 6-14 record. But that can improve if the offense steps up big this year IMO.

As it stands I'll give them a 4

The December rating probably will be significantly higher than the May rating...

In a passing league we have terrible pass D and terrible pass O.

Miles was a + on pass rush but our Db's are bad, very bad.

The receivers are nothing special, no #1 receiver...


I could be wrong, but if Coleman confirms his bust status and Njoku does not improve his catching (doubt it)and Peppers shows some football insticts to play the SS position (doubt it also), I think that we are looking at 1-2 Wins this season....

If we don't win 1 game until the bye, I think the team will implode and they will all be fired..

We have had 2 drafts under Sashi, Hue and Company, and there is definitely a good feel around this team with the addition of some real NFL talent, I would give us a 5 because we are still young overall, but I feel we are on the upswing and would not be surprised with 6 wins in 2017 and if we could get to 8 wins I would be overjoyed, knowing with this group and the addition of more talent with lots of money to spend in FA and another loaded draft in 2018 that the future may be a lot closer than we could have imagined at the end of 2016, and if we find our QB in the group we have now it would come even quicker. ... JMHO

+1, nicely stated, however I don't see your rating of 4- think that might be a tad high, 3 better for me.

As others have stated, being in games and losing doesn't count- we were 1-15 last year for all the reasons everyone has posted- how anyone thinks we'll get 6 wins this year is beyond me. Seeing is believing- 2 wins is 100% better than last year- looking at schedule- don't see many wins- hope I'm wrong.

If we win only 3-5 games I hope we don't blow everything up. I believe in coach and FO- time will tell. Go Browns!!!

I think our talent level has improved. I like the direction, bar a few bumps in the road. I hope that last year's crop matures, Shelton becomes a pro-bowler, as well as Collins and one of the secondary because that would mean we've taken a huge step forward on defense. That is my main hope and where it lies - the defense moving out of the cellar into the middle 3rd. Our offense - I'm not sure - it all depends on the QB play. If we can get even average play, I think we could win 5 games. Hell, we should have won 2-3 last year.

I'm optimistic but love is blind not dumb

If the addition of talent doesn't bring wins, how is that improvement?

I would beg to differ. I've been plenty dumb in my love lifetime.

I know, I couldn't think of a wittier thing to say and my wife reads over my shoulder sometimes so I need to keep her on her toes Kidding, kidding.....