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RB Isaiah Crowell has signed his tender with the @Browns.


I guess we all assumed he would, but he's officially back for this year

+1

Cool. One less thing to worry about, should get elevated play behind an improved line if we give him the carries.
Anyone think another RB in that room pushes him for playing time?

I've read where we like the guy we signed from the Cowboys (Darius Jackson?) and his SPARQ was very high. Dayes (who we drafted in the 7th) may also get a look.

I bet this will be Crow's last year in CLE. Just a hunch.

Yeah dude, reason I asked was that I saw on Twitter the other day that the team were real high on our other dude, George Atkinson III. Both guys I know nothing about. The latter is a Notre Dame guy I see.

Atkinson was our returner the last part of the season IIRC. I don't think he did much running in 2016. But I bet he gets some in TC/preseason.

Crow's on a one year contract ... that motivated him last year ... will more than likely motivate him again ...

Once he gets a multi year deal .. Its a safe bet that he goes back to being the underachiever he's been since HS ...

After this year ... i pray we part ways ... whoever signs this man long term is going to regret it ...

Atkinson had a cup of coffee t ND ... he ran way to upright ... that may have been fixed but that was just the starting point ...

He looked like a track guy playing football .. I'm not expecting much out of him ..

smh.

I may not be as against signing him as you, but I tend to agree. I don't see Crow as a "special" back. He's a good back. The thing is that there are a lot of good backs out there. I think the FO feels the same way.

The question I ask is, how hard would it be to replace him? I don't think it would be very hard.

Truk, that was on point, LOL.

To me the error in the "long term deal will spoil him" argument is the guy's been working hard on a UDFA scale contract for three years. He's actually improved each year over that time.

I do think the FO has a specific valuation on him. Just like with Collins and Pryor too. It will be reasonable and fair and approximate his value on the open market. Like Collins and Pryor it's 50/50 whether he'll take that deal.

Good to hear. Thanks for the post! Been wondering about his tender status. Run him more. Hope line additions really help this along. Duke, too.

ask heckert how hard it s to find even a average RB lol

Yo refs ... where's the clueless emoji ... we really need one of those around here ...

did Heckert draft Hardesty? I can't even remember all of the regimes/drafts. It's all jumbled.

IIRC we traded several picks to move up and grab Montario too. What a waste.

Good news,, now, work on a long term deal.....

Wow, I forgot all about Hardesty. I'd guess Heckert did draft him given that Heckert was here as GM from 2010 to 2012 so the timeline fits.

Good job by the FO.

A few points about Crow:

--I don't think he gets enough credit on this board. Not sure why? People defend other players, but Crow always seems to get dissed.

--Diam, we've been down this road before. What you are saying isn't exactly true because the guy was SEC Freshman of the Year and he put up huge numbers after he left Georgia.

--Also, Crow was a UDFA. West was drafted in the 3rd round, I believe. The Browns also Brought in the hot-shot Tate, from Houston. Crow was behind both and many did not think he would even make the team. He worked his way into playing time.

--He had a pretty good year w/Shanny, but Flip never ran the ball.

--Last year, Hue said he was the man and that is why he performed. Well.........kinda performed, because.....

--Crow was up among the league leaders in rushing and then teams figured out Kessler. They took the running game away and Hue eventually took carries away from Crow.

--I'm hoping that Kessler is not our starter this year, because others on offense, like Crow, will suffer for it.

Didn't see this thread was made until I posted in the other.

Basically, it was his best decision. Need him to play hard, stay opposite of stupid off the field and enjoy what should be fun running lanes for him to take advantage of with our new linemen additions.

I bet our plan is to motivate him to have another good year, let him walk next year and sign elsewhere ... which would garner us a mid round compensatory pick, which we could use on a young RB

Crow still finished the year 9th in yards per carry as well. If he was under-anything it was underutilized.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt

I do think Crow is underrated, but I think it is somewhat due to his unreached potential. He has good numbers, but they could be better if not for the inexplicable stumbles. He's also shown a tendency to trip himself up off the field. Not necessarily fair, but good things players do aren't talked about as much. I'm for re-signing Crow, he's so close to being a stud. He could stand to improve his balance with Kizer.

Before they play for us, posters tend to focus on the positives. After they've played for us, we hear more about the negatives.

The way you feel about attitudes towards Crow, I feel about your attitude towards Kessler. (Not that strongly-not trying to start an argument) Yes, he left something to be desired last year, but he was a mid round rookie who wasn't supposed to play, behind a porous OL, with receivers with raw route running, and his "dependable safety nets" (Duke/Barnidge) didn't do him many favors.

Yes, the lack of a deep passing game may have affected the running game, but it's also possible the lack of a dependable running game affected the deep passing game. I think penetration up the middle hurt both. Hopefully, a solidified OL will allow both to improve. I'm curious to see how Kessler looks, and if his supposed increased arm strength shows up noticeably. I actually think Kessler is the best option for Crow to have early success this season, mainly due to ability to manage the offense/huddle and familiarity with the system. Probably not very reassuring to you.

Hmmmmm.........not saying you are wrong or arguing w/you in a mean way. We have different opinions and that's a good thing as long as we keep it civil.

Kessler was one of the guys I was thinking of when I mentioned that Crow was underappreciated. I'm astounded at how much respect he gets on here. Heck, Hue has criticized him for the very same things I am criticizing him for. Other guys like Erving, Haden, C. Coleman are defended even though they performed way worse than Crow.

We don't have to agree. Just voicing my opinion. I like Crow. I'm happy the FO did enough to keep him and as of right now, I hope that they can work something out w/him moving forward.

Agreed. I like the Crow too.

I'm not sure he'll be here next year though. Just seemed like last season when FA came around RBs went all over the place. But I don't see anyone that's going to just step up and replace him past this season. Duke wouldn't be able to stay healthy to be a full-time RB.

Like I saide, I like Crow too. If we sign him again, I have no problem. I just have a feeling we might not. My sense is the FO thinks younger and cheaper is better at that position. That's whi I don't know if we will resign him.

But we need to use the guy. If you remember back to the gameday forums, it chapped my butt we didn' run him more.

Interesting take on Kessler, and I agree. Unless he made some serious changes, teams are still going to make Kessler beat us and the running lanes are going to be stacked.

I agree with most of what Vers says here. Crow is a good back and has the ability and talent to be a 1000 yard back yearly. He's got the ability to get tough yards and has the potential to break off a long one at any time.

Disagree with Vers that he got screwed by Kessler though. I think he got screwed by the defence as we constantly got behind and had to shift to heavy passing, letting the defenders pin their ears back and beat the hell out of our offensive line. Crow strikes me as the kinda back that needs to get into a groove running the ball so he's got to be fed the ball consistently.

With an upgraded Oline and a better defence that should keep us in games, I'm expecting a 1000 yard season out of Crow.

+1, my feelings/view are same, our D got us behind in most games and our injured O line couldn't keep the other team off our QBS- every QB we tried got hurt- Kessler the rookie who shouldn't have played except we had no one else did.

Crow's PR problem with knife slash isn't forgettable- he fixed it properly, but JMHO that isn't what we expect out of BROWNS players- I doubt the FO has forgotten it.

Like us all- Crow needs to take care of Crow- wants more cares, wants long term contract/security. Will be interesting to see how this season plays out AND if he gets long term contract....time will tell.....GO Browns!!!!

NRTU,

Somebody mentioned that the team might part ways with Crow in part because they want to stay younger at the RB position. Crowell is only 24 years old. If we signed him to 4 years he would just be at his physical peak at the end of that contract. So I don't think his age is a deterrent to him staying in Cleveland.

If the Instagram thing was a major factor for the team I don't think we would have tendered him with a 2nd round tender or we would have actively tried trading him at the end of the season. I think it might linger with fans but I think money is the overriding factor in this situation. I think the team and Crow are pretty far apart on the total dollars being negotiated.

Excellent points.

I agree with everything you said, except I think running backs peak much earlier than other positions. Crowell is probably in his prime right now.

I don't know. Maybe you're not one of them but some posters say he has under performed. Part of that is the team having the tendency to abandon the run in games where we get behind. Fewer touches means less wear physically. So there are those who say he's not worth signing because he has't been productive.

Now there is a faction suggesting he's too old and by inference his skills are eroding. It can't be both at the same time.

I am saying running backs, in general, age faster than other positions. Crowell has had less carries than other backs, but if he is successful he will start to put a bunch of tread of his tires. He will then be discarded like every other "older" running back.

As I recall we lead the league in rushing right up to the point where Mack went down for the year.

The age of drop off is 30. He still has a ways to go.

maybe the fact that crow didn't play at a high level in college will save some wear and tear too

Dawgpound, I don't think Mack was with us. I think Vers is referring to this past season. I think the Crow was leading the league through the first 3 or 4 games from memory. Then it all went down the pan.
Probably a combo of as was mentioned, teams forcing Kessler to beat them, OL shuffles and team in a hole so we abandoned the run and limited carries.

Just a few more observations. Throw away comments are made every year around these here parts and for me, they don't always ring true.

Pitt/Balt are in decline with age this year.
We can pick any wide receiver up to replace production
RB can be found to replace production.


I don't know why this stuff gets regurgitated as Balt and Pitt seem to keep rolling on (and keep rolling us!)
The WR position has been a mess for years.
The mythical RB that supposedly grows trees never materialises.

It was Overtoads man crush, Reuben Droughns that broke our 1000yd drought and for all those years it almost sounded that we could put any runner in to gain production. But we never found one.
It's for this reason, I like that we signed the Crow. He's a red zone machine, he doesn't fumble and I think he can get to 1500 with consistency in his OL and decent QB production.

lol no sir, you are correct. I must be getting old dang

j/c

Who was our best RB since 99? Droughns? Crow? Lewis?