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Like I've said many times ... without a wall were simply sending them home on vacation ... 15 FRICKIN TIMES ... DISGUISTING!!!!

6 year old boy has a fractured skull ... no worries though cause it didn't affect any of the libs on this board .. NO BIGGIE cause the odds are so small ... ask this family about the odds ... need there number OCD, Swish (how old r your daughters?), Perfect, Portland, Rocket ...

Maybe u guys can give them a buzz and explain the ODDS TO THEM ....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/us/hit-and-run-suspect-deported-15-times-trnd/

Cops: DUI suspect who struck a family returning from Disneyland had been deported 15 times

Story highlights
DUI hit-and-run suspect was in the country illegally, first deported in 2002
His latest run-in with border authorities was earlier this year

(CNN)A mother, father and their 6-year-old son were returning from a trip to Disneyland when, according to the survivors' family, a man in a pickup truck turned a corner, smashed into their car and sped off.

The suspect, Constantino Banda-Acosta, was a man that border agents say had been deported 15 times over the span of 15 years.

In a statement provided to CNN, ICE confirmed that Banda-Acosta "has been repatriated to Mexico at least 15 times since 2002, most recently in January 2017." He -- and another man arrested in connection with the crash -- were both "Mexican nationals in the country illegally," the statement said. ICE is planning to take Banda-Acosta into custody once he is released by the San Diego police, who arrested him. He was charged with DUI, hit-and-run and driving without a license.

The crash happened Saturday in San Ysidro. The family was a block away from its home when their car was struck by a truck that blew a stop sign. The back seat on the driver's side took the brunt of the impact, CNN affiliate KGTV reported. That's where the couple's 6-year-old son, Lennox, was sitting. Lennox was taken Rady Children's Hospital with serious head injuries. A representative from the hospital said the boy is listed in "serious condition."

San Ysidro, the area in San Diego where the crash occurred, is about as close as one can get to the US-Mexico border. In fact, the neighborhood goes right up to the border in some places, and even its northernmost reaches are about two miles away from it.

CNN's Stella Chan in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

Sad , sad story ..

Building a wall I agree with.

More and more I've been pushed to the left because of social issues and healthcare.

But I see no problem with building a wall on our southern border.

To think Mexico will pay for it is ridiculous. But building a wall makes sense to me, if only to stem the amount of people coming in. We're a country, we have the right to do whatever we want with our borders.


As to the people who are already here, my theory is, if you haven't committed a major crime, there should be some sort of path to amnesty and citizenship. That is for people who are illegal with expired green cards and that is for undocumented folks as well.

We should at least know who the heck is here.


I see it like this, you've got a boat and a hole in it. Water is being let in. What's the first thing you do? You plug the hole. After that, you can figure out what to do with the water that's in it. But priority one is always plugging the hole.

The Democrats in Washington are doing a good job of representing their constituents...

They don't work either!

That's a sad story... But not a good reason for a wall.

I'm not going to look it up again but if you look at how many Mexicans (and others) come in from the southern border, you will see that the number has decreased over time.

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that the decrease is due to an improved economy in Mexico.

The other things is, the wall will not stop folks from crossing the boarder by going around it on either side, or over it in a plane.

It's simply not the answer.

We need to be vigilant along out borders (all of them) but a wall isn't the answer all by itself. They Still tunnel under, they still go around it on either side and they still somehow, get plane flights over it.


Again, by saying this, I'm not attempting to lessen the terrible thing that your story talks about. Not in the least.

That truly is a sad story.

I feel for the family....

Yes, it wouldn't stop everyone, but it would stem the amount. If it's harder to cross, we're gonna have less.

And this really isn't about Mexicans. It's about everyone in Central America, Guatemalans, Nicuraguans, Hondurans, El Salvadorians, and so on. People always think Mexico, but at this point, it's a lot of folks from those countries traveling through Mexico, up to our border.


And the biggest thing is, if you take a plane here, we at least know who you are. I always explain this to my wife, who at one point was an "illegal". She had to clear through customs to get here. They knew her name, they knew she entered the country. Undocumented folks are that, they are undocumented. There's no official record of them entering the country. To me, that's a big issue.

And like I said, I don't want to kick out all these people. It would be impossible. Families would be broken up, and that just sets up disaster. BUT, I'd like to at least get a better idea of who is here and who isn't (and make it harder for people who are trying to get here by crossing that southern border, so that we do get less)

We don't need a stupid wall. For every terrorizing story that you all post here about the evil illegal aliens, you can find 1000 more on other equally evil things going on. A wall is not going to stop illegal immigration or even slow it down.

Do you really think it is even possible to build a 'wall' on our southern border? It's not in many places. This is just wasteful spending to alleviate the fear of non-existent boogeymen. There is no hoard of monsters trying to cross the border.

There are however a few bad apples that manage to come here and commit a crime. You will not stop that with a stupid wall that keeps nobody out.

Most illegals coming into this country contribute to our economy, tax base, and society as a whole. Most are salt of the earth hard working people just looking to improve their lives. They are not taking your jobs. They are not draining our resources. They are not hurting you in anyway.

sad story

Will a wall really stop him and others from getting in? Not likely.

And why stop at a wall? ban alcohol, ban all drugs, and ban cars too, that's the only way to stop the 1.5 million DUIs each year.

That and better public transportation. When I lived in Chicago, I never had to worry about it. Wife and I would go out, catch subways/buses wherever we were going. At the end of the night, we'd catch a cab home. Anything beats out DUI. Same thing with when we go into NYC.

lol

Ban lumber too, stop those splinter boo boos!

Stupid. Allowing 11 million foreigners to invade your Country is just plain Liberal Stupid.

Throughout our history we have brought immigrants into America but they had to pass through the system. We separated out the sick and criminal.

You guys foolishly allow America to be invaded with your open border policies. We have no clue what is coming in.

The irony is that there were 11.3 million estimated in 2009 when the last liberal president took over. While 300k reduction may not be huge, it certainly is a lot better than with the president previous to that liberal guy where the numbers went from 8.6 million to 12.2 million (and back down to 11.3m). Those damn liberals.

And while Mexicans may be the largest number of illegals, they are no longer the majority. From the Bush peak of 6.9m the most recent estimates are 5.4m when that last liberal left office. Non-Mexicans are up to 5.7m. Illegals from Asia and Central America rose. The wall on the Mexican border will sure stop those Asians.

TO THE WINDOW!!!
TO THE WALL!!!
TIL THE SWEAT DROPS DOWN MY......

oops wrong kind of thread.

You can go on and on about the past Presidents but that is a waste of time.

We now have a President with the sense and guts to actually take on this travesty yet you Liberals won't get behind him.
Foolish.

How many liberals voted Democrat, Republican, and Libertarian in the same election cycle? I would hardly call me a liberal.

Funny how the last president took this on better than his predecessors (including conservatives) and you won't give him any credit, but the current guy is a hero for it because he wants to waste billions on a wall that will do nothing.

Foolish. Illegal immigration is currently down 60 percent under Trump.

Ex Presidents could only dream of coming close to that.

And all it took was a Leader with some guts.

I do not, nor will I ever say that all aliens will be stopped with or without a wall. I don't really believe there is a perfect solution. And if you go read my comment, I do think I made it clear that they are not all Mexicans. Just use that border.

What would help I think more than a wall, is more border guards. That does two things, it creates jobs (yeah, I know, government jobs but who else is going to do it)and it would allow our Border Patrol officers to cover more area, like the ones on either end of the Mexican border that are for the moment, are more or less completely open.

The best thing about more border patrol is that the cost is nothing compared to building a wall and if you or anyone else still thinks that Mexico will pay for it, yikes...LOL

To be clear on those numbers, they are based solely on southwest border apprehensions. While great numbers (and while illegal immigration numbers are likely down significantly), to say broadly that illegal immigration is down by 60% just isn't true.

And thank you for helping prove what I'm saying is correct. The wall is not needed if illegal crossings are down 60% without one.

FAKE NEWS!

While border patrol agents will help. Their salary doesn't stop. And government jobs take more than they give in terms of pay.

The question is, how many border patrol agents will it take to be as effective as a wall and how much will the yearly maintanence of this wall (and initial expenses) vs the cost of these extra border patrolmen per year

The real story is that there was a big uptick in illegal immigration during the campaign and it has dropped back off to normal now.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...61-percent-ele/

No, not fake, just an under educated reader.

Trump said, "Since the day of my election, we've already cut illegal immigration at the Southern border by 61 percent."

While U.S. Customs and Border Protection does not provide border apprehension statistics for specific dates, monthly data show a 60 percent decline from the month of the presidential election, November 2016, to February 2017.

Experts said other factors should be considered in the decline and that it’s too early to tell whether low apprehensions will become the new norm or if they will increase in coming months, as they typically do.

We rate Trump’s statement Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...61-percent-ele/

Mostly true.

Not Fake and a lot higher than Lying Hillary every got.

And did you catch where they say...

"Experts said other factors should be considered in the decline and that it’s too early to tell whether low apprehensions will become the new norm or if they will increase in coming months, as they typically do."

This is the reason we need a Wall.

That's the spirit!

You can go on and on about the past Presidential Candidates but that is a waste of time.

I support a border wall. From the crime statistics I've seen, illegals actually have a lower crime rate per capita than our own citizens. So I won't try to accentuate or sensationalize illegal immigrant crime. I don't believe that adds anything of substance.

And while we are a nation of immigrants, those immigrants came though Ellis Island in a legal fashion. And as much as some wish to attempt to demonize those who support a border wall, we're only asking that people come here in a legal fashion.

It's funny how the left complains about low wages on one hand, then supports a flood of cheap labor that helps hold wages down. And those who claim illegals only do jobs we won't do, that's a flat out lie.

Temporary work visas were always a way to allow people to come here to do farm labor. I have no issue with that legal process. But to try and act like those are the only jobs they do is false. I've witnessed it first hand for those who wish to debate it.

So this is trumps fault too .. *LOL* ..

Typical lib ... maybe when it hits your house ... your opinion will change there menZa ...

1 + 1 = 2 has always been way to complicated for u ..

Guess it'll take your family member getting killed or raped before americans come before ILLEGALS ...

Funny, I used this exact article to make my point just before this post. And I'm the bad reader .

Well, yeah.. He's the one that told the american people that Mexico would pay for the wall.... so absolutely, it's his fault... Not even a little bit of a question.

That's probably the dumbest thing I've every seen you write.... Geez

Lol right. He is the sole person who made that claim, but now it's not his fault? Lololol

Well who knew how hard it would be?

When Trump builds the wall and Mexico pays for it thru a renegotiated NAFTA, you guys are gonna look like such fools.

You act like he has been Prez for years now but they are still counting it in days. So silly. So senseless. So impatient. So emotional.

Lol right. He is the sole person who made

Yup, he is the first one, the rest who said it were his puppets.. So yeah, it's his fault.