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You guys on the right crack me up not realizing that half of the crap you've bought into through your alt-right news sources is Russian Fake News designed to stir your biases! lol OMG you're gullible! Now I know why Putin is always smirking, he has y'all figured out and is your puppet master.

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Pizzagate had more "evidence" than this does.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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Pizzagate had more "evidence" than this does.


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Do you get all your news from internet memes and Fox News?

Here's an idea: why don't you debate in good faith? I specifically said that that both accusations (both Pizzagate and Trump-Russia collusion) fell well short of hard evidence. Of course you had to take that one snippet out of context. And yes, for as badly as Pizzagate failed, the Trump-Russia conspiracy theories have failed even worse.

I expect Swish to make stuff up, like when he said this, "its funny how you bring up pizzagate because you was one of the main dudes on this board talking about it when the story first dropped."

Swish, that is either a lie or you have a terrible memory. Main dudes who would bring that up... what are you talking about? Put up or shut up.

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Last time I mentioned Pizzagate was in response to another fake accusation from CHS: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...-in#Post1255842

He accused me of bringing up pizzagate, I asked him when, no response.

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The only other time pizzagate even comes up on a search to my name is this post: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...own#Post1221716

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I know the feeling, as I thought the same thing about Hillary and the Democrats. That's why I never involved myself in some of the more outlandish theories out there. (Pizzagate for example)


Pizzagate. Outlandish theory. Just like this wacko idea that Trump won this election because he colluded with Putin, and not because many millions of Americans liked his message on the campaign trail, and that Hillary was a terrible candidate.

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The Russians are not why we now have Trump.

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"Pizzagate. Outlandish theory. Just like this wacko idea that Trump won this election because he colluded with Putin, and not because many millions of Americans fell for his message on the campaign trail even though they were warned he'd never follow through (see Mexico paying for wall), and that Hillary was an absolutely trash terrible candidate."

Fixed it for you.


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Originally Posted By: Haus
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Pizzagate had more "evidence" than this does.


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Do you get all your news from internet memes and Fox News?

Here's an idea: why don't you debate in good faith? I specifically said that that both accusations (both Pizzagate and Trump-Russia collusion) fell well short of hard evidence. Of course you had to take that one snippet out of context. And yes, for as badly as Pizzagate failed, the Trump-Russia conspiracy theories have failed even worse.

I expect Swish to make stuff up, like when he said this, "its funny how you bring up pizzagate because you was one of the main dudes on this board talking about it when the story first dropped."

Swish, that is either a lie or you have a terrible memory. Main dudes who would bring that up... what are you talking about? Put up or shut up.

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Last time I mentioned Pizzagate was in response to another fake accusation from CHS: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...-in#Post1255842

He accused me of bringing up pizzagate, I asked him when, no response.

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The only other time pizzagate even comes up on a search to my name is this post: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...own#Post1221716

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I know the feeling, as I thought the same thing about Hillary and the Democrats. That's why I never involved myself in some of the more outlandish theories out there. (Pizzagate for example)


Pizzagate. Outlandish theory. Just like this wacko idea that Trump won this election because he colluded with Putin, and not because many millions of Americans liked his message on the campaign trail, and that Hillary was a terrible candidate.


Because your assertion is absurd! There is a ton of new and developing circumstantial evidence that something is 'there' there with the Trump/Russia connection. At the end of the day it might all be innocent coincidence, but there are so many connections/details coming out every day that only an absolute fool would say anyone is wasting their time investigating this.

Personally I think Trump is going down at this point. He cut a deal and the facts are going to come out. His untimely firing of Comey screams it was effort to interfere with the investigation and evade justice. Trump wants to be emperor, not President.

Before this Comey firing I had more doubts but still wanted this investigated. I don't take any sort of joy in seeing the office of POTUS being embroiled in scandal, but I don't trust the man.

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Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
"Pizzagate. Outlandish theory. Just like this wacko idea that Trump won this election because he colluded with Putin, and not because many millions of Americans fell for his message on the campaign trail even though they were warned he'd never follow through (see Mexico paying for wall), and that Hillary was an absolutely trash terrible candidate."

Fixed it for you.

That's reasonable. I haven't followed politics quite as closely as I did during the campaign but there is definitely some truth in what you added. I'm kind of in a 'wait and see', get other stuff done kind of mode right now. This politics thing gets tiring.

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So you had two guys claim you brought up pizzagate before? I'm not definitely sure you brought it up when it first dropped. I don't know how to do the search, but I know for sure that thread popped up after Election Day late 2016.

And that's how bad you are.

All that I posted and hit you with, and all you can do is response is whine about pizzagate?

I hit you with a direct response to your question about the Russian allegations and you dodged.

Kick rocks, it's now official that you're defending trump for no other reason than you voted for him. You know he's a piece of crap like everyone else, but you're holding on for dear life praying that none of it is true.

Your boy is a scumbag, straight up.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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Pizzagate had more "evidence" than this does.


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Do you get all your news from internet memes and Fox News?

Here's an idea: why don't you debate in good faith? I specifically said that that both accusations (both Pizzagate and Trump-Russia collusion) fell well short of hard evidence. Of course you had to take that one snippet out of context. And yes, for as badly as Pizzagate failed, the Trump-Russia conspiracy theories have failed even worse.

I expect Swish to make stuff up, like when he said this, "its funny how you bring up pizzagate because you was one of the main dudes on this board talking about it when the story first dropped."

Swish, that is either a lie or you have a terrible memory. Main dudes who would bring that up... what are you talking about? Put up or shut up.

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Last time I mentioned Pizzagate was in response to another fake accusation from CHS: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...-in#Post1255842

He accused me of bringing up pizzagate, I asked him when, no response.

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The only other time pizzagate even comes up on a search to my name is this post: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...own#Post1221716

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I know the feeling, as I thought the same thing about Hillary and the Democrats. That's why I never involved myself in some of the more outlandish theories out there. (Pizzagate for example)


Pizzagate. Outlandish theory. Just like this wacko idea that Trump won this election because he colluded with Putin, and not because many millions of Americans liked his message on the campaign trail, and that Hillary was a terrible candidate.


Because your assertion is absurd! There is a ton of new and developing circumstantial evidence that something is 'there' there with the Trump/Russia connection. At the end of the day it might all be innocent coincidence, but there are so many connections/details coming out every day that only an absolute fool would say anyone is wasting their time investigating this.

Personally I think Trump is going down at this point. He cut a deal and the facts are going to come out. His untimely firing of Comey screams it was effort to interfere with the investigation and evade justice. Trump wants to be emperor, not President.

Confirmation bias is like that. When you are predisposed to thinking a certain way, when you desperately want something to be true, it is so easy to misjudge the strength of the evidence. And again, neither has any hard evidence. I could dig up some of the bizarrely out-of-context emails and pictures from Pizzagate that are obviously written in some kind of code, but what's the point? There's no real evidence.

There's no hard evidence because what the conspiracy people talked about almost certainly didn't happen. But if you really want it to be true, you can fit the emails to your theory and it all fits together well. It's the same idea behind how liberals can see a chance encounter between a "Trump associate" and "Russian official" (or however else the media dresses it up to sound meaningful) and make it sound like evidence of collusion.

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Oh, I didn't see where the fired National Security Adviser was trying to get an immunity deal or President Trump fired everybody trying to lead the investigation in the Pizzagate case. Could you post a link?

Maybe you could post a link to the Senate and House investigations of pizzagate and the bipartisan calls for a an independent investigation/special prosecutor?

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Haus still thinks Guccifer 2.0 is Romanian. Of course he thinks pizza gate has more evidence.

Also pizza gate was an investigation ran by the internet that turned up circumstantial and fudged evidence. Russia-Trump collusion requires a lot more evidence from people not on the internet and Republicans have delayed such investigations.

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It doesn't change the fact that you and Swish have both accused me of spewing stuff about Pizzagate, when the only thing I've ever said about Pizzagate before this thread is that it was an outlandish theory. And even in this thread, I am putting it roughly on the level of the Trump-Putin collusion theories... i.e. complete bunk.

About Guccifer 2.0, I do not know what nationality he is, and neither do you. If I am mistaken, then please tell me his real name.

He could be Romanian. He could be Russian. He could be American. He could be part of an intelligence agency; he could be a civilian. He could be a she. He/she could be multiple people. Hackers go to great lengths to disguise who they are-- they use proxies, TOR, tinker with data, use programs to rearrange their writing style so it can't be traced back to them, they often keep odd hours, etc. Anything along those lines is completely circumstantial.

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Haus, they enjoy hooking on to one thing and pound at it to frustrate you and drive you away. They do not listen to facts, its all a game to them.

Thinking with their emotions does not allow facts to enter their heads.

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Good call James Angleton. But that's pretty convenient to throw out all the evidence.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Good call James Angleton. But that's pretty convenient to throw out all the evidence.

You and I have had this same conversation many times. Unfortunately, we seem to have differing ideas on what constitutes evidence. I like to see (and hear) things like video, audio recordings, bank statements, and other hard evidence.

What I've actually seen are a whole bunch of coincidental meetings, acknowledgements that some people have gotten dismissed, and apparently there was a marketing server that had the Trump Organization's name on it that sent spam emails to a Russian bank (my memory on that is getting a little hazy so it's possible I goofed up on some of the minor details.)

edit: to address your quote more directly, nothing I wrote in the post above this one is groundbreaking. It's standard counterintel stuff and I'm by no means an expert in it. I'm sure others have far, far more sophisticated methods to disguise their identity.

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Yep. I choose to agree with people who track down hackers for a living. You choose to live like a bad James Angleton.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Yep. I choose to agree with people who track down hackers for a living. You choose to live like a bad James Angleton.

I'm sure the people who are on this case are very good at what they do, but it's hard to track down somebody who is skilled with tech whose freedom depends on not getting caught.

Evidence of this can be gleaned from the fact that we do not know who Guccifer 2.0 actually is.

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Haus, they enjoy hooking on to one thing and pound at it to frustrate you and drive you away. They do not listen to facts, its all a game to them.

Thinking with their emotions does not allow facts to enter their heads.


Now here is a good example of alternate reality! Maybe I can win some kind of science award from the GOP.

40 if you really feel this is truthful, please up your meds.

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As I asked a few weeks ago and still never got an answer. How in the hell does this effect me?


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As I asked a few weeks ago and still never got an answer. How in the hell does this effect me?
Not sure what you are asking about there GM? How does having a President who colluded with Russia to get elected affect you? How does 40 living in an alternate reality affect you? How does not taking your meds affect you? Not sure what you want to ask.

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40 does not effect me. Dems don't effect me, being turned down by my insurance for another round of CHEMO effects me big time. I guess I just get tired of folks fighting over things that don't really mean much. Just feeling grumpy tonight I guess bro. Sorry.


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
40 does not effect me. Dems don't effect me, being turned down by my insurance for another round of CHEMO effects me big time. I guess I just get tired of folks fighting over things that don't really mean much. Just feeling grumpy tonight I guess bro. Sorry.


We're cool GM. I just didn't understand what you wanted to know. But this thread is not about insurance, it's about Senate hearings on Trump/Russia. This investigation may not affect you at all in the end or it might mean we have a Russian puppet in the White House and any law he has signed or actions he has taken would be immediately struck down.

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Picking on a sick man, a new low. rolleyes

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Picking on a sick man, a new low. rolleyes


More comprehension issues... I wonder if you ate paint chips as a child. rolleyes

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In first interview, Sally Yates says Russians had 'real leverage' over Flynn

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-intervi...-140048750.html

Former acting Attorney General Sally Yates said in a CNN interview that aired Tuesday morning that Russians had “serious leverage” over former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn and that her office had expected the administration to act quickly after she alerted White House counsel Don McGahn on January 26.

In clips of an interview with Anderson Cooper that will air in full Tuesday night, Yates said she considered Flynn’s connections to Russia, and his misleading explanations to Vice President Pence and others, an urgent national security concern.

“I think this was a serious compromise situation,” said Yates “The Russians had real leverage. He also had lied to the vice president of the United States. Whether he’s fired or not is a decision for the president of the United States to make but it doesn’t seem like that’s a person who should be sitting in the National Security Adviser position.”

Yates herself was fired on January 30, just a few days after her meeting with McGahn. The stated reason was her refusal to defend the administration’s Muslim travel ban as it was being challenged in the courts. No action was taken against Flynn until news reports surfaced that, contrary to his denials, he had discussed U.S. sanctions with the Russian ambassador. President Trump asked for his resignation on February 13.

[ Timeline: The rise and fall of Michael Flynn ]

In the interview, Cooper also asked Yates if she was – as Trump had implied – behind the leaks to the Washington Post about the Flynn story.

“Absolutely not,” said Yates when asked if she leaked the information or had authorized someone to leak the information. “I did not and I would not leak classified information.”

“There have been a number of tweets that have given me pause,” said Yates when asked about the president’s tweet the day of her Capitol Hill testimony last week urging senators to ask her about leaking.

The New Yorker magazine’s Washington correspondent Ryan Lizza announced Monday night that he had also interviewed Yates for an article that will be published in next week’s issue, with highlights being published online Tuesday.


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In first interview, Sally Yates says Russians had 'real leverage' over Flynn

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-intervi...-140048750.html

Former acting Attorney General Sally Yates said in a CNN interview that aired Tuesday morning that Russians had “serious leverage” over former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn and that her office had expected the administration to act quickly after she alerted White House counsel Don McGahn on January 26.

In clips of an interview with Anderson Cooper that will air in full Tuesday night, Yates said she considered Flynn’s connections to Russia, and his misleading explanations to Vice President Pence and others, an urgent national security concern.

“I think this was a serious compromise situation,” said Yates “The Russians had real leverage. He also had lied to the vice president of the United States. Whether he’s fired or not is a decision for the president of the United States to make but it doesn’t seem like that’s a person who should be sitting in the National Security Adviser position.”

Yates herself was fired on January 30, just a few days after her meeting with McGahn. The stated reason was her refusal to defend the administration’s Muslim travel ban as it was being challenged in the courts. No action was taken against Flynn until news reports surfaced that, contrary to his denials, he had discussed U.S. sanctions with the Russian ambassador. President Trump asked for his resignation on February 13.

[ Timeline: The rise and fall of Michael Flynn ]

In the interview, Cooper also asked Yates if she was – as Trump had implied – behind the leaks to the Washington Post about the Flynn story.

“Absolutely not,” said Yates when asked if she leaked the information or had authorized someone to leak the information. “I did not and I would not leak classified information.”

“There have been a number of tweets that have given me pause,” said Yates when asked about the president’s tweet the day of her Capitol Hill testimony last week urging senators to ask her about leaking.

The New Yorker magazine’s Washington correspondent Ryan Lizza announced Monday night that he had also interviewed Yates for an article that will be published in next week’s issue, with highlights being published online Tuesday.


It's pretty obvious who the leak is in the WH.


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In first interview, Sally Yates says Russians had 'real leverage' over Flynn

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-intervi...-140048750.html

Former acting Attorney General Sally Yates said in a CNN interview that aired Tuesday morning that Russians had “serious leverage” over former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn and that her office had expected the administration to act quickly after she alerted White House counsel Don McGahn on January 26.

In clips of an interview with Anderson Cooper that will air in full Tuesday night, Yates said she considered Flynn’s connections to Russia, and his misleading explanations to Vice President Pence and others, an urgent national security concern.

“I think this was a serious compromise situation,” said Yates “The Russians had real leverage. He also had lied to the vice president of the United States. Whether he’s fired or not is a decision for the president of the United States to make but it doesn’t seem like that’s a person who should be sitting in the National Security Adviser position.”

Yates herself was fired on January 30, just a few days after her meeting with McGahn. The stated reason was her refusal to defend the administration’s Muslim travel ban as it was being challenged in the courts. No action was taken against Flynn until news reports surfaced that, contrary to his denials, he had discussed U.S. sanctions with the Russian ambassador. President Trump asked for his resignation on February 13.

[ Timeline: The rise and fall of Michael Flynn ]

In the interview, Cooper also asked Yates if she was – as Trump had implied – behind the leaks to the Washington Post about the Flynn story.

“Absolutely not,” said Yates when asked if she leaked the information or had authorized someone to leak the information. “I did not and I would not leak classified information.”

“There have been a number of tweets that have given me pause,” said Yates when asked about the president’s tweet the day of her Capitol Hill testimony last week urging senators to ask her about leaking.

The New Yorker magazine’s Washington correspondent Ryan Lizza announced Monday night that he had also interviewed Yates for an article that will be published in next week’s issue, with highlights being published online Tuesday.


It's pretty obvious who the leak is in the WH.


Who?


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