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I was thinking of Joe Bitiono's injury I guess. were we not leading the league last year the first four or five games? Then Joe went down and with no depth, we juggled the line?

lol did that not happen in 2015 to with Mack? that's just crazy bad luck both times.

All in this mix. Add Hillis. I think of the 4, Crow is probably the most consistent, with most longevity. The other 3, had great seasons, but from memory, no more than just 1 good season each? Might be my poor recollection.

Yeah Bitonio went, Erving had a disastrous stint, the other centre came in and looked good and then did his ACL. It just snowballed.
So glad we ain't talking about the OL. The FO did some good stuff in FA, if we ain't talking about it we know they did a good job lol

Don't forget about Jerome Harrison.

Does Ben Gay count? Physically amazing. LOLetc.

How consistently our run game has been inconsistent is sad. I admit that I was a Hillis fan until he got silly and it headed south for a number of negative developments.

Really ... how about we wait til the season starts ... that may be prudent ..

RG definetly a major upgrade .. adds to depth ...

C - exactly what did we do there .. we signed a guy thats missed how many games over the last 3 years ... and he was a back up for at least one of those ... so we need to look at how many games he actually played in vs how much time he spent injured ...

He may end up just being a body ... if he can stay healthy ... lets see how good of a center he actually is .. we know he's versatile .. how good of a center is he ..

WHOSE ARE RT AGAIN ... ....

Ya .. i thought so ..

Thank god our lines set ... ...

Just curious was to why it was a good job by the FO .. i think it was also ... just curious as to why u think it was ... i mean what were there other choices? ...

A few points about Crow:

--I don't think he gets enough credit on this board. Not sure why? People defend other players, but Crow always seems to get dissed.

As far as i can tell .. I'm the only one that thinks hes an underachieving bum on the field .. i think hes a POS as a human being but that has nothing to do with this ...

Who else doesn't like him .. not trying to pick a fight or be a jerk .. I'm just not sure who your reffering to .. seems like almost all either like or love him ... maybe its from something in the past ...



Yes we have .. and i didn't agree with u then and i still don't ... *L* ...

He comes out of HS as ... if not the #1 back in the country, top 3 for sure ...

So he enrolled at Georgia in the SEC .. a conference that is on par with the .. crap .. not even sue what its called anymore ... *L* ... the conference with Oklahoma and Baylor and Kansas in it ..

Well the sec and that conference pretty much take and allow u to play until u not only commit murders but are proven guilty of it ... sad but true ...

As a freshman he comes in and the top 2 backs go down ... he starts as a freshaman and is sec rookie of the year ... then something u forgot to mention .. he gets KICKED OUT ... not an easy feat in the sec ... everyone points to the gun charges .. that was just the straw that broke the camels back ... many other discipline problems and there was the FAILED DRUG TEST ...

Then instead of transferring to a school where he could compete against the best .. and if he didn't want to sit out a year he could have taken Cam's route and went JUCO for soph then went to another sec school cause a man with his talent is gold to those greedy greedy folks that only care about money ...

He chooses to go play against INFERIOR COMP. and takes the easy way out ...

Then he looks great against all the future accountants, lawyers and teachers ... none of whom could get into a real D-1 program ..

What's that tell u about him Vers? ... just another piece when looking at this puzzle ...

Now' where i get real confused ...

Top 3 back coming out of HS
SEC rookie of the year
Great 2 years at whatever Alabama state is classified as ...

Then he doesn't get drafted ... WHY did a bum like Terrance West get drafted in rnd. 3 and this man with all this TALENT didn't even get drafted ...

That doesn't make sense to me bro ... NONE ...

So your correct that u can make the argument he didn't underachieve .. but in my eyes .. he way UNDERACHIEVED ... the talents there .. U SAW IT THIS YEAR ... why did it take his contract year for it to show through ...

During the year .. EVERYONE said he looked different .. RUNNING HARDER is what sticks out in my mind as one of the comments i heard on here multiple times ...

And West has been cut by like 3 teams .. my guess is if Dixon didn't get suspended for the first 4 next year i believe .. West after a decent year would be out of the league AGAIN!!!!



He had a good year numbers wise under Shanny ... that doesn't mean he didn't underachieve ... u know the difference ... we just disagree ...



Really ... thats why ... maybe u need to go re-watch some of the games .. *L* .. god .. yuck .. *LOL* ..

Duke seemed to play an awful lot on early downs and in non passing back down/distance situations .. I'd hardly call how Hue used him as a sign of him being the man ..

And who was the man the 2 years before Hue ... just curious on that one ..



Couldn't disagree more on why Hue did it ... did it cost him a few carries a game .. i could get on board with that ... to halve them ... gimme a break ..



You'd rather have Brock .. u think he's going to open up the running game ... I'll aSSume u haven't seen much of him ... your in for a big surprise .. *L* ..

And i would not want last years Cody back either ... we don't agree on this either .. Hue BUTCHERED how he handled that kid .... ABSOLUTELY BUTCHERED IT ...

Quite frankly Vers .. I'm not sure who did their QB's worse ... Kelly or Hue .. Kelly berated him on the sidelines .. Hue should have benched him at the half of the Balt. Game .. then he threw him under the bus DAILY for the NEXT WEEK ... u can't do that .. I'm sure Hue was right .. but u don't do that to a rookie QB .. PERIOD ... much less one that shouldn't have even seen the field last year ..

He'll be better this year ... question is .. how much better ...

Nephew and a bud have testing today .. they want to go to the .. you'll never guess where .. the Waffle House ... YUCK ... but its about the young men ...

Gotta say, we disagree about hte Crow. From the underachieving part to the POS part. Definitely not on the same page

I understand your point of view on the underachieving stuff ... i get it i just don't agree with it .... No problem with disagreeing, thats one way to learn .. but when some like the first few that posted after my initial post act like My point of view is some far fetched whacko scenario ... ya ... lets just say I'll be me ... *LOL* ...

The next time we agree may be the first ...

If illegal gun toting druggies that puts a post on twitter of a cop in a chair getting his throat slashed by ISIS is your kind of peeps ... guess we run with different crowds ... I can live with that ....

I guess I see at as this, he had just turned 19 years old, we don't know much about his upbringing or childhood. But what I do know is that a 19 year old kid can be pretty stupid. That was the case his freshman year at Georgia.


As for the twitter/instagram pic, he realized it was a mistake, owned up to it, and did what he could to make it right. This is a very emotional issue, especially to African-Americans, and I would assume, even more so growing up in the South. Doesn't make what he did right, but it might explain some of it. Like it or not, there's a major perception in large amounts of the African-American Community that cops are 1) Not to be trusted and 2) Treat African-Americans differently than others.

Once again, was born in January 1993, made this post last fall at the age of 23. I would assume he posted without thinking hte implications of what he did, as we all sometimes do. Maybe not to the degree, but it's easy to dehumanize things when we're at a computer.



I've seen people change. I've had a buddy who went to jail for a prison for worse things than what Crow did, and he's a completely different person at 30 years old than he was at 19. He had an upbringing much more difficult than most people I know, was with the wrong crowd, got caught up in a stupid thing, and he was held accountable. But he's a completely different person, and I'm not gonna hold what he did at the age of 19 against him. Because a 19 year old kid, whether we call them adults or not, still has a ton of growing up to do

I just think it's easy calling the guy a POS when you've never met him or anything like that. He hasn't been arrested anytime recent for doing anything wrong. The last time he was in trouble was as a freshman in college. He was an UDFA who has done his best to work his way up the ranks and become a good player. He's done that.

So yeah, I like the Crow

Good points Pete .. and just so u know .. i hope the kid matures and grows up ... i really do .. i wish the same for Josh Gordon .. Johnny football also .. and I'm going to get fried for this .. but i don't care .. cause its my opinion and i ain't a scared ... *LOL* ....

I think Ben was beyond a POS .. Ray Lewis the same .. I think as they matured and got older they turned into very good human beings and very good people ... obviously I'm not comparing what crow has done to what ben did ... just using him and Ray Ray as examples of people that changed as they matured ..... hope crow does the same ...

As u pointed out Crow is still very young ... i hope he "gets" it ... and just like with U .. i don't know the man .. so all i can base my opinion on is what i see he does ...

- Georgia he was a discipline problem, failed a drug test and carried an illlegal gun ...

Ok ... red flags go up ... this is not a good start .. his behavior has to change ...

Then he does the ISIS crap ... sorry but I'm sick of the excuse making BS in general ... its all we do anymore .... oh honey, i understand ... no problem ... we now pretty much coddle everyone in society instead of discipline them .. that seems to be working out pretty well ... ....

how many other blacks grew up in the south that are in PRO SPORTS ... and how many of them did crap like that ... sorry man ... at the very least he showed how young and inmature he is ... thats the good outcome here ...

And i call BS on he handled it well ... u think he took the tweet down himself without the browns or his agent getting involved and calling him and screaming at him ... WTF are u doing??? ... maybe even someone from the league office called him ..

U think he did all the other "good" things on his own ... thats fine .. IMO ... i think i all ready expressed my opinion ... *L* ..

With this hopefully he's like Vick was with the dogs .. after 3 years or so of him doing MULTIPLE THINGS on his own after he finished with all the court ordered stuff .. he PROVED he truely understood his mistake ... hopefully Crow is the same ..

And i think the FO did a good job and did the right thing here .. hes motivated to play gain this year ...

And my next question will be ..

WHY DIDN'T THE TEAM SIGN HIM LONG TERM IF THEY WERE SOLD ON HIM ... this year will be better cap wise than next for us .. and we may spend BIG BUCKS on a Cousins or Jimmy G next year in FA ...

Your thoughts on that one please sir ...

First off, I agree with Diam about Crow, just something really off about the guy, does not carry himself very well. Also seems to have a bad attitude. However your really off base by excusing his actions on him being an AA. That's got nothing to do with it and as such is being used as a crutch by a select few AA and the liberal jesse jacksons and such. Total BS.

I dunno. There's a special tier for Ben and Ray (and if Ray really was remorseful, he'd tell the truth about what happened that night outside the club).

Right below that is Michael Vick.


What the Crow did was wrong, but he didn't throw his dog in a pool that was electrified, he didn't rape a girl, and he didn't cover up the murder of two men.



Looking at his letter that he wrote (and he the head of the Cleveland police union got a private phone call from him too), he does say that he took it down himself, and no one had to tell him to first. I am going to choose to believe him on that. And he did donate the gamecheck (which for him, is a lot of money, as in relation to other NFL contracts, his is quite low)

He also said that it's an emotional issue for him and he has family and friends that have dealt with police violence. So I understand that too.


We are just going to see things differently here. It's a turbulent subject and it's easy to dehumanize things on social media. That's what he did.

There are far worse people who've played on this football team than Crow. And I don't think he has an attitude problem either. He took his time signing his tender, that's his right, and guys do that every single year.

I said I wasn't comparing what he did with those guys ... and then u put up a whole post saying why he isn't like them ... ... now its my turn ...

No, I don't believe him ...

So he's the only black athelete that grew up in the south that has had trouble with the law ... good to know ... thanks Petey .... u da man ...

Soon that will evolve into him carrying the illegal gun around to protect himself from the cops ... poor fella ... just another victim ..... and not to protect himself from the places he chose to frequent as the punk he appears to be to me ....

I notice u didn't answer my question either ...

And FYI ... the case Lewis was involved in ... U need to re-visit the history books ... he was the states lead witness ... both defendants were acquitted ... so in fact there wasn't even a murder ... other than that ... SPOT ON ...

Most RBs don't seem to be getting signed long-term lately. It seems like in this FA period the RBs mostly got shuffled. I'm not saying I want Crow long-term either, I just like him, and he's far superior to any option that we have. If we have a better plan in place than him next year, then it doesnt matter to me if he goes. But this year, I'm excited about him.




From my understanding (and I don't have time to look it up), wasn't he in the middle of a brawl outside a club where two people were killed. He then had his girlfriend throw away a bunch of bedsheets and evidence at the hotel they were staying at.

And it was confirmed that he purchases two knives for two of his friends like a day or two before this incident.

That's what I remember from it, I can check later, but I've gotta walk the dog and then go over to my parents for cocktails (they live right nextdoor).




As for the comparisons, I remember you said you didn't say that Crow was as bad as them, but my point was that Crow was never even close to their level of need to improve. It's like saying a guy who got pulled over for not wearing his seat belt needs to get driver retraining, but can be successful because we saw a guy who killed some people driving the wrong way down the highway drunk pulled it off.

Same with Vick and how he redeemed himself (and how Crow needs to do the same, which I just don't see as anywhere near the same level of necesariness to redeem himself). And yes, everybody is different, and everybody acts different. This was Crow's reaction, and it was a mistake. He realized he did it, I believe he's sorry, and I do believe that he took the thing down himself before anyone said anything to him about it. I'm sure he heard about it soon after, but i think he took it down first. That's what he said, i'll believe him.

Well. How about we wait until the season starts before discussing anything?!

I said they addressed the OL and they did. I didn't proclaim it top 10 or anything man. Picked up the premier guard, and a centre that's been around the block a bit, yes with an injury history, but many players also have that baggage including our very own Bitonio. The addition of the guard puts 3 very good players into 2 positions, and one of those 3 can competently cover the centre with Reiter coming back off surgery also. They coulda stuck with Erving dude, what's not to love?

There is competition at RT, at least 4 players (and maybe if we got 4 x RTs we haven't got any lol) but I'm just saying I'm pleased with the moves they made to address a unit of incredible weakness. Maybe you expected them to be Dallas in one offseason bud but I set the bar kinda low. Set? Nope, didn't say that. Progression towards improvement? Yeah I think so, and it's the offseason so I can speculate and be hopeful just like you and anyone else can

Enjoy your weekend Pete ... very cool you live next door to your parents and can enjoy there company as often as u like ... that's AWESOME ... enjoy it while u can bro ...

You too Mr. Riddler ... have a good weekend sir ...

I love your country ... wish i lived there ... i was fortunate enough to spend two weeks there and I loved every second of it ...

AWESOME AWESOME people there ... friendliest country I've ever been to ... and I've been to a lot of them ... *L* ...

You too Diam. Gonna hit the city of Melbourne today with the family, clear Autumn day.
See what's about, see if I can convince Mrs Riddler and the kids to have a pit stop in a pub for a swift pint maybe.

First of all............you okay, bro? You seem kinda grouchy today? I know you got a lot going on. Try and relax.
Breathe.

I almost hate to reply to your post to me, but I don't wanna ignore you. Let me preface my reply w/I have ZERO problems w/us disagreeing on this issue. Hope you feel the same. There's so much here, that I find it confusing, thus I am going to put my replies to your replies to my initial replies in green font. LOL

Just like to add that I agree with much of what you're writing about Crowell.

It sickens me that he's a Cleveland Brown and I'll be happy when that's not the case anymore.

You like to say that but you couldn't be more misleading. CK was in for three drives in that game...THREE...and was hurt on the 3rd play of the third drive. No "tone" was set in those three drives other than seeing how bad was Alvin Bailey. The first and third drives ended because NE figured out that Alvin Bailey will often times not bother to pick up the inside blitz. The second drive had one dropped pass...went right through Crowell's wide open hands. CK looked the part in that drive making excellent throws to various parts of the field. The way to stop CK very well may be to stack the line of Erving at C and Alvin Bailey at G...the NFL may have figured that out...but NE did not.

I do like that you added the part "live w/1 or 2 drives per game where he dinks and dunks his way down the field." That's new for you...it seems like I forced you to go back and watch the tape.

There are plenty of games/plays to highlight the shortcomings of the third round rookie who wasn't supposed to see the filed last year...but the NE game wasn't one of those.

Edited to put forth my apologies for going off-topic there...I used that transgression to point out that Crowell is not special at catching the ball.

Hmmmm............how to go about this????

I am not trying to mislead anyone. I also think I have proven over time that I know football. I try and give my honest opinions. I am not always correct, but again, I NEVER try and mislead posters to prove my point.

I do not reply to one particular poster because it never ends well. I will end it w/this, just in case:


















Now...............can we get back to Crow and stop this personal attack BS?

I'm responding more to the NE game than anything in particular that you said.

Do you think Corey Coleman's injury played into the Pats being able to play the way they did?

He averaged more than 20 yards a reception before the injury.

Without him, I'm not sure we really had a legitimate receiving threat outside of Pryor, which made doubling him easier.

Hopefully he'll be back healthy and the other year 2 guys will show improvement. That would help Crow with having room to run.

Probably.........but again, my point is that Crow and the running game were adversely affected because teams did all they could to stop our running game and dared Kessler to beat them w/more challenging throws.

I think we saw that the running game did look better again when RGIII returned. Not sure about the numbers, but it was pretty obvious just by watching.

Again, I am factoring in the Kessler effect when evaluating Crow. And if you go back to my earlier post.......that was only one part of my post about Crow.

I'd checked out of this thread cause I'd made my points ... but I'll come back for U .. and thats a compliment ... and the fact i have to say that shows how hard it is to communicate on a message board where all you can see is the written word .. like the fact u think i may not be in a good place .. I'm in a GREAT PLACE right now ... my plates full of things I WANT TO DO ...

I been back for two weeks today after being gone for 4 months .. u know me .. it KILLED me being away from my nephews .. KILLED ME ... but moms comes first ... easy decision .. but not a fun one .. since i been back .. TONS OF FUN!!!

- 15 yr. olds first varsity soccer game ... he missed the season cause the radiator blew on the school bus on there way to their first game .. did u read about that or see it on the news a few months ago .. the only one with 3rd degree burns was my nephew who was thrilled to have made varsity as a sophomore ... he was off his feet for two weeks .. 3 skin graphs later .. thank god he's 100% .. and i mean that .. i was in tears at the post office talking to the postmaster about it ... *LOL* ...

- 9 year old soccer tourny, practices and tryouts for the new team ... appearantly we take July/August off up here ... guess u wusses can't take the heat .. *LOL* ...

- 12 year olds games/practices and to the park .. he was rolling his wrists and wasn't "sitting" .. we hit him about 30 grounders and he was back to being smooth as silk .. did 2 drills off the tee and soft toss ... not sure how familiar u are with the drills but we did the palm up and torque drill ... he'll be back to the top of the order ... well crap ... next year .. *L* ...

- went to USC - wollford my first Wednesday back ... amazingly enough i met a college umpire .. u know what that means to me ...

Going to get ticks for Fridays Georgia game .. check your pm now if u haven't and want ticks ... I'm calling the box office around noon and there's not many tix left ...

- A week ago Sunday I went to the Fireflies game ... had a sax player do god bless america .. went and talked with him ... going to see the root doctors on Thursday at some ampha-theatre ... let me know if your interested on that one ...

- ma's moving down ... WOOOOHOOOOOO ... i won't have to go back to NY next year .. WOOOOHOOOO ... u know how being away from my nephews killed me ..

I'm in a GREAT PLACE right now ..

Soccers over .. last week of baseball i believe ... 2 practices a mid week week game and a tourny this weekend .. thursday the root docs with a female friend I met on the plane back ... and friday the usc game ...

Right now I'm waiting for the realtor to come over ...

LIFE DON'T GET MUCH BETTER bro .. so no .. your interpretation of my mood was slightly off ...

On the other thread .. i simply mis-understood what u wanted me to give my conclusions from the data i posted .. i took it literally .. that u wanted me to break down my conclusions based off the numbers i posted on the Texas game ... its so hard to communicate on here ...

And your conclusion was i was in a bad place .. again .. so hard to communicate on here .. *L* ...

As for Crow .. just a few things .. and no dis respect .. limited time and this just doesn't mean that much to me ..

There's the realtor .. be back briefly and then I'm checking out ..

Didn't send the PM ... if your interested in going to the USC game let me know .. also how many tix and I'll get them .. plan on putting them on my card and having them left at will call ... would be cool to sit at a baseball game with u ... and yes .. I'm interested in the drills u have .. all ready learned a couple really good ones from the 12 year old practices .. u know me Vers .. I LOVE TO LEARN ... and thats in life not just football ..

Later bro ...

Nate Ulrich of the ABJ says that Crow came in for day one of OTAs.

I think its significant that Crowell reported today for the first day of OTAs. There was speculation that he would continue to display displeasure with his lack of a long-term contract by NOT reporting today. His presence is good for the team. I'm glad that he's in the off-season program. I actually think this has a better chance of moving the negotiations forward than if he had declined to show up.

Nice!

I had a feeling that article that Diam posted earlier was complete speculation on the reporter's part.

I'm hoping Crow kicks ass this year. We need a qb who can keep the defenses honest.

Yall can thank me for Crow showing up today. I wrote on his instagram this morning, so he decided to fly in and participate.



LETS GO CROwwwwwwwwWWWW!

Nice job, Turk!

Now how about posting on the Cavs instagram.

Good to hear, thanks.

I'm excited about our run game potential. It's great knowing Crow reported.

good on Crow

our Oline stays healthy and 1000+ yards here we come

yes Rieter came in at C and looked really good then blew his ACL too. man I hope we bring him back for depth.

Browns’ Crowell: We’re going to shock the world

by Mike Hoag

Isaiah Crowell is coming off his best NFL season and could be a catalyst for a Browns resurgence in 2017.

Third year Cleveland Browns running back Isaiah Crowell was more than optimistic about his team’s future while speaking at his third annual free youth football clinic at A.J. McClung Memorial Stadium in Columbus, Georgia.

Back on the high school playing field where he scored 61 touchdowns, Crowell spoke about his team’s current trajectory.

“I feel very good about it,” Crowell said, per Jordan D. Hill of the Ledger-Enquirer. “I feel like we’re building something special. A lot of people are underestimating us, but I feel like we’re going to shock the world.”

Just how realistic his early-Summer outlook is remains to be seen. The Browns are still extremely young, inexperienced and have infused even more youth into their core after adding 10 more rookies to their ranks in April’s draft.

Last season, Cleveland led the NFL in snaps played by rookies — over 1,000 more than the next closest team, per Pro Football Focus — which resulted in an abysmal 1-15 2016 season to forget.

Youth isn’t always a detriment, though, so those rookie snaps were important. Before the start of last season, the Browns roster ranked second in the league in youngest average age. That number will again be low, but it hasn’t impeded success for other teams. The Kansas City Chiefs, Seattle Seahawks, Green Bay Pakcers and Denver Broncos were all among the seven youngest rosters in the league.

Besides Crowell’s somewhat surprising claim, his camp was the main focus of the day. Local kids aged 8 to 13 went through football drills and received guidance and instruction from a group of coaches.

“I feel like it’s important to give back to the community, also. You’ve got to give back to where you came from,” Crowell said, per Hill. “I appreciate God for allowing me the opportunity to come back and do something like this. This is what it’s all about.”

Children in attendance also received free Crowell themed T-shirts and some were sporting eye black that had “Feed the Crow” enscribed on them.

well, that's a positive outlook. not sure he's going to be correct, but we can dream.

Heard this from many players before, now let's see it on the field!

Nice to see Crow giving back to the community and helping out youths.

Seems like an article that belongs in the Tailgate forum.