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His measurable are fine. Great actually. It's watching him try to cover that makes us concerned about his being able to cover.
#1 asset right now is him stopping the run and utilized in blitz packages for the pass game. I'm sure he will work hard on his coverage technique...he does not seem like a slacker.
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Jourdan Lewis is the Michigan DB I wanted in this draft. He is smaller, but he is an outstanding leaper and a great cover corner. Of course, he ended up w/Dallas. 
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I will tell my son that actually on draft day I was touting the kid from Colorodo for him as he wanted CBs...this draft was deep. Very curious on the kid we moved up for... I know he has to get bigger.
There were so many good kids that we all wanted somebody that we just liked what we saw...I liked Garrett like just about most Dawgs...so that was an easy one...but I was one of the few who liked Peppers as he fits the description of who we want on our defense and I love the way he tackles...we don't get too many Safeties in our past who are good tacklers,
he's not just a banger he wraps well! The coverage techniques can be coached and if he works hard its something he could make into a strength after a couple of seasons.
The slot we got him at was perfect thanks to the Water thing.
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I will tell my son that actually on draft day I was touting the kid from Colorodo for him as he wanted CBs...this draft was deep. Very curious on the kid we moved up for... I know he has to get bigger.
There were so many good kids that we all wanted somebody that we just liked what we saw...I liked Garrett like just about most Dawgs...so that was an easy one...but I was one of the few who liked Peppers as he fits the description of who we want on our defense and I love the way he tackles...we don't get too many Safeties in our past who are good tacklers,
he's not just a banger he wraps well! The coverage techniques can be coached and if he works hard its something he could make into a strength after a couple of seasons.
The slot we got him at was perfect thanks to the Water thing.
jmho there were three DBs from Colorado. Which one? Awuzie? Thompson? Witherspoon?
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I remember Harper. Pretty good player for Saints and Panthers. I think he even went back to NO last year????
I remember him as a pretty physical guy who got after it pretty good. Solid would be the word I use to describe him, but not a real good cover guy or one who would be a ball hawk.
Thanks Purp and Vers for the updates on Harper. I just don't remember him that well. I hated that Saints team that won the Superbowl (hated Williams too). I was a big Kurt Warner fan and felt like they pretty much ruined his career with how they kept on hitting him kinda late. Really pissed me off. They did the same thing to Favre, except, I don't like Favre as much as I like Warner But I liked that article/analysis Purp and thanks for some analysis Vers. I just hope we don't use the guy as a LB. I'm thinking more as a SS like we did with Robert Wiffith and my main man TJ Ward. Hopefully Peppers can improve his coverage abilities, and hopefully we can find some FS to play high zone like Earl Thomas does, so that we can keep Peppers down in the box, running toward the ball and making plays (like Kam Chancelor) EDIT: Thinking of that, I'm assuming that's how it went with the Saints. Darren Sharper playing FS Cover 1 up in Deeper zone with Harper playing in the box. Darren Sharper was a heckuva a player (and scum of a human it turns out), but that's what he did best. Play back, help in the zone coverage, and make the saving tackle if need be
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I think Peppers is a freak athlete that will be learning how to play Safety in the NFL.
I don't think its an overstatement to say that Peppers brings Troy Polamalu level athleticism to the S position (and he's bigger then Troy).
However Troy w didn't enter the league needing to learn the position and Troy had rare instincts...but Peppers natural talent is off the charts.
Peppers will have a lot to learn in order to play a traditional Strong and especially a Free Safety role.
But, the good thing about Williams defense is that it already features a role similar to the role he played at Michigan. Gregg plays a lot of sub packages (nickel/dime ~70) of the snaps. Gregg used "safety" Mark Barron as a "Linebacker" in those subpackages and imho Peppers can walk in and fill that role in Gregg's defense day 1.
The question for me becomes....can you get 1st round value from a Nickel Safety? or does he have to develop into a Centerfield Free Safety to justify the selection in the 1st? And will they even try to develop him as Centerfield FS?
I read/heard somewhere that Pepper's wants to be like Earl Thomas....so maybe that could be his eventual transition...start off as nickel S ala Mark Barron or Deone Buchanon and transition into a Center FS ala Earl Thomas or Malcolm Jenkins. Peppers reminds me more of a smaller Maualuga than a bigger Polamalu. I think he's simmilar to TJ Ward, nothing stellar but could be solid FS if paired with a good/smart ILB.
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Why are we always so caught up in player comparisons?
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Why are we always so caught up in player comparisons? and why does everyone keep trying to stick him at FS?
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Why are we always so caught up in player comparisons? and why does everyone keep trying to stick him at FS? Bingo. Peppers' position depends on the situation.
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Baron and Buchanon were both 1st round selections, so, yes you can get 1st round value from a Nickel Safety IMO.
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Baron and Buchanon were both 1st round selections, so, yes you can get 1st round value from a Nickel Safety IMO. if he turns into Buchanon, I'm happy
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Why are we always so caught up in player comparisons? and why does everyone keep trying to stick him at FS? Maybe because they don't understand the responsibilities of the position???? I can't see him playing FS.
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I must have missed it, but I haven't seen anyone suggest he would be a good FS. I think it would be silly to think so. I don't get the whole "what 's his position?" He's clearly a SS that might be able to play LB on obvious passing downs (ala David Fulcher from the Bengals a while back)
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Posted by rasta:
I think he's simmilar to TJ Ward, nothing stellar but could be solid FS if paired with a good/smart ILB.
And you do realize I was responding to a a comment from Purp, right?
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I realize who you were replying to. I guess I was replying to that same post. Replied to yours to follow the sequence of comments.
I guess I did see that FS post but just took it as a typo. I think he meant SS based off my takeaway from his comment. Maybe he did mean FS as he typed. Guess I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Wherever they put him I think he'll do well. He is a good athlete with skills who has a good attitude and is anxious to learn. With GW teaching him he'll be more than fine.
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I disagree. I don't think he can cover.
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I disagree. I don't think he can cover. Yet he will have to learn or he will become a liability.
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I'm an intuitive person. My instincts say that Jabrill Peppers can be special.
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My instincts say to be wary of him.
I hope you are right, but i am very concerned.
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Watching Peppers play, I thought he was a special player who would fit well in a Greg Williams style Defense. Now, after living through the off field stylings of Manziel and Gordon, and hearing the speculation as to the reasons behind Peppers not signing his participation agreement, I am becoming more and more wary of a player I really wanted to see the Browns get.
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My instincts say to be wary of him.
I hope you are right, but i am very concerned. I think I lean towards this side as well. Something doesn't sit right with him IMO.
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Isn't Peppers agent Joey Bosa's agent too? If so, it explains tactics used.
IMO, Peppers is going to be a little difficult to sign. Jackson and Sashi expressed how they will play Peppers at multiple positions. I believe it will cost them negotiating a signing bonus.
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If his agent is Bosa's, he will be hard to sign. Seems that Bosa held out almost until the 1st regular season game.
I would think Peppers being at 25 will be easier to slot his numbers, though we will probably have to wait until 24 and 26 sign.
No big deal, it is what it is. I would like to get him inked early, but if not, I won't lose any sleep over it.
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The Chargers wanted to screw Bosa over. I doubt we will have a hard time getting Peppers to sign.
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This post is going to be mostly for Vers. You've been very down on the peppers pick and I understand your perspective. Frankly your concerns were not something that could be proven otherwise so I totally agreed. But I noticed recently you mentioned lack of coverage and I couldn't sleep so I went digging and found an interesting film session that I think you or any of you other guys might find educational or just intriguing. This guy was very vocal on pushing peppers out of the first round but I never saw his 2nd breakdown just before the draft. He admits he thinks his initial assessment was wrong. Peppers blew him away in position work in indy and made this youtuber return and rechart tapes that's such a rare thing in scouting that I think it's worth a look. Peppers take 2
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Thanks pred. I'll check it out.
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I watched the video, and think the guy made some great points in explaining any coverage deficiencies.
I think he still needs to get better in coverage, but I mean what rookie doesn't have that challenge. Even vets are still perfecting their craft.
I think his film at Michigan needs to be erased in the sense that I hope our coaches don't over think his position. He's a strong safety. Simple as that.
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Just watched it. Over 15 min. long.
Thanks for posting. It was a very good video.
The guy made a lot of sense, but there were a couple of things I disagreed with.
I don't see the good hips that he talked about and I think he would struggle as a slot corner in man.
Also, watch how slow his reaction time is when playing zone. Watch it w/your own eyes and not just listen to what the dude is saying. Go to the first pass play against Colorado. Probably around the 4:30 mark. Still feet are dead feet.
With that out of the way, I do like some of the things he does.
He:
1. is dynamic as a return man.
2. is going to be great as a blitzer.
3. is faster than I thought and pretty decisive.
4. can help on offense.
5. is a pretty good tackler
6. can play SS
7. will make dynamic plays.
Thanks again for the video. I enjoyed it.
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Fantastic video. I enjoyed watching that and am excited to see the kid play for us. Thanks for sharing.
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I enjoyed the video. I'm a little surprised that people are seeing it for the first time when the same video was posted by GratefulDawg on the first page of this thread. Thanks Grateful for posting it, and preditor for re-posting it
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I'm a Buckeye, still, put me unabashedly in Camp Peppers.
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Just watched it. Over 15 min. long.
Thanks for posting. It was a very good video.
The guy made a lot of sense, but there were a couple of things I disagreed with.
I don't see the good hips that he talked about and I think he would struggle as a slot corner in man.
Also, watch how slow his reaction time is when playing zone. Watch it w/your own eyes and not just listen to what the dude is saying. Go to the first pass play against Colorado. Probably around the 4:30 mark. Still feet are dead feet I may be wrong but if you check out that play I think he had under responsibility There's a guy rolling right for a dump. Either way it's nitpicking and I do agree that it's easily his biggest hurdle. He seems to always cheat towards the play rather than play his role in zone. Maybe it'll help having pros around him so he doesn't try to do too much. I'd never want him full time slot like Mathieu I just like him in the position because it essentially shuts down the outside run and makes the O worry about a blitz. I think he has good hips, phenomenal for a ss, but compared to a starting cb I'd agree.
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Still feet are dead feet.
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I enjoyed the video. I'm a little surprised that people are seeing it for the first time when the same video was posted by GratefulDawg on the first page of this thread. Thanks Grateful for posting it, and preditor for re-posting it Fair point but, if one missed it the first time we are now 8 pages in so, it can easily be (and clearly was) overlooked.
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Just to add.....
A lot of people don't even bother to read the thread. They'll just hop on and post when what they've posted has been posted right before them and claim they "just didn't see it".
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Yeah, I think Peppers is good too.
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Just to add.....
A lot of people don't even bother to read the thread. They'll just hop on and post when what they've posted has been posted right before them and claim they "just didn't see it". and sometimes, they'll even post something even though it's been posted right ahead of them, too
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