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Figured I'd post it before pit did. Just goes to show what polls mean. My guess is, if the 45% were asked what impeachment meant, 2% would know. But, anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,doesn't look like it will happen, as there has been nothing to impeach over. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070706/pl_afp/uspoliticsbush
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He should be, then he should be thrown out of office.
He's a disgrace to our country, and I'm so glad that many people see now what I saw in 2000 and again in 2004.
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What should he be impeached for? The article even states that the dem congress is ignoring this, basically...........exactly what should he be impeached for? Cause you don't like him? Sorry. Because he "lied" to get us into a war? Sorry, first of all, that's wrong, secondly, no dem or repub. in congress will go that way, since they all voted for the war because "they read the intel.".............so, what should he be impeached for? Well, unemployment has held steady at 4.5 %, the economy is doing well, jobs come and they go, just as they always have, so why should he be impeached again? Oh, Libbey..........wait, can't impeach on that, can you? Do you know what "impeach" means? And what is required to be impeached? Or perhaps you are one of the 1100 that were called...............polls mean jack. The only things polls are good for is strippers (poles) and liberals (cause they'll change their mind on anything if a "poll" says they should) 
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The study by the private New Hampshire-based ARG canvassed 1,100 Americans by telephone July 3-5 and had an error margin of plus or minus three percentage points.
Current Estimated United States Population Total: 301,139,950
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Thanks, that's kinda why I thought I'd post it first...........as I said, polls mean jack squat, really.
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He should be, then he should be thrown out of office.
He's a disgrace to our country, and I'm so glad that many people see now what I saw in 2000 and again in 2004.
lmao, read the article before you make crazy claims.... 1,100 people were polled, hardly half of the US population. that is what these articles thrive on, people who believe their mis-representative headlines. there is what 300 million people in the u.s. and they are claiming that 1,100 people are half of the us public... i'm not good with math, but 1,100 is no 150 million. Plus you don't know who they polled (they could have polled anti war, liberals, etc etc)
Its so funny that polls like this get eaten up by the press and the unknowing public so ready to bash someone, but its sad that people don't do 2 minutes of due diligence and do some fact finding to how many people were polled, what their demographic was, and what agenda the poller is trying to push.
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Lmao ... you're probably pissed that Bush didn't apologize to you for the war taking longer than your so-called attention span.
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[ducks head into fray] Uh, guys, no poll that "reflects" American opinion actually calls every American [/runs away with tail between legs]
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[ducks head into fray] Uh, guys, no poll that "reflects" American opinion actually calls every American [/runs away with tail between legs]
You are quite correct - all polls are based on 800 to about 1500 people.........however, the question asked can mandate the answer, and if you don't believe that, you're crazy.......Plus, the headline takes the cake. Instead of saying "Majority of Americans don't approve of impeachment", they chose the tact of "45% approve....." Now, of those 45%, I'd love to know how many even know what impeachment means........that would make for a more beneficial poll. I'd love to know how many are working a full time job, how many are paying taxes, how many are homeowners, and how many are on welfare..........among other things.
To take this poll, or any poll for that matter, at face value is the same as being deceived.........polls suck, and can say anything the poller wants them to say. And this is a perfect example - intstead of "majority don't approve impeachment" we get "45% approve it"
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Wonder if they just called people in new hampshire.
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The study by the private New Hampshire-based ARG canvassed 1,100 Americans by telephone July 3-5 and had an error margin of plus or minus three percentage points.
Current Estimated United States Population Total: 301,139,950
Ever heard of something called a "representative sample"? Perhaps you shouldn't have skipped out on Stats 101.
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Unfortunately, probably about 70% of those who answered "yes" have no idea what impeachment is ..... what the criteria is for impeachment and removal from office ...... or even who their Congressman and Senator are.
A large portion of the public is happily ignorant. Sad but true.
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You are quite correct - all polls are based on 800 to about 1500 people.........however, the question asked can mandate the answer, and if you don't believe that, you're crazy.......Plus, the headline takes the cake. Instead of saying "Majority of Americans don't approve of impeachment", they chose the tact of "45% approve....."
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Polls mean nothing,.
Poll do mean nothing -- to you, when you're too lazy to even bother looking up the methodology behind the poll in question but instead spout meaningless knee-jerk crap that you think offers constructive criticism or a meaningful argument against this particular survey.
For those who do actually want to learn something and not simply rip apart an industry-respected organization that specializes in conducting exactly these types of polls for a living, I was able to find the following specifics related to this poll in about 15 seconds of searching on Google.
As per http://americanresearchgroup.com/, the question asked was:
"Do you favor or oppose the US House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against President George W. Bush?"
The specifics of the poll were as follows: Based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews among a random sample of adults nationwide July 3-5, 2007. The theoretical margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points, 95% of the time. Of the total sample, 933 interviews were completed among registered voters.
These are the full results:
So, you can go on and on about how polls mean nothing, can be worded to lead the sample audience, biased, conducted on flawed random samples, etc. -- which can all be true, depending on how the poll was conducted -- but when you have no idea of what the question was, no idea of who the sample audience was, no understanding of how the poll was conducted, no idea what the margin of error was, or who the sample audience was comprised of, you have absolutely no basis for counter argument.
The only person you are confusing is yourself.
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Throw him and Chaney out of there at once!, It doesn't matter if it's a democrat or a republican, just as long as they do a really good job. Chaney=joke.  I''m a little fuzzy on something? Didn't he try to say he wasn't part of the executive branch or something like that?
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You are quite correct - all polls are based on 800 to about 1500 people.........however, the question asked can mandate the answer, and if you don't believe that, you're crazy.......Plus, the headline takes the cake. Instead of saying "Majority of Americans don't approve of impeachment", they chose the tact of "45% approve....."
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Polls mean nothing,.
Poll do mean nothing -- to you, when you're too lazy to even bother looking up the methodology behind the poll in question but instead spout meaningless knee-jerk crap that you think offers constructive criticism or a meaningful argument against this particular survey.
For those who do actually want to learn something and not simply rip apart an industry-respected organization that specializes in conducting exactly these types of polls for a living, I was able to find the following specifics related to this poll in about 15 seconds of searching on Google.
As per http://americanresearchgroup.com/, the question asked was:
"Do you favor or oppose the US House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against President George W. Bush?"
The specifics of the poll were as follows: Based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews among a random sample of adults nationwide July 3-5, 2007. The theoretical margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points, 95% of the time. Of the total sample, 933 interviews were completed among registered voters.
These are the full results:
So, you can go on and on about how polls mean nothing, can be worded to lead the sample audience, biased, conducted on flawed random samples, etc. -- which can all be true, depending on how the poll was conducted -- but when you have no idea of what the question was, no idea of who the sample audience was, no understanding of how the poll was conducted, no idea what the margin of error was, or who the sample audience was comprised of, you have absolutely no basis for counter argument.
The only person you are confusing is yourself.
I think you just proved the point of how worthless this poll is....
lets see the largest group asked were.........suprise...Democrats
the smallest group polled was ........suprise again...Republicans
The question is completely biased....Impeach him for WHAT????? This just goes to show how many people out there have no idea what the impeachment process is....
Lastly....no matter how random their poll pattern is...(as far as where these people who were polled are)...1100 people out of 300,000,000 is no indication whatsoever to the national picture. when you are getting into the tens and hundreds of thousands( would be even better with a million) with a random sampling...then you have better legs to stand on....but 1100....That is barely a large enough sample for polling the fans at a Browns Game
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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He should be, then he should be thrown out of office.
He's a disgrace to our country, and I'm so glad that many people see now what I saw in 2000 and again in 2004.
You need to stay in college a little longer and take some government courses. Now if he were mayor of Cleveland, and you wanted to recall him, then your comments may make sense.
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Exactly Pete ... You really think 38% Democrat, 29% Republican and 33% Independant is really representative of our country??? And back to the whole "statistics" part of it ... there's also the whole concept of "large enough sample size". Do you think 1100 people are going to represent 300 million accurately?? Try dividing those two numbers and you get exponential fractions on your calculator. To put that into better perspective ... Cleveland Stadium holds 72,000 people ... you take a representative sample with the same percentage of this survey, and you'd have almost 25% of ONE PERSON sampled. So basically, you ask one person in the stadium what they thought about the team's direction in general ... and their single opinion would be 4 times more representative of ticket holders than this survey is of our country. Just hope they don't ask Vers. 
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Just hope they don't ask Vers.
Wow...and polling Verse would be 400% more accurate than this poll....LMAO
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Clinton was impeached, but then again, he lied to Congress under oath. It's O.K. when they do it to us...but don't you ever do it to them!!! Even if Bush had impeachable offenses, there aren't enough votes to take him out of office, so all you Bush haters will just have to wait 1 year, 6 months, and 13 days for your next face in the White House. With any luck, our next president will be smarter than our bombs.
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Even if Bush had impeachable offenses
What do you mean if Bush had impeachable offenses?
No WMD's, and Bush knew. And lied to all of us.
9/11 & Al-Queda had nothing to do with Saddam and Iraq.
Halliburton does business in Dubai to avoid trade laws which prevent nuclear technology going to US foes. Did you know that Chaney was the CEO of Halliburton before taking the VP under Bush? Did you also know that Halliburton gets billion dollar non-compete contracts? And that Chaney owns thousands of shares of stock in Halliburton, and is still on their payroll despite being the VP? Because of the war, Chaney has made millions of dollars through Halliburton. Sounds like a conflict of interest, no?
Illegal wiretaping
The crippling of our Constitution and the federal checks and balances.
And how about the whole "Scooter" Libby ordeal? Libby lied, obstructed justice, and leaked the name of a CIA operative? And he gets two years probation. Come now.
Some of you here need to read the following:
Washington Post's Report Chaney
The Iraq war is a war of ego, lies, and money. I'm not going to argue that Saddam wasn't a horrible human being, and he got everything he deserved. But not at the cost of 3,500+ american soldiers. A few of those were my friends.
Our personal rights and freedoms today are severely limited compared to just a few years ago.
Throw Bush and Chaney out of the Whitehouse and into jail.
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What do you mean if Bush had impeachable offenses?
No WMD's, and Bush knew. And lied to all of us.
9/11 & Al-Queda had nothing to do with Saddam and Iraq.
Halliburton does business in Dubai to avoid trade laws which prevent nuclear technology going to US foes. Did you know that Chaney was the CEO of Halliburton before taking the VP under Bush? Did you also know that Halliburton gets billion dollar non-compete contracts? And that Chaney owns thousands of shares of stock in Halliburton, and is still on their payroll despite being the VP? Because of the war, Chaney has made millions of dollars through Halliburton. Sounds like a conflict of interest, no?
Illegal wiretaping
The crippling of our Constitution and the federal checks and balances.
And how about the whole "Scooter" Libby ordeal? Libby lied, obstructed justice, and leaked the name of a CIA operative? And he gets two years probation. Come now.
Some of you here need to read the following:
Washington Post's Report Chaney
The Iraq war is a war of ego, lies, and money. I'm not going to argue that Saddam wasn't a horrible human being, and he got everything he deserved. But not at the cost of 3,500+ american soldiers. A few of those were my friends.
Our personal rights and freedoms today are severely limited compared to just a few years ago.
Throw Bush and Chaney out of the Whitehouse and into jail.
"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin
And he is soooo serial...... Man Bear Pig HAS to be dealt with!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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OK I took a representative poll of fans in the Cleveland area, and 98 percent agreed that the Steelers suck.
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Even if Bush had impeachable offenses
What do you mean if Bush had impeachable offenses?
No WMD's, and Bush knew. And lied to all of us.
9/11 & Al-Queda had nothing to do with Saddam and Iraq.
Halliburton does business in Dubai to avoid trade laws which prevent nuclear technology going to US foes. Did you know that Chaney was the CEO of Halliburton before taking the VP under Bush? Did you also know that Halliburton gets billion dollar non-compete contracts? And that Chaney owns thousands of shares of stock in Halliburton, and is still on their payroll despite being the VP? Because of the war, Chaney has made millions of dollars through Halliburton. Sounds like a conflict of interest, no?
Illegal wiretaping
The crippling of our Constitution and the federal checks and balances.
And how about the whole "Scooter" Libby ordeal? Libby lied, obstructed justice, and leaked the name of a CIA operative? And he gets two years probation. Come now.
Some of you here need to read the following:
Washington Post's Report Chaney
The Iraq war is a war of ego, lies, and money. I'm not going to argue that Saddam wasn't a horrible human being, and he got everything he deserved. But not at the cost of 3,500+ american soldiers. A few of those were my friends.
Our personal rights and freedoms today are severely limited compared to just a few years ago.
Throw Bush and Chaney out of the Whitehouse and into jail.
"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin
And he is soooo serial...... Man Bear Pig HAS to be dealt with!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush, Chaney and their administration are committing honest-to-god crimes. They feed us lies. It's not like this stuff is coming from the tabloids.
If you are so quick to support Bush, you better be down at the recruiters office today and continue the fight.
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Bush, Chaney and their administration are committing honest-to-god crimes. They feed us lies. It's not like this stuff is coming from the tabloids.
If you are so quick to support Bush, you better be down at the recruiters office today and continue the fight.
And the search for MBP goes on........
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He should be, then he should be thrown out of office.
He's a disgrace to our country, and I'm so glad that many people see now what I saw in 2000 and again in 2004.
Do they have a course at your school called "Get a clue "? 
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Bush lied...Bush lied and people died...Bush sucks and so does his whole administration and family....Bush caused Libby to reveal the CIA operative's name and risked her life. Bush hates the protections of the Constitution and tries to violate it every chance he gets. His war is only about oil and revenging his daddy.
We are criminals and Al Quiada are just tough freedom fighters wanting to return home to pray and raise meager crops. Bush deserved to be impeached and go to prison for life along with Cheney and Karl Rove. I support the troops but not the war.I didn't finish my report because the dog ate my draft, my grandma died again, it wasn't my fault...they just have it in for me.
Jesus man.....are you nuts?
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It doesn't suit their political equasion,prefrance or beliefs. So they dismiss it. but the "key number" is the independants. Those are the people who decide elections. And right now? Wheather they like it,laugh about it or dismiss it,the independants are sick of the deciet,the secrecy and the cover ups. Every poll from everywhere won't change the fact that that VAST majority of Americans are sick and tired of King Ralph and his minions. And the only defense they have is to laugh. But the joke's on them. Denial doesn't change the reality of it all. Just a sophmoric way to try to belittle others who do not share their views. But they won't be laughing long once reality smacks them right in the forehead. The sad part about it is,they don't seem to get it,that their dismissive,belittling and self rightious attitude is exactly what's turning most of the public against their kind and this administration. So carry on boys. You're digging your own graves!
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He's no more nuts than those who have blinded themselves. Blinded themselves from the reality of the misdeeds of this administration. And blindly following a leader who isn't fit to be dog catcher.
At some point,I would have thought rational,fairly smart people could be rational and objective. MANY GOP Senators have and the list grows longer every day. Even his own kind can see it. Accept on this message board. They don't care about right and wrong. They don't care about the lies permiated by this White House.
They've sold out their morality and integrity,their ability to be objective for a "King" who's not worthy of being court jester. Because they're blinded. Blinded by foolish pride,that no matter WHAT Bush does,their principlas are abondoned because they simply can't face the reality that they were wrong about him all along.
Sad really. But it won't change the facts. It won't change what's coming. And you can't change reality simply by dismissing it.
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Current Estimated United States Population Total: 301,139,950
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Even if Bush had impeachable offenses
What do you mean if Bush had impeachable offenÉes?
No WMD's, and Bush knew. And lied to all of us.
9/11 & Al-Queda had nothing to do with Saddam and Iraq.
Halliburton does business in Dubai to avoid trade laws which prevent nuclear technology going to US foes. Did you know that Chaney was the CEO of Halliburton before taking the VP under Bush? Did you also know that Halliburton gets billion dollar non-compete contracts? And that Chaney owns thousands of shares of stock in Halliburton, and is still on their payroll despite being the VP? Because of the war, Chaney has made millions of dollars through Halliburton. Sounds like a conflict of interest, no?
Illegal wiretaping
The crippling of our Constitution and the federal checks and balances.
And how about the whole "Scooter" Libby ordeal? Libby lied, obstructed justice, and leaked the name of a CIA operative? And he gets two years probation. Come now.
Some of you here need to read the following:
Washington Post's Report Chaney
The Iraq war is a war of ego, lies, and money. I'm not going to argue that Saddam wasn't a horrible human being, and he got everything he deserved. But not at the cost of 3,500+ american soldiers. A few of those were my friends.
Our personal rights and freedoms today are severely limited compared to just a few years ago.
Throw Bush and Chaney out of the Whitehouse and into jail.
"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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Even if Bush had impeachable offenses
What do you mean if Bush had impeachable offenses?
No WMD's, and Bush knew. And lied to all of us.
9/11 & Al-Queda had nothing to do with Saddam and Iraq.
Halliburton does business in Dubai to avoid trade laws which prevent nuclear technology going to US foes. Did you know that Chaney was the CEO of Halliburton before taking the VP under Bush? Did you also know that Halliburton gets billion dollar non-compete contracts? And that Chaney owns thousands of shares of stock in Halliburton, and is still on their payroll despite being the VP? Because of the war, Chaney has made millions of dollars through Halliburton. Sounds like a conflict of interest, no?
Illegal wiretaping
The crippling of our Constitution and the federal checks and balances.
And how about the whole "Scooter" Libby ordeal? Libby lied, obstructed justice, and leaked the name of a CIA operative? And he gets two years probation. Come now.
Some of you here need to read the following:
Washington Post's Report Chaney
The Iraq war is a war of ego, lies, and money. I'm not going to argue that Saddam wasn't a horrible human being, and he got everything he deserved. But not at the cost of 3,500+ american soldiers. A few of those were my friends.
Our personal rights and freedoms today are severely limited compared to just a few years ago.
Throw Bush and Chaney out of the Whitehouse and into jail.
"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin
Thank you.
Then throw in this Scooter Libby thing and the overall blatant disregard of the Constitution and you're telling me there's nothing to get the Bush Administration thrown out of office for?
The guy's a tyrant, pure and simple.
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The US Constitution says:
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
If you look at the language of the document, it is very clear what is an impeachable offense. How it would be iinterpreted today is a different question.
I do not care for President Bush (though I supported the immigration proposal), however, any talk of impeachment is ridiculous. If you look through the history of the office of the presidency, all presidents committ acts that are considered questionable or are clearly illegal. Bush impeachment talk is hogwash.
The public opinon polls are irrelevant on this issue. To quote President Ford "What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body [the Senate] considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office."
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It doesn't suit their political equasion,prefrance or beliefs. So they dismiss it.
Weren't you on here a month or two ago dismissing a poll because it didn't align with your beliefs, and everybody called YOU on it?
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but the "key number" is the independants.
No, the "key number" is 1100 polled. Just so you know ... that's .0004% of the nation. Yes that's into 10 thousandths of a percent.
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the independants are sick of the deciet,the secrecy and the cover ups.
Well at least 33% of 4 ten-THOUSANDTHS of Americans are. 
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Just a sophmoric way to try to belittle others who do not share their views.
Funny how you manage to "belittle others" while chastising them for it, all in the same sentence. 
By the way, I just took an informal poll ... 100% of board members think your opinions are inane and you should be removed from the board. Just so you know ... my survey represents 300% more people from this board than this survey does of our country.
I also just noticed this was a random PHONE survey ... I can imagine how that went:
American #1:
*phone rings*
"Hi, I'm conducting a survey about impeaching Bush ... "
*click*
American: #2:
*phone rings*
"Hi, I'm conducting a survey about impeaching Bush ..."
*foaming at the mouth*
"Yeah I'll answer questions!"
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I have no use for Bush. It didn't used to be that way. Before he got elected I didn't have any strong opinion of him one way or another. My opinion on impeachment? I'll put it this way: the media conducting meaningless polls while avoiding real issues probably helps explain why there is little hope to avoid his type in the future.
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Even if Bush had impeachable offenses
What do you mean if Bush had impeachable offenses?
No WMD's, and Bush knew. And lied to all of us.
9/11 & Al-Queda had nothing to do with Saddam and Iraq.
Halliburton does business in Dubai to avoid trade laws which prevent nuclear technology going to US foes. Did you know that Chaney was the CEO of Halliburton before taking the VP under Bush? Did you also know that Halliburton gets billion dollar non-compete contracts? And that Chaney owns thousands of shares of stock in Halliburton, and is still on their payroll despite being the VP? Because of the war, Chaney has made millions of dollars through Halliburton. Sounds like a conflict of interest, no?
Illegal wiretaping
The crippling of our Constitution and the federal checks and balances.
And how about the whole "Scooter" Libby ordeal? Libby lied, obstructed justice, and leaked the name of a CIA operative? And he gets two years probation. Come now.
Some of you here need to read the following:
Washington Post's Report Chaney
The Iraq war is a war of ego, lies, and money. I'm not going to argue that Saddam wasn't a horrible human being, and he got everything he deserved. But not at the cost of 3,500+ american soldiers. A few of those were my friends.
Our personal rights and freedoms today are severely limited compared to just a few years ago.
Throw Bush and Chaney out of the Whitehouse and into jail.
"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin
Thanks for posting this. I am glad, I wasn't blinded by the errors that Clinton made, just because of the party he was under. It amazes me how otherwise intelligent people allow certain allegiances to cloud their otherwise sensible minds.
"They had it before you, They had it during you, They"ll have it after you're gone."
Al McGuire on Kentucky basketball tradition.
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Pretty much every viable candidate for office is a tool. We need to elect Ron Paul.
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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You have a problem that they polled the 1,100 members of "Muslims For Jihad" ?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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It doesn't suit their political equasion,prefrance or beliefs. So they dismiss it.
Weren't you on here a month or two ago dismissing a poll because it didn't align with your beliefs, and everybody called YOU on it?[
No,you really need to check your facts. I allowed for the margin of error that exists in all polls. Didn't dismiss "the poll" at all.
Just like this poll. I'm sure there's a "margin of error". Most polls it's either three or four percent. So in reality,it could be anywhere from 42%-48%. That's the reality of all polls.
I pointed that out on a poll DC posted and as you can see here,I just pointed it out on this one. All polls have a "margin of error". There are no acceptions.
You simply want to dismiss anything that doesn't follow your line of thinking. The last election should have given you some indication on how independant voters are feeling and it's only getting worse.
Of course you will never face up to it untill after the election in 08. And even then you'll blame it on "the public is stupid","voters are uneducated" or some other meaningless drivel like you guys always do to make your line of reasoning appear somehow "superior" to others.
It's the same old song and dance. Haven't you figured it out yet? You've worn that kind of BS out. And that has a lot to do with Independant voters thinking too. The "self rightious" act is wearing thin and distancing themselves from it looks quite refreshing to many.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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