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Saw this on reddit. 
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Kid is just plain fun to watch. Looking forward to watching him again this year.
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Honestly, I thought he was a bright spot. At least he made some plays.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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After looking at this infographic, it made me think that they felt comfortable with our CBs. We just needed Safety and a pass rush and they addressed both of those. I am excited.
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After looking at this infographic, it made me think that they felt comfortable with our CBs. We just needed Safety and a pass rush and they addressed both of those. I am excited. I do agree in part, but did they really address FS? That's our one glaring weakness on D in my opinion
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FS no, but SS yes. I think maybe we can mitigate the FS impact with a great pass rush. (i pray we have a great pass rush)
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FS no, but SS yes. I think maybe we can mitigate the FS impact with a great pass rush. (i pray we have a great pass rush) If we dont have a great pass rush now, something is wrong. We drafted a 1st round guy (Ogbah) and the best pass rusher to come out in a long time at #1 overall. Plus, we drafted Shelton in the 1st round and committed money to Collins. Lastly, we drafted an attacking safety in the 1st round too. We better have the best pass rush in recent Browns history.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I don't believe that the FS spot can be mitigated.
That's your only true help over the top for your CB's.
I understand everyone is high on our potential pass rush. I am as well. The problem being, even great D's don't get pressure on the QB all of the time. A great pass rush will help in the fact you don't need a great FS on every play. But what not having a good one will do is show that weakness on every passing down where we're not breathing down the QB's neck.
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I don't believe that the FS spot can be mitigated.
That's your only true help over the top for your CB's.
I understand everyone is high on our potential pass rush. I am as well. The problem being, even great D's don't get pressure on the QB all of the time. A great pass rush will help in the fact you don't need a great FS on every play. But what not having a good one will do is show that weakness on every passing down where we're not breathing down the QB's neck. Agreed. But I don't think we're necessarily done at FS either. I'm interested to see who gets through cuts and things like that. Sure wish we never let Gipson go though....... He'd be perfect
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I don't believe that the FS spot can be mitigated.
That's your only true help over the top for your CB's.
I understand everyone is high on our potential pass rush. I am as well. The problem being, even great D's don't get pressure on the QB all of the time. A great pass rush will help in the fact you don't need a great FS on every play. But what not having a good one will do is show that weakness on every passing down where we're not breathing down the QB's neck. Agreed. But I don't think we're necessarily done at FS either. I'm interested to see who gets through cuts and things like that. Sure wish we never let Gipson go though....... He'd be perfect FS is a tough position to fill right now in the NFL ... there's a few good ones, and then some below average ones. I'd say 25 of 32 teams say "We need a good FS". As for Gipson, IIRC his season was not good last year. But he's still better than what we have
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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This is pretty surprising to me. I thought he was grossly overrated on here and really not all that big of a deal.
Maybe I need to take another look at things.
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Wasn't he primarily asked to cover slot and #2? I thought Jamar covered the #1's while Haden was playing scared.
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This is pretty surprising to me. I thought he was grossly overrated on here and really not all that big of a deal.
Maybe I need to take another look at things.
I didn't want to say it, but yeah - I cannot recall that much of an effect, but perhaps I too need to go back and have a look.
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I don't believe that the FS spot can be mitigated.
That's your only true help over the top for your CB's.
I understand everyone is high on our potential pass rush. I am as well. The problem being, even great D's don't get pressure on the QB all of the time. A great pass rush will help in the fact you don't need a great FS on every play. But what not having a good one will do is show that weakness on every passing down where we're not breathing down the QB's neck. Agreed. But I don't think we're necessarily done at FS either. I'm interested to see who gets through cuts and things like that. Sure wish we never let Gipson go though....... He'd be perfect I expect Ed Reynolds to take a step forward this year. He has an NFL pedigree, is a solid tackler, and is good against the run. He needs to improve in coverage, but I think with the revamped front seven, the new defensive system, the new DC, and this being his third year, I'm looking forward to seeing major improvement in his play. JMHO
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I like the kid, but I thought he was a play maker for both teams. LOL
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I expect Ed Reynolds to take a step forward this year. He has an NFL pedigree, is a solid tackler, and is good against the run. He needs to improve in coverage, but I think with the revamped front seven, the new defensive system, the new DC, and this being his third year, I'm looking forward to seeing major improvement in his play. JMHO
Totally agree, Cal. Without strictly focusing on him last season, I liked what I saw and believe he has solid potential and gets little love on here. As it stands at this moment, FS is his job to solidify or to lose...
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I like the kid, but I thought he was a play maker for both teams. LOL well said
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It will be what it will be... I scringe at the term IT BETTER BE...or else what?
Btw for the record Ogbah was a 2nd round pick not a first.
It can only go up fellas...Give the young guys time to grow...I know most are inpatient but Ogbah is young heading in year two...Shelton in his 3rd year I think has arrived. Larry O a 3rd round rookie or somebody else will be there...Garrett a rookie with loads of talent. Let them grow. We will 100% be better how much? I cannot say!
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He's actually going to be the elite player next year Not sure about that, but he was pretty darn good last year. Now with some experience, I would expect to see him being even better. I know you were joking. But, who knows? He has the high twitch motor skills. That's 60% of being able to play corner. The other stuff you can learn through coaching, playing, and gaining confidence. A year under the belt is only going to be a good thing.
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He looked really good in his rookie year BUT he needs to prove himself over the next two years before he becomes legit.
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It was a joke, but it's more tongue in cheek then you're giving me credit for. I actually really like BBC. I still have questions about him covering #1's last year, but I think he can fill the role of Buster Skrine and give us a top notch nickel corner and a good #2. Personally him and Tyvis are my favorite players of the DB's rn. Gotta root for a guy who wants it badly and will put in the work. He wasn't even on the preseason roster. He came in during the first week of the season and showed he could play right away. I like it.
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It will be what it will be... I scringe at the term IT BETTER BE...or else what?
Btw for the record Ogbah was a 2nd round pick not a first.
be better how much? I cannot say! well, he was the 32nd pick
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With the Mccourty signing, I'm wondering if BBC might be tried at FS.
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On of the media reports that I read, might have been the PD, they might try MoCourty at FS.
BBC made me take notice last year. I thought he was a bright spot in that secondary. Really scrappy kid who showed toughness in his run support along with making plays in coverage. Yeah, he got beat some but I like his potential.
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With the signing of McCourty I wonder if he will play FS and BBC at nickel and Jamar/Joe at CB?
OR, could BBC move to FS? He was pretty much our lone ball hawk last year.
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Did he have any experience there in college?
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Not that I'm aware of. I think most of the speculation is due to the fact that his twin brother made the cb->fs transition for the Patriots.
Don't think BBC did either. No mention of it anywhere that I could find. Being 5'9" makes it unlikely to me.
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He's listed at 5'9, 193. I'm not convinced BBC is safety material. He's a corner.
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Thanks, but I was asking about BBC because that is who Dep was referring to.
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That's where I was going lol.
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Well, then FS has to be Ed Reynolds' position to lose.
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He looked really good in his rookie year BUT he needs to prove himself over the next two years before he becomes legit. I cannot wait to watch this guy play this year. I love great corner play, and he played great last year. Not perfect, but really, really good. I'm just waiting for an article talking about how much work he put in over the off season. I need to know he's dedicated himself to this after proving to himself he can do it. When you draft well, you can become a really good team. When you can draft well and have some surprise UDFAs, you can really fill out a team. If Haden can just play decent and the corners stay healthy, we have a good threesome.
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Well, then FS has to be Ed Reynolds' position to lose. If the scheme were the same as was played last year then I could agree. We know for sure the scheme will not be the same. There are other players who may come into the locker room already a better fit with what Williams wants at the position. Reynolds deserves a look but he is by no means a lock.
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Can I ask why people are so high on Ed Reynolds?
He literally showed zilch last year. Calhoun flashed constantly. Yet we have guys who can't wait to see Reynolds play and others downplaying Calhoun.
Do people actually watch the games?
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He made plays, is what I remember. The pass rush was so bad, it's not surprising our secondary struggled, and yet bbc did good things. Others who are more detailed-oriented and watch all facets might see something different, but for the most part he played well. With the exception of the fumble at the pylon, when he almost had his second pick-six. Although that helped us lose to Pitt and draft Garrett. 
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Well, then FS has to be Ed Reynolds' position to lose. If the scheme were the same as was played last year then I could agree. We know for sure the scheme will not be the same. There are other players who may come into the locker room already a better fit with what Williams wants at the position. Reynolds deserves a look but he is by no means a lock. I keep forgetting about Powell who should be able to compete for the gig.
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I haven't forgotten about Powell. That is why I am not all hung up on switching everybody over to safety.
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He made plays, is what I remember. The pass rush was so bad, it's not surprising our secondary struggled, and yet bbc did good things. Others who are more detailed-oriented and watch all facets might see something different, but for the most part he played well. With the exception of the fumble at the pylon, when he almost had his second pick-six. Although that helped us lose to Pitt and draft Garrett. He did make some plays. He also got beat for some really big plays. Not sure what his 40 time was in college, but guys were running by him in one-on-one situations. I also do not agree that the pass rush was the issue for the secondaries problems. Yes, I admit that a good pass rush is very helpful, but our coverage guys were downright awful. WRs were running open all over the field and it wasn't because the qb had all day to throw. I like BBC and I think I was the first guy to compliment his play in the Post Game threads in the Game Day forum, but I don't think he is a guy we can count on to be an every down player. I personally think the Browns did not do enough to improve the weakest unit on the team and that unit is going to struggle once again this upcoming year. We'll see...
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