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What I find interesting is that the Russian Foreign Ministry has also said that this news is fake. They were my guess if there was a leak. So will the sources say what the information was? It's no longer classified.

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Russia also claims it didn't hack the DNC. Israel has confirmed that Trump shared information that Israel shared with the US. We're not going to get the info, because it pertains to ISIS troop movements and bases.

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How does Israel know what info was shared?

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For those interested, this story about Trump can all be explained by figuring out who owns WaPo and the comments Trump made concerning this person. It is simple political/business warfare and smear campaigns that has nothing to do with national security.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
How does Israel know what info was shared?



Because our militaries are BFFs. It wouldn't be unusual for all of our allies to ask the US what info they gave to the Russians. Despite what American white nationalists say, Russia is not our friend.

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I never said russia was our friend.

I'm simply curious as to how Israel supposedly already knows what "info" trump told the russians.

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Because Mossad is one of the top intelligence agencies in the world. Probably only after the CIA. Not to mention both of them are tied to the hip. I think we'll learn a lot more in the next few days. The head of the CIA is briefing some senators tonight. Some hill members are demanding transcripts. It'll be a fun week. Maybe Trump will have watergated himself twice in one week for Mother Russia. Maybe not.

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Trump revealing classified information is not illegal though so how would he water gate himself with this?

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Man CHS you really hate white people wtf is up with that

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Man CHS you really hate white people wtf is up with that


When u become a communist u automatically hate white people. Just as Republicans automatically hate poc and women. just the politics of it.

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Trust me if anything is going on between Russia and Trump nobody is going to find out. At least one of the parties is to smart to get caught.


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Trust me if anything is going on between Russia and Trump nobody is going to find out. At least one of the parties is to smart to get caught.


????


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That's the dumbest weirdest almost moronic remark ever I have seen here SMH

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It's not Trump LOL


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Trump shared intel that was code word secret, higher than top secret, with RUSSIA. Now a memo written by Comey after a meeting with Trump details Trump wanting Comey to let the Flynn investigation go because he's a good guy. That's impeachable if proven.

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Secret isnt higher than top secret. LOL This is why I cant take any of you people seriously. You are all clueless about the government.

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So trump asked Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn, as well as pledge loyalty to him?

Absolutely disgusting.


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
It's not Trump LOL


You're boy is committing obstruction of justice, and the argument can be made he committed treason.

Yea, it's Trump.


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pssssttt he is not the smart one bro.


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
pssssttt he is not the smart one bro.


But he is the one in charge currently. Even if he's getting orders from the kremlin.


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LMFAO He is not listening to any orders other than his own.


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
LMFAO He is not listening to any orders other than his own.

uh huh


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Well Arch, Peen, Eve etc.

your boy just admitted to the very thing you wanted to argue with me over.

i understand it's early in the day, but i hope we get a response from y'all sometime today.

O'reilly's spin factor show is over, so we need new blood in order to spin these stories.




He is trying to repair relations with the Russians. They have had planes blow up more than we have.


Good first step to improve the bond.

Why wouldn't you share that information?


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Doesn't look like he's trying to repair anything. It looks like he's working for them.

Colluding with the Russians isn't repairing relations; its treason. Demanding the FBI director pledge loyalty and dumps an investigation into Flynn, and then firing him when he doesn't get what he wants isn't leadership: it's obstruction of justice.

Maybe instead of improving bonds with a country that wants nothing more than to undermine us, he should show some freaking loyalty to this country.

But he acts like he's got a pee video he hopes doesn't get leaked. Gotta bark when masters says so, after all.

Also:

All the times Trump railed on Twitter about leaks of classified information

https://www.yahoo.com/news/times-trump-railed-twitter-leaks-classified-information-154920007.html

That Twitter, yo. Looks like trump was predicting his own presidency. Ms Cleo


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From what I've heard, him sharing the info wasn't illegal. It's been alleged that he (perhaps not outright) his lips were loose enough that he gave away WHERE he got the info.

THAT IS BAD.

Very likely life threatening for those who passed the info onto us. Also very unlikely they'll share info with us in the future.

Beck was clear on this today. Whether he 'intended' it or not does not matter, it didn't matter to those of us on the right whether Hillary intended to do or not.

Therefore it can't matter to those of us on the right whether Trump intended to or not.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
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pssssttt he is not the smart one bro.


But he is the one in charge currently. Even if he's getting orders from the kremlin.


Doesn't look like you caught the joke. GM was calling Trump stupid.


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Yea I missed it.

Sorry bro but right now this is really bad.


Trump Gave Info To Russians CNN Was Asked Not To Report For Fear Of Losing Lives

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-gave-russians-cnn-asked-225316633.html

So apparently the info was secret enough that officials were trying to get networks not to run with it, especially since we have people on ground there, and now they're at a higher risk than before because of trump.

And I'm glad it got reported by other news groups. This could've ended tragically to one of our own if something just "happened" to our intel source on the ground.

Man oh man.


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So, let me see if I have this right.

The "classified" info trump supposedly gave the russians...............cnn had that info? But was asked not to divulge it?

CNN had the information?

How the hell is that "classified"?

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Secret isnt higher than top secret. LOL This is why I cant take any of you people seriously. You are all clueless about the government.


Here you go, just another fact for you to try to wrap around:


The intelligence President Trump shared with the Russians ‘was classified above Top Secret’

Rob Waugh for Metro.co.ukTuesday 16 May 2017 4:24 pm

How secret was the information which Donald Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office? Very, very secret.

It was so secret in fact that it’s classified a level above Top Secret – it’s ‘Code Word’ classified.

Amy Zeigart at The Atlantic says that Code Word secrecy is so classified that ‘even fake spies rarely refer to it in the movies’.

For context, Top Secret information is considered to pose a risk of ‘exceptionally grave damage’ to US national security if leaked

‘Code Word’ secrets are more secret than that – restricted to a specific pool of high-level officials on a need-to-know basis.

Earlier today, Trump admitted to sharing information – saying he wanted to share with Russia ‘facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety’.

Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry, described the reports as ‘yet more fake news’ only for Trump to later confess passing on the classified intelligence.

He notes that as president, he has an ‘absolute right’ to do this.

The Washington Post reported Monday that Trump divulged highly classified ‘code-word’ information that could enable the Russians to trace the source of the intelligence.

Trump added: ‘Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism.’

Despite Trump’s admission, Russia’s foreign ministry spokesman has denied reports that the President revealed classified information to senior officials during the Russian minister’s visit to the Oval Office last week.

The Washington Post reported on Monday that the revelation put a source of intelligence on the Islamic State at risk.

The reports came several days after the White House faced criticism for a possible security breach after it allowed a Russian news service photographer into the Oval Office to snap photos of Trump with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak last week.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/16/the-intell...secret-6641808/



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Me thinks super duper top secret is usually reserved for JFK assasination plots. Maybe Trump was told of another false flag CIA/Mossad plot to blow up a Russian plane with lap tops to keep the ISIS boogie man alive.

See how easy it is to make crap up.

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That's fine, but thats not what you stated. You tried to claim Secret is higher than Top Secret.

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That's fine, but thats not what you stated. You tried to claim Secret is higher than Top Secret.




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Trump shared intel that was code word secret, higher than top secret, with RUSSIA.


Read it again there Eve, but I can see how you read it that way so I understand the confusion. No big deal between the best of friends. wink

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
So, let me see if I have this right.

The "classified" info trump supposedly gave the russians...............cnn had that info? But was asked not to divulge it?

CNN had the information?

How the hell is that "classified"?


You being ridiculous for no reason. If the information got leaked, then that doesn't make it unclassified.

For example, let's say we're downrange. I can share a manifest -which is secret- for a convoy op going out with someone else who is also on the mission (obviously what trump shared was top secret, but for this example). If that same manifest got leaked to a news agency(s), that doesn't mean it's automatically no longer a classified document. It's still suppose to be a classified document, requiring someone with a similar clearance to read it, no matter if it got leaked to the press or not.

And if you actually used your brain, Arch, then you be able to put two and two together.

If it wasn't a classified document, then the WH wouldn't have to ask CNN not to run the story.

But why did the WH ask CNN not to run the story about the leaked documents?

Let's say it all together, class!!!

Because the documents is classified!!!

So, why is this a problem? CNN (thankfully) decided not to put the name of the location of the intel sources on ground in the Middle East, because it will get people killed.

But trump decided to tell the Russians the very location of our own intel personnel, and then tried to dress it up as if it's because of the terrorism potential.

That's fine, but there was zero reason to include the location of one of our own to an adversary, and THATS the problem.

The guy, at the very LEAST, is incapable of making sound decisions. You can NOT reveal those sorts of sources to someone who is allies with the very country you just finished bombing because of chemical attacks, especially since the Russians knew about the chemical attacks and did nothing.

They are not our friends, and they damn sure aren't our friends in the Middle East.





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That's fine, but thats not what you stated. You tried to claim Secret is higher than Top Secret.




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Trump shared intel that was code word secret, higher than top secret, with RUSSIA.


Read it again there Eve, but I can see how you read it that way so I understand the confusion. No big deal between the best of friends. wink


Ok, you win this time. wink

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Whoa whoa eve. You never give anyone the satisfaction of admitting defeat.

Rough day?


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I can concede to OCD because he does try to be fair sometimes.

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I'm a communist. I try to be fair all the time. And what do I get nichto.

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History has repeated itself. I read this article and it sounds like he's talking about current times.



Will the GOP turn on Trump? In Watergate, it took 2 years.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/will-gop-turn-trump-watergate-took-2-years-090054023.html

Barry Goldwater had had enough. It was Aug. 6, 1974. The day before, after months of stonewalling, the Nixon White House had released a “smoking gun” tape revealing Richard Nixon had ordered a cover-up in the Watergate burglary. Two miserable years of White House denials had been rendered meaningless. At a luncheon conference with his fellow Republican senators, Goldwater’s anger boiled over. “There are only so many lies you can take,” he said, “and now there has been one too many. Nixon should get his ass out of the White House — today!” The next day, Goldwater traveled to the White House with the Republicans’ House and Senate floor leaders, John Rhodes and Hugh Scott, to deliver a similar message to the president himself. Two days later, Nixon was gone.
In recent days, many who are disturbed by the Trump White House’s descent into Nixonian tactics have recalled Goldwater’s actions with sad longing. So many of the events surrounding the firing of FBI Director James Comey echo Watergate: the meddling with the FBI, the allegations of obstruction of justice, the whispers of a White House taping system and the crisis of credibility surrounding the president. What’s missing, it seems, are the Republicans of conscience. Where is today’s Elliot Richardson, the attorney general who resigned in defiance of Nixon’s order to fire the Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox? Where is today’s Howard Baker, the Republican senator from Tennessee, who helped lead the Senate’s Watergate hearings with judicious balance and a desire for the truth? Where is today’s Goldwater, a Republican of stature who can stand up and put the country’s interest first?
Sen. Howard Baker, R-Tenn., vice chairman of the Senate Watergate Investigating Committee, questions witness James McCord during hearing in Washington, D.C., in 1973. (Photo: AP)
Sen. Howard Baker, R-Tenn., vice chairman of the Senate Watergate Investigating Committee, questions witness James McCord during hearing in Washington, D.C., in 1973. (Photo: AP)
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The stakes are greater than mere historical symmetry. Republicans in the Watergate era, after all, were the minority party in both the House and Senate. As the revelations of Nixon’s misconduct grew, the Democrats used their control of Congress to keep the Watergate inquiry alive through the Senate hearings and through impeachment proceedings in the House. Today, it is the Republicans who control Capitol Hill. A full and fearless inquiry into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in the 2016 election is unlikely to proceed unless it has the blessing of the GOP. Since the New York Times reported the stunning news that Trump may have pressured Comey to end the FBI’s investigation into Michael Flynn, even some of Trump’s Republican defenders have begun to admit there are grave questions surrounding the president’s conduct. The future of the his presidency could hinge on where his party goes from here. If Republicans fail to find their inner Goldwater, any further Nixonian power grabs from Trump may well go unchecked.
Yet the Watergate of popular memory, a plain morality tale in which the villain Nixon was stopped by a line of white-hatted heroes, ignores the more messy realities of political scandal. It took two years for the truth to come out in Watergate. Along the way, politicians in both parties behaved as politicians tend to act in times of scandal — keeping an eye on the national good, yes, but also tracking public opinion and guarding their own self-interest. The story of the Watergate-era GOP is the story of public figures agonizing over the conflicting loyalties to party and country. And it is the story of a few human beings, blindly fumbling their way through crowds of cowardice and calculation to find a true, historic, courage.
U.S. President Richard Nixon tells Republican campaign contributors on May 9, 1973 in Washington, he will get to the bottom of the Watergate scandal and not let it keep him from making ìthe next four years better than the last four years. (Photo: John Duricka/AP)
President Richard Nixon tells Republican campaign contributors in 1973 in Washington that he will get to the bottom of the Watergate scandal and not let it keep him from making the next four years better than the last four years. (Photo: John Duricka/AP)
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Congressional Republicans began the Watergate saga by hoping it would simply go away. Official Washington greeted news of the botched burglary at the Democratic National headquarters at the Watergate on June 17, 1972, with a yawn. Few in the GOP saw the stuff of real scandal that summer, even after the Washington Post revealed that funds earmarked for Nixon’s Committee for the Re-Election of the President had made its way into the bank account of one of the Watergate burglars. A broad Watergate conspiracy was easy for Republicans to reason away. Nixon was cruising toward easy victory over Democrat George McGovern, one of the weakest general election candidates in modern history. Why would he bother with dirty tricks?
As the fall campaign heated up, the Nixon campaign looked to fellow Republicans to help dispense with the scandal once and for all. In September, the Republican leaders in the House and Senate, Congressman Gerald Ford of Michigan and Sen. Hugh Scott of Pennsylvania emerged from a meeting with Nixon and assured reporters that Watergate was a “nothing” issue. After a Democrat scorched the Nixon White House on the Senate floor a few days later, Scott rose to object. Although the Democrats, he said, might think they had piled up an impressive litany of charges against the White House, “we know what they’ve really piled up.”
Clark MacGregor, left, chairman of the Committee to Re-Elect the President, and Sen. Robert Dole, chairman of the Republican National Committee, hold a news conference following a closed campaign strategy meeting of the GOP National Committee. (Photo: Bettmann/Getty Images)
Clark MacGregor, left, chairman of the Committee to Re-Elect the President, and Sen. Robert Dole, chairman of the Republican National Committee, hold a news conference following a closed campaign strategy meeting of the GOP National Committee. (Photo: Bettmann/Getty Images)
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Some in the GOP even saw the scandal as a chance to fire up the Republican base. Decades before “fake news,” Republicans proclaimed the real story in Watergate to be the sins of the liberal media. Among the most acid critics of the early scandal coverage was Robert Dole, a 49-year-old Kansas senator serving as chairman of the Republican National Committee. Dole took particular umbrage with the Washington Post’s coverage, a reflection, he said of Post publisher Katharine Graham’s peculiar hatred for Nixon. “The greatest political scandal of this campaign,” Dole said, “is the brazen manner in which, without benefit of clergy, the Washington Post has set up housekeeping with the McGovern campaign.” In October, Wright Patman, the Democratic chair of the House Banking and Currency Committee, failed in an attempt open an inquiry into the Watergate money trail when 14 of the committee’s 15 Republicans joined six Democrats to block him. The next month, Nixon won reelection with 49 out of 50 states. Congressional Republicans fell over each other in proclaiming their allegiance to the Commander-in-Chief.

In private, their enthusiasm quickly cooled. In the early spring of 1973, evidence emerged linking White House aides H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman and White House counsel John W. Dean to the planning of the burglary. Soon, Haldeman and Ehrlichman were out, along with Attorney General Richard Kleindienst, and Dean was cooperating with the Senate’s Watergate committee. Most Republican senators were appalled by the arrogance and deception of the Nixon team. Some let their frustration show. Oregon’s Republican Sen. Robert Packwood called the scandal “the most odious issue since the Teapot Dome” and Charles Percy, a moderate Republican senator from Illinois, demanded the appointment of a special prosecutor. Even Scott, the Republicans’ floor leader, urged the White House to get the facts out so the country could move on.
But most in the party were unsure how to proceed, aware that something was rotten in the Nixon White House but not yet convinced that the rot extended all the way to the top. After the election, Nixon replaced Dole at the RNC with an attractive Texan by the name of George H.W. Bush. The future president was startled when he learned of Nixon’s White House taping system in the summer of 1973. He thought about leaving the RNC job where he would have to be a Nixon defender but concluded, his biographer Jon Meacham writes, that duty required him to stay put. “It’s not a time to jump sideways,” he wrote a friend in the fall of 1973, “it’s not a time for me to wring my hands on the sidelines.”
Republican Party chairman George Bush calls a meeting of the Republican National Committee in Washington, April 26, 1973. He said he is still confident that President Nixon was not involved in any of the Watergate scandals. Bush said,
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As the scandal raged, Nixon and his circle were cheered that Howard Baker, a courtly Republican senator from Tennessee, would be the vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Campaign Activities — the Watergate committee. Baker, they assumed, would look out for their interests. In January 1973, Baker met with Nixon and said he would do what he could to keep the committee’s witnesses from producing an embarrassing spectacle. Even the lines that would define Baker for history were initially intended to help not hurt Nixon. “What did the president know and when did he know it?” Baker asked in the televised hearing, intending to cast a cloud over Dean’s testimony of a presidential plot. Dean, however, proved a devastatingly effective witness. As the summer wore on, the hearings became a national soap opera and Baker, an honest broker who was committed to following the truth wherever it led, quickly became a phenomenon. “His honesty and quick wit,” wrote one columnist, “not to mention his obvious sex appeal, are capturing the attention of many a housewife programmed to daytime television.” He appeared in the pages of W with the caption “Senator Howard Baker… Watergate Super Star.”
Former White House aide John Dean III is sworn in by Senate Watergate Committee Chairman Sam Ervin, D-N.C., in 1973. (Photo: AP)
Former White House aide John Dean III is sworn in by Senate Watergate Committee Chairman Sam Ervin, D-N.C., in 1973. (Photo: AP)
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A breaking point for the party came with the Saturday Night Massacre of Oct. 20, 1973, when Nixon’s attorney general Elliot Richardson and his deputy, William Ruckelshaus, resigned rather than follow Nixon’s order to fire Cox (eventually, the No. 3 man at the Justice Department, Solicitor General Robert Bork, carried out the order). Beyond the constitutional crisis, the massacre was a visible rupture within the GOP. Though history remembers his public service, Richardson proudly thought of himself as a politician and one with a bright future in the national GOP. In defying Nixon, the man who had elevated his national profile by granting him three cabinet appointments, Richardson had far more to lose than Rod Rosenstein, the government-lawyer-turned-deputy Attorney General who aided the president’s plot to oust Comey. Still, Richardson concluded that he had no choice but to defy Nixon’s will.
The massacre shocked the nation and an array of congressmen — including several Republicans — suggested Nixon could be impeached for his acts. On “Meet the Press,” Percy flatly declared that Nixon could restore confidence only with “total and complete disclosure” of “everything relating to the possibility of criminal activity.” Yet even as Nixon’s popularity plunged, most Republicans resisted a complete break. “I don’t know what other choice the president had,” Dole said the day after the massacre. “It’s a question of who’s the president, Nixon or Cox.” By then, a pattern for Watergate crises had emerged. Nixon would abuse his power. His fellow Republicans would express grave concern in public and request that the administration take fast steps to remedy the situation. Nixon’s White House staff, more inclined than Trump’s to appear sensitive to critics’ concerns, would pledge greater transparency and cooperation going forward. Then they would continue to stonewall and all sides would settle for the stalemate until the next crisis arose.

An unspoken reason for many Republicans’ intransigence: fear of the GOP base. By then, Watergate had bled into the raging current of cultural resentment that was reshaping the party. Since Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign, the GOP had spoken to the alienation white voters in the South felt over racial integration and the illicit agendas of the Eastern media and the radical Left. For many Republican voters, the furor over Watergate was another symptom of the problem. In early 1974, the New York Times reported on calls to an Alabama congressman’s office: “A local leader of the anti-black Citizens Council [a white supremacist organization] called to complain that Watergate had been invented by the media. A woman called to say that the news media ‘is just looking for bad things to say about our President.’” There was no Fox News then to validate these voters, no Breitbart to counter any juicy new Watergate reporting with a set of alternative facts. But Nixon’s true believers could connect their own dots. The liberal media was telling them they had to be outraged by Nixon’s behavior, just like it told them they had to accept forced integration, the sexual revolution and unrest in the streets. It felt like an incursion on their freedom and it made them as mad as hell.
Ambitious politicians could see that this resentment had a future in the Republican Party and they shaped their behavior accordingly. In 1972, the year of Nixon’s landslide, two young Mississippians, Trent Lott and Thad Cochran were elected to the House, the second and third Republican congressmen elected in the state since Reconstruction. (Nixon won an astonishing 78 percent of the state’s vote.) Shortly after the Saturday Night Massacre, Lott defended Nixon: “Cox is a known liberal, pro-Kennedy Democrat,” he said. “I do not have high regard for Richardson or Ruckelshaus.” Visiting Mississippi a few weeks later, California Gov. Ronald Reagan, who was scoping out a run for the presidency in 1976, railed against “a concerted effort in Washington to undermine [Nixon] and make it appear he is not fit to govern.” Decent Americans, he said, could not stand “silently by while the mob tries to reverse the mandate the country gave in 1972.”
Rep. Trent Lott, R-Miss., offers his views on the impeachment question before the House Judiciary Committee in Washington July 25, 1974. (Photo: AP)
Rep. Trent Lott, R-Miss., offers his views on the impeachment question before the House Judiciary Committee in Washington, D.C., in 1974. (Photo: AP)
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Even in more moderate locales, the politics of the scandal were muddled and hard to parse. Members of Congress were struck by the chasm separating Washington from the outside world. Inside the Beltway, people lay awake in the early morning, listening for the “thud” of that day’s Post on the doorstep, bringing a fresh batch of revelations. Back home, meanwhile, legislators found the scandal rarely came up on lists of voters’ top concerns. As late as June 1974, the Gallup poll showed a slim majority of Americans who believed the scandal had gotten “too much attention.” Lawrence Hogan, a Republican member of the Judiciary Committee, went incognito as a taxi driver in his district, hoping to get a more accurate sense of a typical voter’s mindset. Watergate rarely came up in the cab. When he raised the topic, his fares usually responded with “I’m sick of hearing about it.”
In this uncertain moment, the smart politics was to say as little as possible, to keep calm and see where the facts would lead. But a few public figures were driven by conscience to make another choice. In March, James L. Buckley, the conservative senator from New York and brother of William F. Buckley, the flamboyant editor of the National Review, announced that he had come to the conclusion that Nixon owed it to the country to voluntarily resign. His speech shocked the capital and prompted negative reactions — telegraphs to his office, Buckley reported, were negative by a factor of 3 to 1. One Republican New York county chairman was succinct in his response: “Dumb, dumb, dumb.”
By then, though, there was a ticking time bomb on the Nixon presidency in the form of the secret White House tapes. It went off in late July after the Supreme Court ordered the release of the full recordings. Shortly thereafter, the House Judiciary voted to send three articles of impeachment to the Senate. Seven of the committee’s 17 Republicans voted for at least one of the charges, but only one, Hogan, voted for all three. M. Caldwell Butler, a freshman Republican congressman from Virginia, wept after announced his vote for impeachment. “For years, we Republicans have campaigned against corruption and misconduct,” he said. “But Watergate is our shame.” As a Southerner, Butler had a lot to lose. Butler’s own mother warned him that breaking with his party’s president would threaten his career. “You are probably right,” he told her in a letter. “However I feel that my loyalty to the Republican Party does not relieve me of the obligation which I have.”
President Richard M. Nixon points to the transcripts of the White House tapes in Washington, D.C., in 1974, after he announced on television that he would turn over the transcripts to House impeachment investigators. (Photo: AP)
President Richard M. Nixon points to the transcripts of the White House tapes in Washington, D.C., in 1974, after he announced on television that he would turn over the transcripts to House impeachment investigators. (Photo: AP)
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On August 7, Goldwater, Scott and Rhodes made their fateful visit to Nixon at the White House. In “The Final Days,” their second book about Watergate, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein described the president quizzing his fellow Republicans about his chances in the Senate:
“How many would you say would be with me — a half dozen?”…
“More than that,” Goldwater said, “maybe 16 to 18.”
“Hugh,” the President said, turning to his right, “do you agree with that?”
“I’d say maybe 15,” Scott said. “But it’s grim,” he added, “and they’re not very firm.”
“Damn grim,” the President shot back.
Nixon, himself a veteran of the Hill, knew that he could not go on.
That fall, with the president gone, his old defenders in the party looked for cover anywhere they could find it. Even in Kansas, an ancient GOP stronghold, Dole faced an alarmingly close fight for reelection in November. He had long since grown disillusioned with the Nixon White House but struggled to explain his reversal on the stump. “It’s an impossible dilemma,” he told the Times. “One guy gives me hell for betraying Nixon, the next comes up to me and says, ‘I’m for you Bob, but you’ve got to get Nixon off your back.” Dole survived in Kansas but elsewhere in 1974, voters doled out harsh punishment to the party that given Nixon safe harbor. Republicans lost 49 seats in the House that year, and four in the Senate, giving the Democrats a majority of 60 votes.
Viewed from a certain angle, the tortured path of the Watergate-era GOP can offer hope for those despairing over the conduct of the Trump-era GOP. By the timetable of Watergate, after all, the Trump-Russia investigations are still in their early days. If there is really more to learn about Trump and Russia, there will be plenty of chances for a courageous Republican crusader to emerge.
But the fact remains that the truth came out in Watergate, in part, because the Congress, under Democratic control, wanted to see it pursued. And sadly, today’s Republicans have even less political incentive than their Watergate predecessors had to do the right thing. In the Nixon years, the party was still learning how to stoke white resentment and paranoia for maximum political gain. Today, those forces are the party’s governing id – just look at the commander-in-chief. A handful of Republicans in Washington were able to follow their consciences in 1973 and 1974, despite opposition from their party’s base. But today, the base has means for displaying its ire in more immediate and intimidating ways than it had in Watergate. A contemporary M. Caldwell Butler would see his tears mocked in endless loop on Fox News. Today, as a prize for hearings conducted with judicious balance, a modern Howard Baker would be greeted with an army of Internet racists, calling him “cuck.”

But shouldn’t Trump’s defenders also worry about their political future? Maybe not. There is little in post-Watergate history to suggest that ambitious young Republicans in today’s Washington — like House Speaker Paul Ryan or Senate Intelligence Committee members Marco Rubio and Tom Cotton — will be hurt for their early-stage indifference to Trump’s conduct. Lott, the young congressman from Mississippi, served on the Judiciary Committee during the impeachment hearings. There, in a move familiar to Devin Nunes and Trey Gowdy, he complained about anti-Nixon leaks. He voted against all three articles of impeachment. He went on to rise through the party’s ranks, eventually replacing Dole as the party’s Republican leader in the Senate. After Nixon’s resignation, the party’s next four nominees for the presidency were all men who had prominently defended Nixon — Ford, Reagan, Bush and Dole.
Meanwhile, Buckley lost his bid for reelection in 1976. Richardson, who in the immediate aftermath of Watergate was one of the most popular public figures in the country, never won elected office again. Among the courageous Republicans, only Baker had a happy future in the party, rising to be Senate leader in the 1980s. When Reagan’s White House was roiled the Iran-Contra scandal, he turned to Baker, with his Watergate-earned reputation for honesty and integrity, to right the ship as his chief of staff.
For those concerned about the fragility of our constitutional order in the Trump era, Watergate offers both consolation and chilling caution. It is history’s best evidence that the system designed by the founders works. When presented with an overreaching executive, the press, the courts and the Congress all did their jobs and the rule of law was preserved. But if it is to work in our present crisis, all of those parties must again rise to the call. That means the Republicans who control Congress will have to step up. Neither political necessity nor short-term pragmatism will be enough to move them. Rather, a few noble Republicans will have to simply listen to their consciences. They will have to come to Goldwater’s conclusion, that there comes a time when you choose patriotism over party. And that there are only so many lies you can take.
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Jonathan Darman is the author of Landslide: LBJ and Ronald Reagan at the Dawn of a New America. (Random House, 2014)


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It would not surprise me if Trump takes Putin up his offer...real trustworthy guy, that Putin.


Putin offers transcript of Trump meeting with Lavrov


By Matthew Chance and Angela Dewan, CNN
Updated 9:00 AM ET, Wed May 17, 2017
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Moscow (CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered to provide a transcript of a controversial Oval Office meeting between President Donald Trump and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, raising the stakes in an affair that has sent the White House into a tailspin.

Speaking at a press conference in Sochi, Russia, Putin said Moscow could send its records of the encounter -- at which Trump is alleged to have shared top-secret intelligence with the Russian delegation -- to the US Congress.

The intervention by Putin could turn up the pressure on the White House to provide its own transcript of the meeting. The Senate intelligence committee has already demanded a briefing on what was said at the meeting from members of the Trump administration who were present.

The Trump administration has come under fire over the meeting with Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak last week. Trump has admitted sharing security information, saying he had the "absolute right" to do so.

Putin denied that Trump had shared intelligence in the meeting, describing the media reports on the issue as "political schizophrenia."

"We are prepared to go there and explain our point of view to Congress if necessary," he said.
The Washington Post first reported the allegations on Monday, saying Trump had shared highly classified information. The Post reported that an official with knowledge of the meeting described Trump as saying: "I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day," just before revealing the intelligence. Two sources told CNN that the information was classified.

In April, CNN first reported that US intelligence and law enforcement agencies believed that ISIS and other terrorist organizations had developed new ways to place explosives in laptops and other electronic devices to evade airport security screening methods.

Officials told CNN at the time that the ban came about following the collection of intercepted material and "human intelligence."

According to US and diplomatic officials, Israeli intelligence was a source for some of the information about ISIS bomb-making capabilities that the President discussed with Russian diplomats.

Trump's meeting with Lavrov and Kislyak came as the White House deals with a series of scandals linking members of Trump's team with Russia. The FBI has confirmed it is investigating these links.

The White House has scrambled to respond to the intelligence scandal, at first denying the story, then arguing that it was "wholly appropriate" for Trump to discuss the information with the Russians.

"At no time were intelligence sources or methods discussed and the President did not disclose any military operations that weren't already publicly known," Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster told reporters Monday night.

"The premise of that article is false that in any way the President had a conversation that was inappropriate or that resulted in any kind of lapse in national security."

CNN's Lindsay Isaac contributed to this report.


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Me thinks Putin should stay the hell out of this since he's on record stating they don't have anything to do with any of this. rofl


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