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Since it was you who isolated the truth by cherry picking information to bolster your argument, it's your job to do the homework not mine. Ive already proven my point about your feeble attempt to deceive people.

Face it, you found a case using six schools out of 320 in a district to try to make a point about our public education system.

I'm not going to go find an article on an isolated case to try to promote our education system because that would be just as disingenuous as your attempt was. Just be honest about it.

Detroit Public Schools: 93% Not Proficient in Reading; 96% Not Proficient in Math

(CNSNews.com) - In the Detroit public school district, 96 percent of eighth graders are not proficient in mathematics and 93 percent are not proficient in reading.

That is according to the results of the 2015 National Assessment of Educational Progress tests published by the Department of Education’s National Center for Educational Statistics.

Only 4 percent of Detroit public school eighth graders are proficient or better in math and only 7 percent in reading. This is despite the fact that in the 2011-2012 school year—the latest for which the Department of Education has reported the financial data—the Detroit public schools had “total expenditures” of $18,361 per student and “current expenditures” of $13,330 per student.

According to data published by the Detroit Public Schools, the school district’s operating expenses in the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2014 amounted to approximately $14,743 per student.

Nationwide, only 33 percent of public-school eighth graders scored proficient or better in reading in 2015 and only 32 percent scored proficient or better in mathematics.

In 2015, 21 large urban school districts participated in the NAEP tests in reading and mathematics as part of what the Department of Education calls its Trial Urban District Assessment (TUDA). Among these 21 districts, the Detroit Public Schools had the smallest percentages of eighth graders scoring proficient or better in reading and math.

In reading, the Cleveland public schools were next to last among the large urban school districts with only 11 percent scoring proficient or better. Baltimore and Fresno were tied for third worst with only 13 percent scoring proficient or better; and Philadelphia ranked fifth worst with only 16 percent scoring proficient or better.

The Cleveland public schools also ranked next to last in math, with only 9 percent of eight graders scoring proficient or better. Baltimore and Fresno were also tied for third worst in math, with only 12 percent scoring proficient or better; and Los Angeles ranked fifth worst with 15 percent scoring proficient or better in math.

The Department of Education has published fiscal information on the Detroit public schools for the 2011-2012 school year. That year, the Detroit Public Schools had total expenditures of $1,231,375,000, equaling $18,361 per student. That included $13,330 per student for current expenditures, $3,182 for capital outlays, and $1,737 for interest on the school system’s debt.

$271,358,000 of the school district's funding for the 2011-2012 school year came from the federal government.

The $13,330 for “current expenditures” included $515,473,000 for “instructional expenditures,” $133,282,000 for “student and staff support,” $97,800,000 for “administration,” and $147,411,000 for “operations, food service” and other expenses.

The Detroit Public Schools’ Comprehensive Annual Financial Report for the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2014 says the school district served “an estimated 48,905 students” during that fiscal year. “Of the District’s total operating expenditures of approximately $721 million, 48 percent or approximately $346 million, was spent on instruction for the year ended on June 30, 2014,” said the report.

The approximately $721 million in total operating expenditures the school district reported for fiscal 2014 equaled approximately $14,743 for each of the district’s 48,905 students.

It's blatantly obvious your alt-right glasses lead you to seek out teachers who just do the job for a paycheck, and then complain about how "the youth of America is the worst it's ever been".

I suggest you broaden your horizons beyond jaded teachers, r/The_Donald, Breitbart, and other questionable sources. Some of your arguments come from places like Stormfront for crying out loud. I'm sick and tired of people like you who try to blame inner-cities for the problems with education, and basically equating these individuals to subhuman levels. Your worldview is dangerous beyond comprehension to the future for all in America.

You like to argue for the sake of arguing, and enjoy throwing talking points. You bring little of no substance to discussions about education. Just anecdotal stories of people you know, and a biased judge mental viewpoint of when you worked in the inner-city that makes you believe dangerous ideals.

Agreed. Parents play a HUGE role in education - if only for the simple fact that they somehow get involved. As simple as "sit down and do your homework", and on up.

Now, this will get me in trouble, at least around here, the problem schools aren't the "poor" schools, they're the schools in poor areas. Most often inner cities. That would raise the "poverty student" issue. But, is that the end all to the issue? Or, more than likely, there are several other issues is what I think.

I'm sure and it's obvious that you believe you know more about the education system in our nation than those who actually teach in it do.

I also found this saying that we spend about a grand per student in transportation costs alone.

Yep. Kids only go to school for so long, a few people forget they're they do other things. They also forget these kids will try to live on their own when they can. So if a parent doesn't make their kid do homework or read, they probably won't. Unless they have the wherewithal to understand learning is important, bravo to those who do. I've seen some solutions offered, "getting rid of homework" which means extending school for two hours and just giving them a two hour study hall to do their homework. I've also seen that during the summer the largest learning discrepancies happen between poorer kids and richer kids. This is due to some kids being able to afford summer camps, schools and some daycares.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=67

I also found this saying that we spend about a grand per student in transportation costs alone. I feel like getting a comprehensive, itemized list is nigh impossible.

Educational psychology, child development experts, and other related fields show there are multiple learning modalities each of us have. Look into it, Eve. It might help with game development, actually. Basically you have readers, writers, listeners, those more adept with hands on, more adept at physical learning, etc.

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So it looks like the New GOP War Room strategy is to distract blow for blow by investigating some Obama schmuck for each hit the Trump team takes. It makes 40 and the other Trumpers feel all gooey in the jeans, good for the base.

Meanwhile back on planet earth in the real reality our kids are taking the real hits in the quality of their education. The Gop master plan is to have a fire sale on all these pesky programs for common people so the greedy can get them a slice of that there pie.

And I ask who is going to pay for making these programs cheaper for the government and profitable for private industry? The consumer of said programs, the taxpayer, the poor and middle class. Do the math! Use a calculator if you don't have enough fingers and toes! Stupid GOP, the party of Stupid, Doesn't believe in Science or Education.

What we don't believe in is just throwing money at programs does not fix the programs. Makes liberals feel better but does not fix the problem.

Funny how this logic doesn't apply to pro sports coaches and GMs, politicians, bankers, etc.... People have no problem telling them how they should do their job and what's wrong with them even though they have never done it themselves.

I could live with that response if most of the people making it had any idea how much money this government spends, or how the 'debt/deficit' is an illusion in a fiat currency, or that what you are arguing about saving at the expense of children/the old/the poor/the addicted/college students/etc. is less than pennies on the edge of the huge pile being spent!

You can not have a strong economy without a strong middle class driving it with consumption, period. Living wage and high paying jobs, education, infrastructure, programs for the poor, medical insurance, job training programs, etc. are the things that help build that strong middle class. Republicans want to kill all of these things saying we can't afford them, when not only can we afford them BUT we can not afford not to do them. Idiocy.

That is not true.

Things that hurt the middle class are liberal policies. Make able body people work for a living and quit coddling them. The lower class that does not try to work just sucks all of the get ahead money out of the middle class.

Raising minimum wage/ welfare/ etc... Prices of all merchandise goes up. As much as liberals want to believe they cannot take money from the rich. They cannot. Raise their taxes, raise minimum wage, raise whatever and they just cut costs (jobs) or raise prices of their merchandise. That hurts the middle class.

The liberal Democrats see their selves as the elite that will protect the lower income and allows them to stay in their cycle of unproductive behavior. That keeps the middle class struggling. The upper class is attacked by the democrats because they cannot control them. So like all good communists/socialists they demonize what they cannot control.

Take care of the sick, the injured, the children, but we need to motivate the willful lazy poor.