There are three things that blow my mind from that article:
--She is playing victim
--She says this wouldn't happen to a man
--Her attorney says that if you make fun of the president, you lose your job. LOL..........that's classic because it's almost who isn't making fun of the president.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It's a classic politically correct attack on her, Trump should come to her rescue because we're sick of being politically correct.
You don't like it, do you? Now how many thousands of conservative/right-wing types have been subject to the politically correct lynch mob over the years for not doing anything near as hateful or offensive as this chick?
All of a sudden, going after somebody's livelihood isn't so cool when it happens to one of your own.
She should really just let this be. Either way she is going to take a big hit short term financially. She will still get bookings but at this exact moment she is radioactive. Just like the Dixie Chicks incident IMHO. If Trump somehow turns it all around she may be done, but if things continue to go as bad as they have been, especially if he gets impeached or found guilty of a high crime, this will all be forgotten.
This reminds me of the Michael Richards racist rant. It's sort of along the same lines. Crossing the lines of comedy with just straight-up hate speech. I have no idea if he's still performing these days, but his acting career was pretty much done after that. The big difference there is that he actually owned up to it apologized after the incident. Griffin is trying to act like a victim and doubling down on the "I'm still going to mock Trump" angle.
It's a classic politically correct attack on her, Trump should come to her rescue because we're sick of being politically correct.
You don't like it, do you? Now how many thousands of conservative/right-wing types have been subject to the politically correct lynch mob over the years for not doing anything near as hateful or offensive as this chick?
All of a sudden, going after somebody's livelihood isn't so cool when it happens to one of your own.
Your closest analog to this situation, Ted Nugent, was invited to the White House this year.
It's a classic politically correct attack on her, Trump should come to her rescue because we're sick of being politically correct.
You don't like it, do you? Now how many thousands of conservative/right-wing types have been subject to the politically correct lynch mob over the years for not doing anything near as hateful or offensive as this chick?
All of a sudden, going after somebody's livelihood isn't so cool when it happens to one of your own.
Your closest analog to this situation, Ted Nugent, was invited to the White House this year.
And how many times have anti-social justice warriors harassed employers to fire somebody for having "backwards ideas"? I recall one CEO who was recently fired for saying that he thought marriage should be between a man and a woman. While I understand that is considered "hate speech" these days, here's the kicker: he wrote this many years ago when it was not a controversial opinion at all. Call it a loose workaround of the ex post facto concept.
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Anyway, back to the Kathy Griffin Controversy. I plugged Scott Adams in another thread and low and behold, he has written about this situation as well. It seems reasonable enough (it even has a zinger for some Trump supporters at the end, for those who complain this guy is too far to the right.): http://blog.dilbert.com/post/161281215881/the-kathy-griffin-controversy
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Comedian Kathy Griffin got into some hot water for a staged photo of herself holding a realistic-looking severed head that looks like President Trump. I won’t reproduce the photo here. It is disturbing. People asked me what it all means in terms of persuasion, if anything. I’ll tell you.
Disclosure: Kathy Griffin played the voice of the Alice in my old Dilbert TV show on UPN. I like Kathy, both personally and professionally. I’m a fan. Feel free to factor in my bias when you read this post.
The fascinating part of the story is that Griffin and at least one photographer thought this photo would be provocative but within bounds. The Internet quickly informed them they were wrong. Griffin issued a video apology that some people judge to be insincere. But it looked 100% sincere to me.
I have been telling you since before the inauguration that the country was going to split into two movies on one screen. Some of us are watching a new president do his best to make America great. But half the country is watching a disaster movie in which we unknowingly elected a Hitler-monster to destroy civilization. The Kathy Griffin situation illustrates the two-movie idea perfectly. For Kathy and her associates at the photoshoot, this photo was intentionally provocative, but in a silly way. In their movie, beheading the Hitler-monster is a widely-approved fantasy. Perfectly acceptable. Nothing to see here.
Then they published the photo.
And learned there was another movie on the same screen.
You and I get to live in the movies in our heads until your script and mine come into conflict. That’s what happened with the Griffin photo. The photo showed us with disturbing clarity that we are not experiencing the same movie. In some of our movies, Griffin literally took the side of ISIS (EviLosers) against the Commander in Chief of the United States. But in Kathy’s movie, a comedian made a provocative joke, as she often does. That’s all.
Obviously I support Griffin’s right to produce provocative and sometimes offensive art. That is part of her job. And I also respect her rapid and thorough apology. To feel otherwise about Kathy would make me one of the overly-sensitive folks I have been mocking for years. You don’t get to turn me into that person. But you can go full-snowflake on this topic if you like.
The takeaway here should not be so much about Griffin. The takeaway is that a room full of people involved in the photoshoot did not see this as a huge problem from the start. They were living a different movie. If you judge this situation to be an error of taste, judgement, intelligence, or morality, you are missing the bigger picture. The bigger picture is that the country is living two movies at the same time, and Griffin was acting “normal” in one of them.
Persuasion-wise, Griffin’s photo was so over-the-line that I assume it ruined the movie for a lot of people following the anti-Trump script. The audience in Griffin’s movie just had a mirror held up to them. If they liked what they saw, they will stay in their seats. If they don’t like being the villains in their own movie, they might change the channel.
History might record this as the beginning of Trump’s rise in popularity. I have been predicting you will see the rise in the polls by year end.
Do you consider Kathy Griffin’s disturbing photo to be “art”? That’s a purely subjective evaluation. But Griffin did turn most Trump supporters into hypocrites by making them complain about political correctness.
Man, if we could just spend half the energy we utilize to point fingers and hate on each other to actually fix this country, it might actually get into good shape again.
Good luck with that!
ethically , politically repugnant, out of touch, unpopular, in bad taste, unfunny, two faced, given by a brat, condemn it when it crosses your personal line, and irrational Speech may be all of those things
but it is not illegal.
The 800 lb gorilla in the room is that mega money, mega corporations, and what not, have become (symbiotic)< (does that fit). They have become one in the same, and
If the American people are going to allow these (the elite) to punish folks just because they don't "tow the line" .. by career destruction
Then the American people are a bunch of (not standing up for what's right).
The Line is, / would be, if Cathy Griffin's photo was some sort of signal for some group to take any kind of action. (like isis giving out marching orders, or something like that)
Same thing happened when Gilbert Godfried got fired from being the voice of the Aflac duck, because he made a joke about the Tsunami.
(i win, i used the word tsunami, that's 100 points right)
The only problem with your post is that people have the right to hire who they want to. If a club or stadium doesn't want her there, they don't have to have her there. If people decide because of her actions that they don't want to buy a ticket at her show, they're not required to. Let the chips fall where they may.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
It's a classic politically correct attack on her, Trump should come to her rescue because we're sick of being politically correct.
You don't like it, do you? Now how many thousands of conservative/right-wing types have been subject to the politically correct lynch mob over the years for not doing anything near as hateful or offensive as this chick?
All of a sudden, going after somebody's livelihood isn't so cool when it happens to one of your own.
LOL, maybe I should have used purple! I could care less about her. She made her bed. Do you somehow think libs were not sickened by that photo? I mean I absolutely can't stand Trump but even I said that was a step too far.
It's why I say that as much as people dislike using purple font, there is certainly a need for it. Not so much for the people posting it as for the people reading it. lol
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Example: Trump is the best President in the history of all the Presidents of the galaxy since the Big Bang God created the universe because Trump told him it would be HUGE!
Liberals are open minded and respect the rights of everyone because they are liberal thinkers. They never gang up on other groups and never try to deflect attention away from their misconduct. For example, they would never stoop so low to deflect attention away from Kathy Griffin by repeatedly bringing up Ted Nugent.
nobody here deflected. we only brought up Ted after we addressed the disgusting act that Griffin committed.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
we got conservatives whining about a fictional character not being "american" enough.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I spoke my mind. You guys are your own worst enemy.
Whining doesn't solve problems. Two wrongs do not make a right. Making excuses for bad behavior by saying "they did it too" is immature.
Solve problems. Don't create more problems by fighting hate w/hate and ignorance w/ignorance.
hmmmm......
nah, i'm good. conservatives are about this get this work. they had 8 years of being petty, immature, and disgusting toward obama. time to return the favor, at least for these next 4, and hopefully no more.
i'm going hard in the paint.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'll never understand why this kind of thing gets so much attention by both sides. It's so meaningless and just brings out the extreme immaturity of all involved. Besides laughing at a Tiger Woods, Kathy Griffin meme, I don't get the interest or the outrage. Maybe one of you can explain it to me.
we got conservatives whining about a fictional character not being "american" enough.
I am whining because her outfit is not skimpy enough
i agree with this. wonder woman of old had them huge.....let me stop.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'll never understand why this kind of thing gets so much attention by both sides. It's so meaningless and just brings out the extreme immaturity of all involved. Besides laughing at a Tiger Woods, Kathy Griffin meme, I don't get the interest or the outrage. Maybe one of you can explain it to me.
it simply has to do with us having a buffer on what is morally allowed when it comes to criticism of the POTUS.
no matter how much i dislike the guy, he's still the POTUS, and SHOULD be shown some level of respect, or at least enough not to do crap like what Griffin did. or what those nut cases did with obama.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Yet you refuse to concede the complete double standard of how they hold Kathy Griffen to the fire while have nothing to say about Nugent and his invitation to The White House after his terrible actions.
They were both equally wrong yet we have all agreed with how wrong Griffin was.
If you can't understand the reason for mocking that, then you just go on with your bad self internet warrior. lmao
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I'll never understand why this kind of thing gets so much attention by both sides. It's so meaningless and just brings out the extreme immaturity of all involved. Besides laughing at a Tiger Woods, Kathy Griffin meme, I don't get the interest or the outrage. Maybe one of you can explain it to me.
Agreed that this is all so meaningless. I wonder what people who live in parts of the world where people do this with real heads think about those who are outraged by a comedian doing it with a fake one. It's something to ponder.
I look at this and say, 'whatever'. It was tasteless and depicting the POTUS like that crosses the line, but then again I mock SJWs and political correctness on here all the time. It would be hypocritical of me to now sit here and act so outraged over this.
No great harm was done and I don't wish for her livelihood or career to be ruined, although it's looking like that very well may happen. The fascinating thing about all of this is that she and the producer actually thought this would go over well. What were they thinking?
I'll never understand why this kind of thing gets so much attention by both sides. It's so meaningless and just brings out the extreme immaturity of all involved. Besides laughing at a Tiger Woods, Kathy Griffin meme, I don't get the interest or the outrage. Maybe one of you can explain it to me.
Glad to see you back posting again
But I agree, like I give a rats behind what Kathy Griffith did. I didnt even know she was still around..... hmmmm makes sense now
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Right-wing rock music singer Ted Nugent called into “The Specialists” to bash Kathy Griffin on her disgusting photograph, but ended up having to defend his controversial comments on former President Obama. He made the comments on Friday.
“Well it’s absolutely false,” Nugent said, “I mean I absolutely respect the greatest law enforcement investigators in the world of the Secret Service when they were forced to come investigate me when I expressed fear of my government. My quote was that I was afraid if Obama was elected again I would either be dead or in jail because of all of the farmers and ranchers and citizens across this country who unload on me on a regular basis where they’re being persecuted by various bureaucrats. And I’m sure you’re well aware of that, the EPA, and the Endangered Species Act, USDA, but that’s a different subject.
“I expressed fear of my government,” he said. “But Pelosi and Feinstein and Boxer sent the Secret Service to investigate me and they concluded absolutely conclusively, I did not threaten anybody’s life, yet Kathy Griffin and the whole left talking points including our own friend Juan Williams, just repeats the lie that I threatened the president’s life, never happened.”
“Well, Ted,” Eboni Williams asked, “what did you mean when you said, ‘Obama he’s a piece of bleep, I told him to suck on my machine gun, hey Hillary you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bleep,’ I mean, what did you mean by that if it wasn’t a threat?”
“Well I’m glad you asked that because what Kathy Griffin is hysterical over and I gotta tell ya, I know why – because she’s out of her mind,” Nugent responded. “President Trump and his family were reacting to her vile actions.”
“My statements were in response to an outrageous attempt to ban certain types of firearms that would do nothing except help bad guys with more gun-free zones,” he added, “I was on stage at a rock’n’roll concert when Obama was a senator, not the president, and I made an outrageous metaphor telling him that we will not accept his gun control laws, but I never threatened anyone.”
“We’re talking apples and grenades here. I did nothing to harm anyone, she came out with symbolism that was truly vile,” he concluded.
Nugent has been an outspoken supporter of President Trump, and was invited to the White House to meet the president, along with Sarah Palin and Kid Rock.
I didn't think the story could get any dumber past, "My kids and Barron thought this was real", but Ted Nugent had to get the last word in. I love these political distractions.
It's not a Ted Nugent thread. What the hell is so hard to understand? Go ahead and stat a Nugent thread.
But, don't BS me, bro.........you and others are bringing him up to deflect attention away from one of the people on your side. I've been around too long to know BS when I smell it.
It's not a Ted Nugent thread. What the hell is so hard to understand? Go ahead and stat a Nugent thread.
But, don't BS me, bro.........you and others are bringing him up to deflect attention away from one of the people on your side. I've been around too long to know BS when I smell it.
I just want to point out to the board that Vers readily admits that griffin is somehow on the liberal side.
That now gives me free game to lump the white supremacist, alt right, and religious nut bags like the Jim Jones followers on conservatives.
Thanks, Vers!!!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
