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Because it's within the realm of possibility and the Raptors may at some point "blow it all up" and rebuild.

Who/what do the Cavs trade to get him?

Disappointed by this. Unless Griff asked to leave so he could get a VP job, it just sounds like a move for the sake of doing it, at the worst possible time. That or Gilbert wants to sell the farm for Butler/George, and Griff didn't want to blow up the team for a one year one-off that probably wouldn't work anyway.

It sounds like Griffin was the driving force behind a Butler trade.

Griff leaving has me indifferent, He did some decent things, also did some really bad things, in the end his job was pretty easy having lebron.. His replacement needs to have experience running a club, no way in hell i want Billups in charge of a team with championship aspirations. We have a couple guys already employed that might be ready to take over in Redden and Altman, outside i wouldn't mind seeing Wright from SA or Sheppard from Wash

j/c

On AmicoHoops: #Cavs source calls Griffin departure "absolute (expletive) joke."

https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/876958998788001793

depending on who we/what we give up, i'd much prefer Butler over PG13, we need an upgrade at the 2 more than we need another guy playing the 3

Feel pretty cut up about this. I can't really think of a trade that Griffin was hoodwinked on unless you count andrew bogut? Seemed like a good GM even though I'll always hate the Wiggins add-on to the KLove trade.

part of an article that might be telling

"Griffin, 47, is under contract until June 30. He was furious with Gilbert for not extending his contract last summer, after the Cavs beat the Warriors in the Finals, and was seeking a raise and structural changes to the organization."

sounds like sour grapes, but yea...Gilbert should have locked him up if Griff was wanting and willing.

2 first round picks for Mosgov and a 1st for Korver don't look very good right now. the contracts of shump, JR and TT don't look so good right now either...but either way, a GM puts together a team that gets to 3 finals should get the benefit of the doubt from the owner

ahh, reality tv off seasons.

Lovely. Can we expect a strongly worded comic sans letter to find it's way to the press again?

The problem is that a reporter actually felt the need to ask that question.

this should clear the way for maverick carter to assume the GM position

This is a big mistake.

I agree. I wanted to see a massive "f you" letter to griffin from Gilbert. That would've definitely kicked off the offset in glorious fashion

x3

Doesn't have my approval.

CLEVELAND -- David Griffin's departure as Cavaliers' general manager was "a shock" to star forward LeBron James, who can leave as a free agent after next season and moves made now by owner Dan Gilbert will affect his decision.

A source close to James told cleveland.com that "LeBron's a player, Dan's the boss, this was Dan's decision," but also that "LeBron does care about what the roster looks like."

"Who they bring in will play a big role in LeBron's decision next summer," said the source, who was granted anonymity to discuss James' reaction. "If they bring in someone who is stable, who has the ability to make things happen, then fine. No harm no foul. But if it's amateur hour, that's a different story."

On Monday, Griffin and Gilbert decided to mutually end their working relationship after three seasons in which Griffin was the GM. Each ended with a Finals berth.

The source said while Gilbert did not consult with James before parting with Griffin, he did inform James' camp immediately after the decision was made.

James can opt out of his contract after next season. He could be in line for a five-year, $209 million new contract with the Cavs if he chose to re-sign here.

Griffin's replacement running the Cavs' basketball operations could be Chauncey Billups. He's held interest in a potential opening in Cleveland, and according to The Vertical Gilbert is also interested in him
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/06/lebron_james_shocked_by_david.html

There's never any shortage of drama with Cleveland teams. I mean the Cavs have the best player in the world (who chose to come here), they've been in 3 straight Finals, and they are experiencing unprecedented success. And they can't come to an agreement with their GM. Just silliness. It seems like only in Cleveland this type of stuff even has the chance of happening.

Well...... chaos right now .... but let's see what it all comes to in the end. I am not a big fan of forcing out the GM who managed the team well enough to get them to 3 straight Finals, (despite the lack of assets necessitated by the trades made when Lebron came home) winning the 1st one their history.

A part of my wonders if Griff wanted major changes, and Gilbert wanted the team tweaked? There were reports that Griff was working on the Butler trade up to the final moment, and also that he and Gilbert were on different pages up to the end.

I just hope it works out for the best.

Hey Mark.

You might wanna talk to your own people.

People may be upset at the NFL.

But the NBA is headed down a really bad road right now.

Yeah! Having dynasties really hurt the sport!

As others have said, there were some nice deals Grif made, but somehow he made more bad deals. And I say that KNOWING we won a title and that should give him a lifelong pass in Cleveland.

I don't really feel the heat on this one. Sure, it would be nice to keep him on, but we're probably preparing for a one year win-it-all or else season. If we win, Lebron stays and we go on. If we lose, Lebron leaves and we don't need an expensive GM to rebuild.

It would be interesting to know which deals Griffin wanted to do and which deals he was forced to do. The Love trade, Thompson signing, and Smith signing all seem like they were not his doing.

it seems like Lebron is already setting up to leave after 2018, which is fine. he delivered for Cleveland and has the right to play where he wants. It looks like we have one more year to try and win it. I'm hoping we can still acquire the right pieces to maximize the chances for 2018.

Well obviously he's ganna go to LA or NY.

And then a bunch of writers are ganna dig up articles from 2008 and be like "See! I told ya!"

Not sure what to think. I know I don't like not having draft picks for maybe the next 20 years.

I called it in 2003

Why do you think Grif made more bad deals than good?

Again, I was not an early fan of the guy and I questioned some of his moves when he first made them, but most of them turned out very well.

I think this is a significant loss.

Think of all the picks in the 28-30 range we didn't have!

So much talent! Given away! For what? An NBA Title?

Pffffft.

I could have sworn Griff is a huge Love fan. I'm pretty sure it's been Griff that wouldn't entertain the thought of trading Love the last couple of seasons. He even made a statement to the effect that it would be foolish to trade a 20/10 guy in the prime of his career.

That was the last few years. I think he was in the process of trying to trade him right before being let go. Don't know any of this for sure. Just basing it on Twitter posts and reading between the lines. He might have realized they can't beat GS with Love and could have had a change of heart.

This is pretty much how I feel, i was indifferent on him, he did good and bad, squandered all the assets but at the same time 3 straight finals should get him a pass for however long especially since winning a ring. Having lebron makes everything he does alot easier and playing in the east helps as well. The key is to atleast get an experienced guy, I don't see how we are even considering Billups, that has to be a joke

I heard on Mike & Mike this morning (interviewing Brian Windhorst) and he said Griffin wanted nothing to do with making the JR Smith deal but Lebron said to "trust him" that he'd get JR's mind right (which was the prevailing issue with Griffin).

That's at least one trade he didn't want to do if you believe Windhorst.

I wouldn't fault someone for not wanting to get JR, back then.

The problem with JR in NY (imo) was that he was the 2nd option. If Melo wasn't feeling it, it fell on him to score.

Coming here, becoming the 4th or 5th option. Is so much better for him mentally.

You could see it in the 2015 finals. It was just him and LeBron, and LeBron ran out of gas. So Jr went into NY mode.

What's this crap that other teams asked to talk to Griffin, which was denied by Gilbert, and then as soon as they hire someone else Griffin is gone?

Why am I getting notifications from ESPN even talking about the idea of trading LeBron.

WHAT IS GOING ON.

It's stupid-season for the NBA. People make up ridiculous crap, people in the media pick it up, regurgitate it, and then suddenly it's a story. People want people to shuffle around, they want the big-market teams to get big names and they want web-clicks. So, it's tabloid journalism at it's finest.

Take "Lebron wants to go to the Lakers" rumor. I believe someone on Reddit said that Lebron has his kids enrolled in a Brentwood (LA) school system for next year. People around the internet started mentioning it, and eventually some hack in the media picked up on it and reported it as a possibility. Bigger names like Bill Simmons report it without bothering to follow up on the actual facts, because you know ... some other hack reporter said it. And suddenly it's a full blown rumor because "Lebron goes to Lakers" is about as click-baity as you can get. Who cares if it makes no sense from a logical standpoint ... like Lebron wants to ditch a market where he's loved to go to a market where he's hated, to play with a bunch of rookie-esque players under the shadows of Shaq, Kobe and Kareem's retired jerseys, and get eliminated from the playoffs by Golden State much earlier than he would in the East. Makes total sense! Wait, we can get web-clicks? Run the story!

If you want to look like a joke or a clown, send your emails in blue comic sans font...

Aron Baynes, Detroit's backup center is almost certainly going to become available.

I'll leave it to Excel and guys like him to see if we can somehow afford him, but I think he would be an excellent acquisition.

Strong post dude. Nice touch. Very good rim protector. Good rebounder.