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The Dems need to learn that congressional and senate elections aren't about Trump. They're about the GOP agenda. These voters believe in the principals of the GOP.

They realize that bills are formed and passed through the congress and the senate. Now in close districts, and I don't mean close in the presidential race, you may have enough swing voters to sway these elections. But in a district where congressional and senate races were heavily Republican, you're not going to change the mind of voters to go in the direction of the Democrats.

That goes against the principals they believe in .

I just saw an interview with a democratic rep from Illinois .. .Cherry or Cheryl Bustos ... shes someone i respect out of the gate ... heres why ..

She put into perspective last nights loss w/o bashing or destroying anyone ... she said Trump won her district last year and she won by 20% and all the loss meant last night is they lost last night ... its not really a sign of things to come ...

Asked what her message is ... she said ..

We have supermarket saturdays where she goes to the market to talk to people ... she says they tell US to focus on jobs and the economy and that she gets hardly any talk about the Russians or impeachment ... she said thats what she focuses on and that folks don't really care about the sideshows ...

I'll start to follow her now ... she talked the talk today thats the talk i would like to hear .. lets see what else i can learn about her ...

I don't believe Russia trying to undermine our election process is a sideshow. The rest of it may or may not turn out to be. I have no idea about that.

The Democrat I admire most is Jim Webb. Of course most of the mainstream liberals wouldn't even consider him a Democrat! lmao He's the last of a dying breed. Something known as a Blue Dog Democrat. I lot like JFK. I honestly believe that if JFK tried to run for office as a Democrat today he wouldn't stand a chance. And that's a very sad thing to me.

I don't have a lot of love for many of the ideas or politicians on the left. I believe that both parties have abandoned the principals they were built on and have very little interest in the American people as a hole.

Well it turns out to be much to do about nothing. The politician that won here, best represents the district. Not surprised.

It's just funny because years ago, anytime the democrats lost, they always blamed it on the fact that Republicans had rich white donors who gave them a lot more money... that was their go-to excuse.

Now that excuse is gone so they have moved on to, "Everybody who votes against us is a racist/bigot"....

They just can't come to grips with the fact that there are other ideas and sets of beliefs in the marketplace that don't align with what democrats want to do and how they want to do it.

The one headline I saw said "Handel beats Jon Ossoff".. and my first thought was, who is Jon Oss?

So it isn't about Handel at all? It's all about lynching the carpetbagger and anyone else who throws their hat into the political foray from the left.

One.. my comment is actually a joke if you read it carefully.

Two.. using the word "lynching" is inciteful and downright idiotic... though not unexpected. The left has no problem throwing words in that are hatefilled and exaggerated, it's become pretty normal as a way to pray on people's emotions. My personal favorite is ranking democrats (Hillary, Obama, Holder, and their mindless legions) calling their opposition to Trump "The resistance".... harkening folks back to "Vive la resistance" as France fought against the Nazis... Because, y'know, anybody who votes against the democrats must be a Nazi/racist/bigot.... #tolerance #nojudgement

It's nice how one sided your comments are. It's wonderful to know the right would never stoop to such a level. lol

Yes, you were right. I will give you credit where credit is due.

It's nice how you call yourself a moderate/former conservative but spend 99% of your time calling out the right and never calling out the left for lack of objectivity...

That seems like an odd comment. I believe both sides are equally as guilty of being hypocrites. I pointed out how both candidates were terrible. Neither side is objective. I've pointed out how the the climate of politics is toxic.

Now do I lean left on social issues? Yes for the most part I do. We all have our reasoning for why we believe what we believe. Here's mine.

Matt. 25:40

Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

I don't believe I've ever called myself a former conservative. I do call myself a moderate because I lean left on some things and right on other things.

I have called out the left. I have called out the right.

I don't believe that trying to help those who have the least in our society should be a right or left issue. But it is.

In my beliefs, compassion for those who have less than myself is a Christian issue, not a political one.

So was mine.

Had a sermon on that verse just this past Sunday... it's part of my beliefs too... but then so is...

2 Thessalonians 3:10

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Austin 3:16

Says I just whipped your ass

I'm not discounting that scripture. I guess that would have to consider that we would have to judge who it is that is willing and who it is that is not.

Then there is that large part of our society that is working but still qualify for food stamps, health care and other benefits because even though they're willing to work, those in power won't pay enough for them to live.

In a lot of cases it becomes a conundrum. I have to wonder who it is you feel should be in charge of judging who is worthy of help and who isn't? I surely don't know.

I'm surprised that you're surprised. It's not about Americans with 40. It's only us verses them. He doesn't care about his fellow Americans or there being any unity among our citizens.

Since he never served in the military, he's finally found his war. He's a soldja!

-PitDawg



Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness.

Certainly not me. That passage was written to a relatively small group of people.. the smaller the group, the easier it is to know who is pulling their weight and who isn't.. in a country of 350 million people, it's literally impossible to know.

What I do feel comfortable saying is that continuing to expand social programs is not incentivizing work.

And I agree with you on wages.. I have stated before, if the government ever makes a big move on minimum wage, the big corporations will have nobody to blame but themselves.

Says the man who posts total BS 90% of the time. lmao

I love what actual discussion can accomplish. We disagree about a lot of things. But when it comes right down to it, when we discuss things we often find we're not as far apart about some things as it first appears.

As far as expanding social programs I tend to agree with you. Yet at the same time I don't feel the gutting of social programs is a humane way to address our social ills.

Yep, novel concept huh?


In a perfect world, those who are productively working full-time and/or genuinely actively looking for work would have their needs met.. those able-bodied folks not looking for work would get nothing..

I know this is not a perfect system because those not looking who would get nothing are much more likely to turn to crime to meet their needs rather than use it as incentive to get a job...

And while I know this goes against the liberal grain, lol, I believe that has a alot to do with why there is a continuing increase in social programs.

I believe that on some level these programs are expanded to pacify the poor into not having an all out social war. As long as the poor aren't starved out, I believe our political system feels it will act to help prevent an outright war in our streets.

I'm not so sure they're wrong about that.

#TrueColors

Yep!

I'm pretty sure you are 100% right. What's the old saying, "Well fed people don't rebel"?...

This was a good win for the GOP. They held onto a seat from a Trump appointee and can feel good about Trump's leadership even in areas where he is not as popular.

This was a MUCH better loss for the Dems than a win for the GOP IMHO. This loss forces the establishment dems to rethink their stupid continuation of running on the anti-Trump platform and actually start putting forth solid policy.

Losing also tells the DNC they better get to work NOW for 2018 and that they need solid candidates with a more populist/popular platform. Bernie Sanders isn't the most popular politician in the country because he has cool hair, people actually like that he stands for something, has integrity and seems honest to a fault rather they agree 100% or not with his views on policy.

Progressives and the Bernie movement are the biggest winners of the night. Neocon establishment Dems are now on the ropes and running out of excuses to cling to their views. They are bleeding support like a severed artery.

The sad part is that dems will stay divided and continue to lose until they realize that people want REAL change that helps to improve their lives. That's also what put Trump in office and if he continues to fail there will be a ton of fairweather support to be had by populists on the left.

JMHO, congrats GOP.

CNBC had political experts on today and they said the Democrats have got to cut Bernie, Nancy, and Schumer loose because they will kill the Dems chances in 2018.

All the Candidates Bernie has backed have failed, including this guy in Georgia.

I will search for the article.

I've seen the argument to do that for a while now. And while Schumer and Pelosi are only liked by the hardcore establishment types, Sanders draw huge crowds and has something like a 70+ percent favorability rate.

News reports that Bernie is hurting dems, that Bernie is not even a member of the party, that they need to separate from him all seem like the establishment and corporatists trying to muddy the waters and stay in power.

The candidates Bernie backs losing has as much to do with the dem divide as it does the GOP vote. The dem divide is what needs to go away, but progressives are done following neocons so there will either be a new party or the dems will change to populists progressive control, period.

And that is not what the very rich, corporatists (including big media), neocons like the Clintons, or establishment dems currently in power want to see happen. So we'll just have to see who wins out. My money is on the progressive movement.

I agree with you that the Dems are a divided party and have no chance in the national election until they get that sorted.

But for the record, none of the tv ads were anti trump. They complained about stupid stuff "Karen Handel paid 15k for office chairs." (Who cares) "Karen Handel bought a Lexus SUV" (Is she supposed to drive a Ford Festiva?) The only real complaint they had was she voted against PP cancer screenings. They should have rode that pony harder instead of endless complaining about stupid office chairs.

https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/877337936294944769

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A zillion bucks and a perfectly smooth, ideology-less boy and the DNC couldn't beat someone who said "I'm against a livable wage." Called it

DNC needs to stop running their campaigns through Panera Breads and make it for the people.

I was referring to their congressional stance and HRC's campaign platform. But thanks for that information. I didn't know that. I saw some nastiness directed at Ossoff in some media clips of GOP ads, so I thought the dems might have got a little ugly too.

Ossoff never had one ad talking about wages.

I guess all the money in the world wont make your campaign manager smart

I think you have that backwards.

Dems acknowledge anti-Trump message falling short after Georgia loss

Democrats acknowledged Wednesday that their anti-Trump campaign message has failed to connect with voters this year in the wake of two more party losses in House special elections.

Voters "want us to focus on jobs and the economy,” Illinois Democratic Rep. Cheri Bustos told Fox News’ “Happening Now” on Wednesday. “I get almost no questions about Russia. I get no recommendations that I [should] support impeachment. … All of the other sideshows are not what people want us to focus on.”

The moment of reflection comes after Republican Karen Handel defeated Jon Ossoff in Georgia’s closely watched House runoff, despite millions in out-of-state donations pouring into his campaign amid Democratic hopes that an Ossoff win would deliver a rebuke to President Trump.

Instead, Republicans cited Handel’s win as a rebuke to Democratic “obstruction.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/...orgia-loss.html

It's too bad they can't relay that message to this board, that we don't care about your negative articles from yahoo and other liberal sources.

How else does one hammer away negatively against greatness?
Fake News, lies, accusation without proof, and focusing on the negative, that's how.

Is the Democrats' brand 'worse than Trump'? Some party officials admit it is

Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticut, made some candid comments that caught my eye yesterday.

When he’s back home, Murphy said, he sometimes chats people up on a commuter bus, and “they are never talking about issues like Russia. They are not talking, frankly, what’s on cable news at night.”

And then, in the “Morning Joe” interview, he took a whack at his own party: “The fact that we have spent so much time talking about Russia has been a distraction from what should be the clear contrast between Democrats and the Trump agenda, which is on economics.”

Bingo. Running mainly against Donald Trump didn’t work for the Dems in 2016, and it’s not working now.

The news peg for these recriminations, of course, is the Democrats losing Tuesday’s special election for a House seat in Georgia. I never spent much time on that race because I never believed that Jon Ossoff, despite raising $25 million, was going to win in a heavily Republican district that he didn’t even live in.

But since the media collectively declared it a referendum on Trump—and would have gone haywire if Ossoff had won—there is a reckoning about what the Democratic Party stands for.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/...dmit-it-is.html

NANCY ON THE ROPES?
Democrats' losing streak prompts
calls for Pelosi's ouster

Pelosi's party begins to turn on her after defeats, stagnation

Democrat Jon Ossoff finished behind Republican Karen Handel in Georgia’s special House election on Tuesday night, but the real loser could turn out to be House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.

While Pelosi is in no immediate danger of losing her House perch, she’s increasingly becoming the face of a period of Democratic stagnation that’s seen a once-mighty majority systematically deteriorate during her tenure.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of Calif., joined at right by Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, speaks during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2017, calling for an investigation into President Donald Trump's relationship with Russia, including when Trump learned that his national security adviser, Michael Flynn, had discussed U.S. sanctions with a Russian diplomat. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)Expand / Collapse
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi speaks during a press conference. (AP)
“I think you’d have to be an idiot to think we could win the House with Pelosi at the top,” Rep. Filemon Vela, D-Tex., bluntly told Politico. “Nancy Pelosi is not the only reason that Ossoff lost, but she certainly is one of the reasons.”

As Speaker of the House in 2009, Pelosi presided over a 255-seat majority which was wiped out by the next election, when Democrats fell to 193 seats. In three election cycles since then, Pelosi’s party has netted a single House seat.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/...stagnation.html

So anti Trump = Bad.

Anti Dem = good.

lmao

Slowly, dems are starting to open their eyes.