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Houston was ranked first in defense last year and should be even better this year if Watt comes back.

They did lose some people in the backend, and I think the offenses in their division should be improved. I don't expect them to drop off the map, but I'm not sure they'll rank at the top again this season. Then again, I'm not sure if their offense will be as bad. I don't know how it will all come together. Isn't Vrabel taking over as DC, too?

I don't know. I was just responding to the question about why one poster thought we would lose to Houston. I don't think it's a reach to say that Houston will probably be favored in that game.

A lot can happen between now and mid-October, but at this point I agree with you.

I believe that our personnel has improved. I still don't see a QB in sight, our WR's suck and the secondary has more questions than answers. I just don't see the improvement showing up much in the W/L column.

16-0 Don't question it....just go with it

I agree with you on the position stuff ...

Question is ...

Can our qb play be any worse than it was last year? ... what was the most games in a row any of them started? ...

Our wr's sucked last year also ... can they be any worse? ...

Its also the 2nd year in Hues O for most of the O ... that cant help but improve us ... the OL is improved also ...

Our db's look like crap ... but u cant tell me that peppers wont be an upgrade ... even if he's below average that would be an upgrade ...

So while i agree that everything u say is true ... compared to last year there no worse and should be better if only slightly ... plus our front 7 on D have also improved ...

The Browns won one game last year. They could win three this year and it would be an improvement. But, it still sucks.

The QB position cold be worse this year. I didn't like RGIII, but he did challenge the defenses and that did open up the running game.

The QB position could be better this year, as well. If Brock or Kizer win the job, we should be able to challenge defenses both vertically and horizontally. That will help our running game, too.

The WR unit was pretty bad last year, but we lost our number one WR and our number 2 or 3 receiver. We replaced them w/Britt, who I don't think is as good as Pryor.

The secondary sucks. We might be better at safety, but our corners are the same guys. They are slow and can't cover their own shadow.

The TE's have potential, but potential is just a word for "you haven't done anything yet." Barndige isn't great, but he was dependable and has been fairly productive. They really didn't throw to him much last year.

I think the team will be better, but I still think this is a 3-5 win team w/a lot of holes.

I'm "ok" with a 5-6 win season.

Except, if it's one of those 5-6 win season where we are like 4-6 and then lose 6 in a row to end the season. I hate that crap.

You wanna sprinkle 5-6 wins through the year? Sure.

Or heck, I'd rather start out 1-10, and then win 5 in a row.

You're still 6-10. But going forward. Into next season. The outlook, the attitudes, it's so much better.

I've never fully agreed with "you are what your record says you are" because that again speaks to one season in a vacuum.

If one team starts out 8-0 and finishes 8-8, and the other starts out 0-8, and also finishes 8-8. How can you say they are the same thing? Which would you rather be?

While I don't foresee a 1-10 start, I do expect us to start off slow and improve noticeably as the season progresses...

I agree ... even if we get to 6 like i believe we have a shot to do with some breaks we still would not be a good football team yet ... it would have to do with the "parity" in the nfl and the fact we improved ...

I will say if we win less than 4 i will personally be dissapointed ... but no biggie .. this year isn't about W's and L's for me .. its about seeing progression with the team, 2nd year guys and see how the rooks look ... last year none of the rooks really excited me .. this year i really want to see Garret, Peppers and the raw ass TE ..

If the team plays better .. the 2nd year guys improve and the rooks look good .. I'll be THRILLED weather we win 3 or 5 ...



In the 3 or 4 games he played? .. and his play certainly didn't impress one little iota .. he actually had 2 of the worst games we had a from a QB last year ...

Not sure i agree with that statement ... on paper i agree .. based off what i witnessed last year ... naaaa ... can't get on board with the statement he opened up the running game cause of his deep passing threat ..



Appearantly u believe u saw a finished product with CK last year .. based off your posts u think he won't improve at all throwing the ball from the 15 - 40 yard ranges .. u may be right .. but i will wait to see how he does in sept/oct ... he wil never be a legite NFL starter .. but he will be better than last year .. will get into why in my CK thread ... witch is coming up soon ..

No need to talk about BO cause we will never see eye to eye on him ...

Kizer is not ready ... we will see when the real bullets start flying ... my guess is at some point we see all our QBs just based on recent history ...



I'm not a Kenny britt fan at all .. not even a little bit .. although my ram fan bud says he was a different guy last year .. very mature and a team leader ... on a team a lot like ours .. very very young ..

Who was our # 2 or 3 reciever ... Hawk? .. we will miss him .. and Pryor .. but its not like either of them were studs .. Pryor does a lot of good things .. but he still has a ton to learn .. I'm counting on one of the 2nd year guys stepping up .. very intrigued by Higgins especially ... and Coleman will be in his 2nd year .. lets see if he can stay healthy and show moe than a few flashes ...

This unit could do worse .. not so sure of that as the bar just isn't set that high ...



I agree .. they ... well can't wait to see Booty .. i believe hes a second year guy in the nfl ... hopefully we'll see some improvement from him .. but i agree ... our secondary is poor at best .. i believe with Williams and an improved front 7 it has to help the secondary ...

They still suck but the bar isn't that high ...



Once again i agree ... and once again the bar just isn't that high ... Barnidge was a ghost last year ... he didn't do much if anything at all .. he still hasn't signed ... theres a reason for that ...

I'm curious to see what deValve can do ,. He's a much better athelete than Barnidge was .. if he can catch he will be more of a threat while we lose some in blocking ... the rook i believe will be a development year for him .. hes very green ... hopefully he can catch ... i expect to see flashes from him ...



Once again i agree ... I think 4 is a good number .... and even if we get to 6 ... we will still have a lot of holes ...

And this isn't based just off our improvement .. its based off the fact the nfl has lots of teams with lots of holes and this year we play a few teams with more holes than us .... i like what Mourg said .. this year on paper our schedule is a lot easier than next years (but that will change after another off season ... i think our division SUCKS NOW ... ) ...

INJURIES as usual will play a huge factor .. look at the Lions .. there all ready in a world of hurt .. they lost there LT all ready .. thats HUGE for them ... could u imagine if we lost JT in training camp or early in the season .. that would be DEVASTING to us .. and the Lions may be the most one dimensional team in the nfl ... there running game is worse than our passing game was last year ... *LOL* ..

I don't know. I can see our D kicking Bens butt back to Pittsburgh in the opener.

I agree. I might be wrong, but I think Hue will have these guys pumped a least the first few games. I think we will surprise some.

If we are equating improvements with wins/losses, then i won't consider this team improved until we can at least hit 0.500.

1 win, 2 win, 3 win, 4 win, 5 win still means a crappy season.

They have so many weapons on offense and they have an amazing defense and oh yeah, JJ Watt is coming back. They are probably the favorite to win their division.

Absolutely! And also growth of the coaching staff...

When you look at our roster, the majority of it will be rookies and second year players. I'm really not debating your theory that "six wins are possible". My main point of contention is that our best WR last year was Pryor. We really don't have that kind of athlete at the WR position this year. So yes, I don't think that Britt=Pryor. So I believe the WR position has been downgraded.

Three wins is three times better than last year. I just don't see fielding a team this young and it amount to a lot of wins. I certainly hope I'm wrong. My fear is that if I'm right Haslam may pull the plug on Hue. That's one thing I certainly don't want to see.

I believe there is a very good possibility that we have the right people in place to build something special here. I won't state that as a fact but I'm much more positive at this point this year, than I was last year.

I'll feel more confident in terms of wins when a lot of our roster has a little more experience under their belts. When the bulk of our roster is made up of rookies and second year players, I feel they're still a little green around the gills.

5-11.

Wk 1 - Sep. 10 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -L

Wk 2 - Sep. 17 at Baltimore Ravens 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -W

Wk 3 - Sep. 24 at Indianapolis Colts 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -L

Wk 4 - Oct. 1 vs. Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -L

Wk 5 - Oct. 8 vs. New York Jets 1:00 p.m. (FOX) -W

Wk 6 - Oct. 15 at Houston Texans 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -W

Wk 7 - Oct. 22 vs. Tennessee Titans 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -L

Wk 8 - Oct. 29 Minnesota Vikings (London) 9:30 a.m. (NFL Network) -L

Wk 9 - Nov. 5 BYE-

Wk 10 - Nov. 12 at Detroit Lions 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -L

Wk 11 - Nov. 19 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -W

Wk 12 - Nov. 26 at Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -L

Wk 13 - Dec. 3 at Los Angeles Chargers 4:05 p.m. (CBS) -L

Wk 14 - Dec. 10 vs. Green Bay Packers 1:00 p.m. (FOX) -L

Wk 15 - Dec. 17 vs. Baltimore Ravens 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -L

Wk 16 - Dec. 24 at Chicago Bears 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -W

Wk 17 - Dec. 31 at Pittsburgh Steelers 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -L

Four wins at best.

to me, it's how we look (especially last year's rookie class and the OL additions). we should look more competitive this season, at least showing signs of improvement. We will probably get our QB in the 2018 draft, so I want to feel confident that he will put us over the top.

You never know. Maybe we got or qb this year.

With 5 picks in the first two rounds. And still more money available for a few FAs.

We might actually be able to build that team you can "drop" a QB into that we've been talking about for 15 years..

Here's my fear: that Kizer shows "just enough" to get us 6 wins and not draft a QB ... but doesn't end up being a franchise caliber guy.

If Kizer wins 6 games this year as a rookie.

Then IMO he can be a "franchise guy" when more talent is added around him.

At minimum in the vein of a Dalton/Tannehill type.

And I think you can win a SB with that level of QB. (See: Joe Flacco)

Wins against the Titans, Jags, and Jets, and at 1-2 within the division; so 4-5 wins in a developmental year for this new defense and young signal callers.

see: Trent Dilfer lol

Kizer or Brock will be our day 1 starter, IMO .

I have no idea... no one does.

After 1-15, 6 wins would be a good year, with a little luck and some player development anything more would set the fans on fire.

Fair article on the Browns:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/2017-nfl-preview-one-move-shows-browns-finally-get-152437150.html

9-7 is my guess =) I think our WR will surprise folks by the big jump in their game. We have one of the best WR coaches in the entire league coaching them up. I think with an entire offseason and a year of experience under their belt they will be hungry to prove themselves.

nice article thanks for posting.

I like the direction we are taking.

"One move shows Browns might actually get it"

He never even said what the "one move" was..

The gist is that the one move was not panicking and giving up too much for a QB.

Mentioned not trading the future for Jimmy G (assuming there was an actual price for him); not passing on Garrett to take a QB #1; being on the right side of the Deshaun Watson trade.

I thought he meant that we took Garrett instead of reaching for a qb.

Exactly. We didn't pancic and sell the ranch for a QB.

It's far to early to say that letting the draft come to us paid dividends, but all the reports seem to indicate that Kiser might be a pretty darn good QB. I am excited about that.Just imagine if he does look good and can be a tio 1/3 QB and not having to give up picks next year for a QB.

How good can it be if we can use two 1st rounders and three 2nd rounds on positions not named QB?

It could be very good! Now I will temper that to say there would be a good possibility we trade back to gain picks the following year. It's pretty clear to me that we plan on banking higher picks for as long as we can. With what we now have, there is no reason to think we can't be banking picks for at least 3-4 more years before we start running out of trade bait but then, if that's our game, we might be doing it for a long time. At some point we won't need, or realistically be able to draft 11 players a draft. As soon as this year we will probably see some of the players drafted this year and last year cut.

Didn't we trade up three times and back just once in this particular draft?

Might be. That's what you can do when you have a bank full of picks. We might do that next year as well. I still think the odds are good we will add to the 20 draft.

How that works out using trade up's and trade backs will play out.

Given I have a few minutes respite from work, I wanna play.


Wk 1 - Sep. 10 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers 1:00 p.m. (CBS) WIN

Call me crazy. I just have a weird feeling we break the opening day jinx this year.

Wk 2 - Sep. 17 at Baltimore Ravens 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -LOSS

Come out flat after our upset win on the first away game.

Wk 3 - Sep. 24 at Indianapolis Colts 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -LOSS

Andrew Luck is healthy again and our secondary hasn't gelled yet.

Wk 4 - Oct. 1 vs. Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 p.m. (CBS) LOSS

No reason- just a hunch

Wk 5 - Oct. 8 vs. New York Jets 1:00 p.m. (FOX) -WIN

We win the game, lose the Darnold Bowl

Wk 6 - Oct. 15 at Houston Texans 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -WIN

Texans come crashing back down this year I think.

Wk 7 - Oct. 22 vs. Tennessee Titans 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -WIN

Once again...hunch

Wk 8 - Oct. 29 Minnesota Vikings (London) 9:30 a.m. (NFL Network) -LOSS

We're not good at away games...much less out of continent games.

Wk 9 - Nov. 5 BYE- TIE YAAAAAAAAAAAAY

Wk 10 - Nov. 12 at Detroit Lions 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -WIN

Dodgey tackle situation versus Myles Garrett...we sack Stafford relentlessly

Wk 11 - Nov. 19 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -WIN

Jaguars and Bortles continue to suck.

Wk 12 - Nov. 26 at Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -WIN

Everyone's starting to play better and I don't think the Bengals are good enough to win both against us this year.

Wk 13 - Dec. 3 at Los Angeles Chargers 4:05 p.m. (CBS) -LOSS

Rivers takes their loss to us personally and gets revenge

Wk 14 - Dec. 10 vs. Green Bay Packers 1:00 p.m. (FOX) -LOSS

Browns against a Packers team that's likely in the heat of playoff contention. Yeah...we're killed.

Wk 15 - Dec. 17 vs. Baltimore Ravens 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -WIN

Same as with the Bengals, I don't think they're good enough to win both

Wk 16 - Dec. 24 at Chicago Bears 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -WIN

I think we're ACTUALLY better on paper than them

Wk 17 - Dec. 31 at Pittsburgh Steelers 1:00 p.m. (CBS) -LOSS

Steelers already have the North taken and play their backups but somehow we lose.

OK...I didn't think this going in but going game by game, I have 9-7.

Rationally, we're hard pressed to make that much of an improvement so I'll say we manage to screw up two of our wins predicted and we run 7-9.

No my friend, I come over here and read you guys all the time.
A lot of smart football people here! Good reads!

I predict with you every year and this year I say 8 and 8 and I think it all depends on if our Defense can keep us in games.

See you next year bud.

I usually say a NFL team has a window that gives their ceiling and floor. For instance the Patriots would have a 11-5/15-1 window, and I would put them as the odds on favorite to repeat as champions.

There is just so many unknown factors that go into a final win/loss record such as injuries (your team and your collective opponents), player development, etc.

With that said I would put the Browns as a 3-13/7-9 ceiling/floor window, and the most likely result as 5-11